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Too soon to case my spawned horse manure?
    #4125141 - 05/02/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've got 2 containers of horse manure spawned with EQ. Container 1 is about 90% done, while container 2 is about 70% done. The problem is that the entire top and sides are completely colonized. The bottom is slacking however.

My question is whether or not I'll be okay to start casing now? Is it imperative that I wait until the entire container is colonized?

I'm getting a little anxious on these and I'd like to case ASAP. What will happen if I case now and ignore the bottom of the container? The colonized substrate depth is still 3-4 inches, so shouldn't it still fruit nicely?

Here are the photos of the 2 containers and their progress from the side and the bottom. Notice how the second container's bottom is seriously slacking.

Container 1 side view:

Container 1 bottom view


Container 2 side view

Container 2 bottom view


I'm sorry for the multitude of questions. This is my first crack at bulk and I really want this one to succeed. Those B+ shrooms from my casing sucked ass. I want to trip balls, not have some weak body high.

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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4125171 - 05/02/05 10:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Is it imperative that I wait until the entire container is colonized?
yes
What will happen if I case now and ignore the bottom of the container?
u risk contamination

id say keep waiting it will be weel worth ure while.

also cover the sides of that container with duct tape or tape some tinfloil tot he sides otherwise ure gonna get pins on the side which u definately dont want. those will be a field day for other micro organisms


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4125211 - 05/02/05 10:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The containers sit in a large tub during the incubation period and are fully protected from light. I just took them out for you guys to see the progress.


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4125218 - 05/02/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

how could contams get to the bottom of the container if the top is completely colonized?


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: TODAY]
    #4125255 - 05/02/05 10:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How do contams get into PC'ed jars with vermiculite on top and tape over the holes?
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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: HippieChick]
    #4125282 - 05/02/05 10:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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How do contams get into PC'ed jars with vermiculite on top and tape over the holes?
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Easy, poor sterilization techniques and lack of a colonized substrate. It's a fair question though. How can contaminates penetrate the substrate to access the bottom layer, some 4 inches down? Just asking.  :smile:


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4125313 - 05/02/05 10:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've seen some people using dark or stainless steel containers when they spawn, so how do they know the bottom is fully colonized if they can't see it?

Anyone?


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4125334 - 05/02/05 10:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That is a good question. Mine, however, was rhetorical.
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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: HippieChick]
    #4125371 - 05/02/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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That is a good question. Mine, however, was rhetorical.
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I would hardly clasify your question as rhetorical. What you said is not dogma and does not apply in every situation. Although I do appreciate your response.

Take it easy on me now.


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4125379 - 05/02/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

A rhetorical question doen't have to be dogma, nor does it have to apply to every situation. It is simply a question that requires no answer.

Just saying... :tongue:


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: TODAY]
    #4125384 - 05/02/05 11:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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how could contams get to the bottom of the container if the top is completely colonized?




the same way that you get bacterial contams inside your jars...same principal.

the main problem with casing the bulk substrate before its done colonizing is that the mycelium is going to get confused.

if if the top is done...and you put a casing layer on it...it will colonize the bulk substrate a little more underneath.
so the one bulk substrate that is showing the little spot that hasn't colonized yet...might be ok to case now.

but the other bulk substrate that has the huge patch that isn't colonized yet...would be a risk...IMHO

I'd just wait it out...personally.

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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4125393 - 05/02/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Looks good. How long has it been since you've spawned?? I believe you risk contams at the 10 or 14 day mark?? Check with someone that knows more but that's about it.

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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Sammy]
    #4125467 - 05/02/05 11:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Finally, an answer to my question. Thanks Roadkill.

Sammy, I spawned those on 04/21, but made the mistake of sealing the container with foil. Roadkill set me straight and I removed the top layer of foil so only the foil with holes was on top. That was done on 04/25 and it literally started from there.

All in all, it's been growing under optimal conditions for the last 7 days. The containers are holding a lot of horse manure and the substrate is some 4 inches thick. I used 2 1/2 quart jars of colonized EQ using WBS for a total of 5 jars over 2 containers.

I'm going to Mexico for a week on the 21st of this month and would like these to be fruiting by then. I guess I'll wait and see.


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4126151 - 05/03/05 02:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I never wait until the whole thing is coloinized because i have no patience. I usually case when it's about 80% done maybe even less i had shitty results though when i was doing rubbermaids now I got a martha and im seeing lots of little ones starting so I know it was either air circulation or humidty problem. I usually find that it will all colonize by the time it starts to fruit. I would case the first one but not the seconde one (this is just me though).


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4126332 - 05/03/05 02:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

if if the top is done...and you put a casing layer on it...it will colonize the bulk substrate a little more underneath.
so the one bulk substrate that is showing the little spot that hasn't colonized yet...might be ok to case now.

but the other bulk substrate that has the huge patch that isn't colonized yet...would be a risk...IMHO
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I agree completly. The first one would probably be fine..but the second would be ready to be fruited before it was colonized...then it would switch to fruiting mode and stop colonizing leaving a bottom chunk uncolonizing (or very very slowly colonizing). That peice would be left out of the network for nutrients and it would be able to become contamed after sitting. Maybe. Maybe not. Better to just wait IMHO too.


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4126377 - 05/03/05 03:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

case it


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: down44]
    #4129155 - 05/03/05 08:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Scat or road,

I think someone asked earlier how you tell if your opaque (or close to opaque) containers are done colonizing along the bottom.

This becomes even more important when you layer the top of the sub with some spawn as a protective layer. But then it becomes really difficult to say, "okay, the top is done, the rest is probably really close." Because the top finishes so much earlier.

Just a question cause I will be switching over to 12 qt dishpans soon, and I'm sure this will come up.

Thanks
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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: mushroommark]
    #4129246 - 05/03/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Scat or road,

I think someone asked earlier how you tell if your opaque (or close to opaque) containers are done colonizing along the bottom.

This becomes even more important when you layer the top of the sub with some spawn as a protective layer. But then it becomes really difficult to say, "okay, the top is done, the rest is probably really close." Because the top finishes so much earlier.

Just a question cause I will be switching over to 12 qt dishpans soon, and I'm sure this will come up.

Thanks
Mark




That would be me. I asked that question. I assume that the people who are spawning in containers that are not clear are waiting an extra period of time once the top is fully colonized.

I will be casing my here pretty soon, but I have the advantage of seeing how much or little colonization has taken place.


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4129275 - 05/03/05 09:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Stamets says the spawn run should be 10-14 days. TennStud says 7- 10 days. I have heard other people say a week.. This is a good question.. Is there a way to tell without digging up a piece of substrate? Not likely..


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Re: Too soon to case my spawned horse manure? [Re: larryg]
    #4129426 - 05/03/05 10:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I wait 7-10 days, then case.


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