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4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever
    #413228 - 10/04/01 03:25 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ive read a few posts, and its not hte first tiem, but its really awakened me. The end is near, or if its isnt somehow we will end up in the spirit world. Alot of my bad thoughts here are form a bad trip, i hate to be mean and stuff but these ar htte htigns i worry about. What will happen once we get there, eternity is a long time for me. The only thing keeping me sane here is other people. Will we be of a whole, or as unique as you and me are today? i like other beings. I like communicating. I am scared, scared of what may come, i want o prepare for hte spirit world but i cant NOT be scared. Once we get there, will it be betteR? will we know our reasons or accept them, or will it be crazy. Will be be comforted with it all, or what? I just worry cause i had a trip where i felt like everythign came together, like expanding infinatley, in a tree branching out againg and again, except the other way and in the end it came down to 1 thing, this htings made complete sense but none at all. It was it, it didnt need to make sense. That hting scared me, it represented my insanity. Nothingness. Or maybe did i take it wrong, was i unprepared? i dont know, but =[ i need answers.

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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: tak]
    #413615 - 10/04/01 01:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Prepare by learning about yourself. Astral projection, meditation and other new age spiritual nik-naks. Do not be scared, the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

Communication will still occur, do bees natter to each other on mobile phones? no. Bees still cooperate for a greater goal and live in harmony, maybe a higher language which lacks the niave dualisms, will negate the need for irrelevant concepts such as good and evil, so you will have nothing to be afraid of.

Will it be better? no, it will be different.

It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for someone you are not.


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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: tak]
    #413653 - 10/04/01 02:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

eternity has nothing to do with time
it is scary, sometimes it seems as if though every fiber of my being fights against it
but it's closer to home than anything. its knowledge is all that is sacred. the spiritual path has truly become an act of war against my ego-centered mind.
perhaps, if you will, read Castaneda's _Active Side of Infinity_. try and step away from all these "metaphysical" thoughts, they have nothing to do with Reality. they do not help us here, it's all a bunch of cheeky, cheery b.s. that hinders us on our path. it pacifies the real need.
take up practices - notice how little their focus is on explaining reality - explainations seem to sprout out of the work done. do it.
the notion of orthodox christian everlastingness is an entirely different concept than eternity. eternity is non-conceptual, actually, where as everlastingness is a line ->, 10 billion ^2 is no closer to eternity than 1.
take a break from the drugs... take a break from thinking about all these crazy ideas that float around here. do some research and pick up a practice of some sort.
if you're not going to do the work yourself, maybe go see a therapist?
i dunno what else to suggest - your thoughts seem pretty scattered and far out.
find some ways to enjoy yourself if it means abandoning all of this.
be well.
peace
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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #413659 - 10/04/01 02:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Once a King asked his favourite sage to make him a thing which would cheer him up if he was feeling down, and sadden him if his was happy. The sage has made him a ring on which the following words were written: "This, too, will pass".

So, if you'd like, be afraid, be scared, be scattered, ask and be disappointed, think about eternity, think about 4th dimention, or if you'd like, go to a therapist, or start meditating, or simply watch TV, because any of those useless things, too, will pass...

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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: gribochek]
    #413713 - 10/04/01 03:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

mountain
no mountain
mountain
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not twice
this day
inch time
foot gem
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ummm, if ya wanna hit the nominal 3-score-&-10, yr gonna hafta pace yrself like a fine racehorse... 'cause ya don't hafta do it all (or even know it all) right this moment... (and of course, "this moment" is, in the final analysis, all that there is... for whatever that is worth...)
in tradional hindu society, one did not become sanyassin until finished with the householder trip... in jewish kabbalistic tradtion, one did not begin studying the tree of life until done with raising your family...
so slow down... like the lady said, "today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterdy"
and there we go
and here we are
it's always like this...

old enough to know better
not old enough to care


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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: gribochek]
    #414656 - 10/05/01 10:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

in the version i read the sages' lives were on the line to make the thing

when the mind is bound to time 'cuz the ego is anxious, things don't pass - they repeat. sensations, emotions, and thoughts oscillate like a clock's hands turn round and round. people no longer are simply acting out on all these impressions, but rather re-acting, re-membering. decentering oneself from their imprints to obtain even small tastes of unconditioned consciousness requires hard work.



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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #414660 - 10/05/01 10:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, may be, I don't remember exactly.

Oh, and now I stand corrected,

... or meditate and put great effort into trying to achieve freedom and enlightenment, or stop eating meat or become a hermit and eat only grass meditating 23 hours a day for 40 years.... because these great and useful things, too, will pass.

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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: tak]
    #416226 - 10/07/01 01:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

hey rntak
i kinda wonder if your fears are a result of some of your tripping experiences...getting lost in mindmazes of fucked up thoughts....experiencing personal hells. do you fear you will end up in these spaces after you depart the meat?
hehe i know i did.
as far as i can work it out, dont stress it, you dont have to push...you are being guided.
you will get your answers when you are ready
for now, dont decide things about your experiences as for certain. in your post you had a beautiful cosmic vision and decided that it represented your insanity...
ive seen similar things whilst tripping and viewed them as lessons in the mechanics of the universe, a gift from my teachers, but im not 100% certain, i retain a measure of doubt.
judging by the visions you have had you have definitely awakened the kundalini...you took some strong shit, didnt you.
when the kundalini rises in someone who is unprepared, the person often feels they are losing their grip on reality and in some respects, indeed they are.
most modern doctors and psychologists are a little lost with this subject. to understand what is happening to you, i recomend you educate yourself, read.
get books on kundalini, tarot, check out the local theosophical society library, they usually allow access for non-members.
a good book with some chapters describing situations like yours is - the inner guide meditation by edwin steinbrecher.
dont forget to enjoy the journey



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Re: 4rth dimension/spirit world/the way/whatever [Re: mr crisper]
    #416408 - 10/07/01 04:28 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

wow, thanks everyone. The last post...you are kinda right i felt overwhelmed in my thoughts and kinda just stopped and asked myself WHAT nothing made sense. as far as cosmic or whatever goes, that was some fucked up shit, i was in my own world, my own time, my own everything, i felt alone, i felt scared, my hell. I took E + 2ct7 + nitrous hit

im ognan read some books, i appreciate it thanks =]

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