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Psychoactive1984
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It's the only reason why I'm going, and because I don't want to hold down a bullshit service job while going to school.
Customer-Service/Hospitality is the dominant type of work over here... both of which I can do fine, but I detest kissing peoples ass and stringing them along for a sale.
Killing two birds with one stone. Getting real world training, + taking care of my education.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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thegatewaydrug
my burning sunwill some dayrise

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im with u there
-------------------- May God have mercy upon my enemies, because i won't. General George S. Patton
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Psychoactive1984
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-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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thegatewaydrug
my burning sunwill some dayrise

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interesting link
-------------------- May God have mercy upon my enemies, because i won't. General George S. Patton
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Psychoactive1984
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Best to know what you're getting yourself into before getting into it.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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thegatewaydrug
my burning sunwill some dayrise

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yea, thanks this is alot of good info
-------------------- May God have mercy upon my enemies, because i won't. General George S. Patton
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batou
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Registered: 05/06/00
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a recruter just got busted here in CO. he helped a HS student get a forged diploma and how to beat a drug test. the student taped it all. the media here had a field day and then later some retard did a midnight driveby and took pot shots at the local recruitment center. i laughed my ass off! especially at the guy's S.O. getting all pissed off and denying the fact that the army does what ever it can to get another meat puppet.
ALL RECRUITERS LIE!!! DO NOT LISTEN!!
-------------------- The multiple troubles of man, My brother, like slander and pain Amaze you? Consider the heart That holds them all in strangeness And doesn't break. "The Dude abides..."--jeffrey lebowski
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Psychoactive1984
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Re: The Army [Re: batou]
#4126385 - 05/03/05 01:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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As long as you see through the lies.... that's the importance. I have had 2 recruiters so far, I pretty much told them they don't need to string me along and feed me bullshit. It's working out fine.
Blunt Honesty is k3y for both parties. Make your stance clear, and they'll make theirs clear... if not learn about body language and physiological responses... its easy to discern a lie from a truth .
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
Edited by Psychoactive1984 (05/03/05 01:37 AM)
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lonebuddha
whats it allabout?
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I was in the the army for three years. There were fun times and not so fun time. Now that I did it I wouldn't change the experiences for anything. Right now this is my second semester of school. I haven't had to work since I was in the military. They give me enough money for college and living. I get to do this for three more years.
You can choose your job. The better you score on the asvab, the more opportunities you get. Just remember that some jobs aren't exactly what the sound like. I was a Combat Engineer which I thought was engineering. What this job is, set up obstacles for the enemy including minefields, and breaching enemy obstacles. What I did in Iraq was mostly destroying Iraqi ammunition or moving it to a guarded place. So just because you have a certain job doesn't mean you won't do other stuff. During my military time I did the work of janitors, police, infantry, mechanic, grounds keeper, cook's assistance, medic, and other things I can't think of right now
About the 20,000 dollar bonus, ask for what job and for how long. There are some jobs that have lots of people in it so they won't offer a bonus. That kind of bonus sounds like its for a job they need people in and for at least 5 years. After basic you must turn in a bunch of paper work to apply for your bonus. It will be taxed at around 35% maybe more. This may have changed but if I remember correctly, if its over 5,000 dollars, you'll get half of it after your paper work for your bonus goes through (it will take a while) and the rest will be given to you over time. If you receive a dishonorable discharge, you will have to pay your bonus back if I not mistaking.
If you want to go in as a higher rank, there are some physical training requirements that you can meet to be given a a rank of e-2 (more money). If you get a couple of people to sign-up, you can even be given the rank of e-3 before even stepping into boot camp.
As for becoming a different person, that difficult to say. I do believe I became more emotionally detached. The military can change some people into uncaring rude egotistical people. The military is people giving other people orders. Yelling and demeaning others is sometimes very common. Some people take this to heart I feel. They let this become part of their ego. I had the greatest appreciation of life after coming home from Iraq and finally when leaving the military. It really put things into perspective. You will in a sense prostitute yourself for the army. I looked at it a give and receive situation and to me it was very well worth it.
While in the military you will get tons of benefits that you should take advantage of like free dentistry, free schooling, workforce programs, and on-post facilities. Also all pay grades receive a raise every January to combat inflation. I think it around 4% but I not sure.
I hope my post was informative. Good luck in any decision you make and feel free to pm me if want to know anything specific.
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fearfect
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sign on and get the signing bonus. my friend got out of the army after a couple months with a script for klonopin. they thought he was crazy. he got to keep the few grand he got.
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nonoman
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Quote:
Psychoactive1984 said:

I fully agree with you 1-6.
1) I figure though, that I'll play around with the rules, and I'll use the rules to my benefit. I can be very cunning with rules, and pretty much if I don't like it, I'll raise some hell, tell em to eat me and get away with it by using rules. I don't think I'll have to do that though.
3) Talk to a recruiter, just because you're in the army doesn't mean your cannon fodder, your job determines a lot about your deployment, that + your intelligence. Your AQFT (might be a different acronym) score from the Asvab determines your eligibility, the higher the score, the more jobs available to you. For instance I can pretty much decide what port I want to go to provided my grades in the program are at the top of the class.... I can already gurantee they will be so... not an issue.
5) Same, I ain't going to blend for shit beyond what I have to.
6) I hate this war... I'm very against it, not as to the nature of it, like the killing and all that shit, although that's bad, but it is life... but the bunk bullshit premise of it. I figure it'd be better to have those that have common sense doing shit, rather then the shitheads that are always fucking up and abusing people...
Listen to Randall. You're in for a huge wakeup call. You don't realize the lies you've already bought.
You will be government PROPERTY. You can go out in San Diego or wherever, get a severe sunburn that prevents you from duty, and get an article 13 for destruction of government property.
This comes from one who has been there.
Enjoy....
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RandalFlagg
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Re: The Army [Re: nonoman]
#4127903 - 05/03/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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nonoman said: Listen to Randall. You're in for a huge wakeup call. You don't realize the lies you've already bought.
Huh? I haven't bought any lies. I explicitly said that I like my freedom (and that is one big reason why I don't think I could hack it in the military). I know recruiters will cajole and lie to get you to sign up. I know that you will quite probably have to deal with asshole superiors.
I know all of this stuff.
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