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objections to Lost in Translation
    #4120023 - 05/01/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

first off, ok, a girl as pretty as the actress who played the main girl, and a girl who is also smart like that girl, would never have married an effeminate guy like her husband in the movie in the first place.... pretty girls marry masculine men 95% of the time, ok..
unless it was just for his money...but she is portrayed as being a decent person in the film, so that conflicts with that theory...
that whole thing doesn't work for me.

i was going to list out a bunch of objections to this movie but really that's the only one i can think of. overall i thought it was a fairly believable relationship film.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120043 - 05/01/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I thought that movie sucked.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120049 - 05/01/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

let me guess you think Fight Club was awesome?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120056 - 05/01/05 06:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
pretty girls marry masculine men 95% of the time





I now disregard anything you say as ill informed bullshit from here on. This is simply not true, and ignorant.


anyway, this movie is really deep and alot of people miss some major points in it. Personally, I have never talked to anyone who has enjoyed it. I thought it was brilliant. The best parts of the movie are the most low key, like when the two of them are sitting at the bar and not saying a word, they are just tired, it really says alot, and it's incredible because it says so much without a word. It's a powerfull film.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120094 - 05/01/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

are you male or female?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120104 - 05/01/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
let me guess you think Fight Club was awesome?




Yeah, it was.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120194 - 05/01/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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you like salmon or trout?




both

I'm cooking up a salmon tonight.

fresh caught 15 lb. Silver!~

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haven't seen it...don't wanna see it.
sounds like a chic flick to me!~


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120223 - 05/01/05 06:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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let me guess you think Fight Club was awesome?



Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Not as good as say, A Clockwork Orange, or American Beauty.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Roadkill]
    #4120225 - 05/01/05 06:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it is a chick flick, but it's a smart chick flick and Bill Murray's got some funny moments


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120231 - 05/01/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A Clockwork Orange a true classic!~

The Warriors was pretty good too.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120240 - 05/01/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Why do you like A Clockwork Orange?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120265 - 05/01/05 06:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
are you male or female?




What does this matter?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120309 - 05/01/05 06:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

lost in trans was aight..

i like bill murray's quote: "the more you know who you are and what you want, the less you let things upset you"

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120313 - 05/01/05 06:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well i looked at your profile and stuff about buying ani difranco cds and so I guess you're female.
Is it offensive to say that pretty girls usually marry masculine men?
Am I stereotyping?
Am I being a sexist pig?
Tell me whatever you want to tell me or don't tell me anything if you prefer hon, it's the internet you can say what you want. I'm just being honest, in my experience, in my life, and in the lives of other people I have seen...


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120333 - 05/01/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Why do you like A Clockwork Orange?



I like the language that's used, the costumes, the environments, and how most of the scenes are really long, without any cutting done, which shows that it took great acting... getting it all down in one long take. I also like how many of the scenes are shocking, especially for it's time.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120360 - 05/01/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I like those things you list until the end, it is a visually impressive film as are all Kubrick's films... but I really hate the shockingness factor. I think it is shocking in a negative way, in a way that poisons your heart, and violates your soul, with very little redeeming content to make up for the damage it does. I notice you don't mention any aspect of the film's content, just it's presentation. Kids these days are just looking for something that dazzles, I don't know I think it's a shame and I repent the days of my youth when I would have said yes I like A Clockwork Orange.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120378 - 05/01/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Lost in Translation isnt a chick flick. Chick flicks are Gilmore Girls type rapid fire dialogue where there is atleast one romantic make out session in the rain after some dramatic fight over dumb shit girls get dramatic about.
Lost in Translation was primarily about an erosion of culture. This movie has more in common with The Last Samurai than it does with any chick flick. So far everything that Focus Films has come out with is absolutly brilliant. For those that didnt like it, try going back and watching it with erosion of culture in mind, i promise it will make much more sense to you.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120405 - 05/01/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
Well i looked at your profile and stuff about buying ani difranco cds and so I guess you're female.
Is it offensive to say that pretty girls usually marry masculine men?
Am I stereotyping?
Am I being a sexist pig?
Tell me whatever you want to tell me or don't tell me anything if you prefer hon, it's the internet you can say what you want.  I'm just being honest, in my experience, in my life, and in the lives of other people I have seen...




My profile has nothing to imply sex one way or the other, so you're gonna assume I'm female because the last cd I bought was Ani Difranco and I liked lost in translation? I find this interesting.

It's not offensive to say pretty girls mary masculine men 95 percent of the time, just ignorant, thats all.  :wink:

I would'nt say you were stereotyping or being sexist, you are just ill informed. That or have some serious misunderstandings concerning relationships.  :smirk:



btw, A clockwork orange was the shit, but it does not hold a candle to the glory of the book. Of course I suppose this statement is a bit cliche'.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120415 - 05/01/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I notice you don't mention any aspect of the film's content, just it's presentation. Kids these days are just looking for something that dazzles



If I were just looking for something that "dazzles", I'd be watching mindless action flicks.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4120419 - 05/01/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

erosion of culture eh? i never saw the last samurai.
I don't think the american/japan contrast is as important as the contrast between the lives of Bill Murray/scarlett johanson. i can see a basic theme of cultural contrast but I don't understand what you mean by cultural erosion.

maybe you're right it's not a chick flick, i mean they don't end up together, there is no neat wrap up and that is very non chickflickish.

it does make me want to go see Japan though, and play in the Japanese arcades.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4120421 - 05/01/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
Lost in Translation isnt a chick flick. Chick flicks are Gilmore Girls type rapid fire dialogue where there is atleast one romantic make out session in the rain after some dramatic fight over dumb shit girls get dramatic about.
Lost in Translation was primarily about an erosion of culture. This movie has more in common with The Last Samurai than it does with any chick flick. So far everything that Focus Films has come out with is absolutly brilliant. For those that didnt like it, try going back and watching it with erosion of culture in mind, i promise it will make much more sense to you.




Finnaly someone who knows what they are talking about! :thumbup: :smile:

To categorize this film as a chick flick, to me at least, shows a lack of depth in preception and understanding of art.

But what the hell do I know? :smirk:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120422 - 05/01/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

in a coffee shop in a city
which is every coffee shop
in every city
on a day which is every day
i pick up a magazine
which is every magazine
and read a story then forgot it right away

they say goldfish have no memory
i guess their lives are much like mine
the little plastic castle
is a surprise every time
it's hard to say if they are happy
but they don't seem much to mind

from the shape of your shaved head
i recognized your silhoutte
as you walked out of the sun and sat down
and the sight of your sleepy smile eclipsed all the other people
as they paused to snear at the two girls from out of town

and i said "look at you this morning
you are by far the cutest
but be careful getting coffee
i think these people wanna shoot us
or maybe there's some kind of local competition here
to see who can be the rudest"

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Freeker]
    #4120439 - 05/01/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup: :bow: :smile:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120499 - 05/01/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

what's the correct percentage? 90% 85% Scarlett Johanson could be a supermodel. In real life girls like that affix themselves to guys who are very goodlooking, or very successful financially. girls are always cast unrealistically in films, always very goodlooking, except for character actresses like you know Julianna Moore, who is also very goodlooking, we just pretend she is a regular gal cause she doesn't have the cookie cutter supermodel features. beautiful women are cast in roles where they are asked to play women with regular lives full of conflict and struggle, it's hard for me to believe because beautiful people have it all laid out for them on a silver platter from birth to death.. or maybe not. so i'm ignorant and this and that and the other, ok well enlighten me then. or keep throwing insults. I don't give a hoot. i'm just waiting for my sleeping pill to take effect. it is interesting to me though that a female likes A Clockwork Orange. I had a girlfriend who hated that movie, and resented me for not hating it with her. And she dumped me but since then I've come to realize that yes, a person should dislike A Clockwork Orange. it sort of glorifies violence and rape.. or maybe not.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120515 - 05/01/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:nonono:


You precive my comments as insults, funny.

You just typed all that and said very little, even more funny.

You still belive I'm female, i'm rolling on the ground by now :rotfl:

Good luck with that sleeping pill :thumbup: :wink:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120520 - 05/01/05 07:31 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

at least I'm trying. who are you to criticize?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120524 - 05/01/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

and yes, calling someone ignorant is an insult, you're waffling you know


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120538 - 05/01/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

your speaking a lot but you're not saying anything

and your also very heavy influenced by lookism

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120544 - 05/01/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I liked The Life Aquatic more than Lost In Translation...


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120559 - 05/01/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am emptywisdom to criticize, I have my opinions like anyone else, and if some come across as critical, so be it, they certainly are on some level. I'm really not trying to offend you. And if this is what is happening I appologize for my lack of class.

Keep trying, youhave great opinions, I just don't agree with the ones I have observed here, and (again, guess I'm being critical, oh fucking well) I find some of your posted conclusions to be a bit ignorant. This is just my opinion, give it as much credit as you like. Mabey you are makeing brilliant points and I'm just missing them, who knows? I don't see it that way, and I'm not afraid to let it be known. If you take this as personal critisism, so be it, I can't help that, I'm just giveing my two cents.

I send my blessings to you. once again, good luck with the sleeping pill, I hope it's everything and more than you anticipated :yawn:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Freeker]
    #4120560 - 05/01/05 07:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

lookism shmookism
you wanna talk about lookism how about the lookism of when someone starts being disliked in the beginning, it just spirals from there.

if my 3rd from last post, or i don't know what number, but the ones where i tried to say good, positive things, had been said by someone else, someone new to this thread, then they might very well have been quoted with a thumbsup icon by you or emptywisdom but instead they're ignored because they were said by me who earlier and later said negative things which you disagreed with..

and so i'm bad bad bad, ignorant ignorant ignorant, that all my efforts to communicate are empty..cruel cruel words sir.... hey well, that's too bad, i wish i were a better person.. explain to me your lookism term, if you want you can use what i've said in this thread but no more cause you don't know what i'm like in real life, just what i've said in this thread...


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120576 - 05/01/05 07:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't like Lost in Translation.  Maybe I needed to be stoned to truly appreciate it or something but when I saw it I was bored out of my mind. 

/short attention span. :smile:

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120583 - 05/01/05 07:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

well i'm definitely not making brilliant posts at the moment. honestly i guess im probably trolling, i think is what they call it. certainly not using commas correctly. i just you know, i just wanted to say that i liked lost in translation but i focus on the negative cause that's more interesting to me and fighting on the internet is alright, it's more interesting than forums where everyone is required to be really friendly and positive


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120588 - 05/01/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You take offense to easily, I don't know if you're insecure or just a bit pissed off today.

Relax bud, I mean no harm

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: MOTH]
    #4120592 - 05/01/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't like Lost in Translation. Maybe I needed to be stoned to truly appreciate it or something but when I saw it I was bored out of my mind.



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Freeker]
    #4120622 - 05/01/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

insecure and pissed off, both both both, but i'm getting really sleepy now and that's a very welcome feeling. sleep is a good good thing. when you don't have much you learn to appreciate some things which other people don't...appreciate so much, i'm not gonna say people take it for granted, cause i don't know...i just know that when life is down sleep is welcome...for me..


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120627 - 05/01/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I thought Lost in Translation was a great film.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: MOTH]
    #4120640 - 05/01/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it is a slow movie, slow pace to it, but i think that's it's beauty, saying a lot with a little.  i think someone above said the same thing already, i want to give credit where credit is due.  maybe i'll leave it like that, end this long sunday on a postivive note.
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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120647 - 05/01/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

whats with these people who have no attention span? television babies, I swear.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120673 - 05/01/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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it is a slow movie, slow pace to it, but i think that's it's beauty, saying a lot with a little.  i think someone above said the same thing already, i want to give credit where credit is due.  maybe i'll leave it like that, end this long sunday on a postivive note.
:yawn:




WEll, I'll probably watch it again someday, just to try and figure out what I'm missing! 

Bi0: my mother never let me watch television.  (too "worldly" for our conversative Christian family.)

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4120694 - 05/01/05 08:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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it is a slow movie, slow pace to it, but i think that's it's beauty, saying a lot with a little. 




Yes! :thumbup:

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    #4120728 - 05/01/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have a pretty good attention span when it comes to movies... I'm not one who falls asleep during a movie. Lost In Translation just didn't seem to have any points, and when it ended, I didn't get it.


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    #4120730 - 05/01/05 08:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

why do you have a short attention span?

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    #4120734 - 05/01/05 08:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

why does film have to have "points"?

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4120738 - 05/01/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

what do you think she whispered?

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    #4120765 - 05/01/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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pretty girls marry masculine men 95% of the time





I now disregard anything you say as ill informed bullshit from here on.



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4120772 - 05/01/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The points where streched across the whole film in subtle ways. They are certainly not obvious, and it is really not a juvinile film, but they are there for you to catch, if you are paying attention. It's a beautifull piece of art if you can catch whats going on. I suppose it might take a bit of experience with human relationships to understand, but who does'nt have that experience? Just tune into what you know about human interaction, relationships, and people, and you should have a better chance at getting into this movie.


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    #4120785 - 05/01/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I just adblocked your obtuse, annoying blinking things - I wish I done it earlier.

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    #4120790 - 05/01/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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why do you have a short attention span?




Mmm...I'm not sure.  Maybe a part of me is more judgemental towards situations and events then I want to admit.  If something doesn't capture my interest immediantly, I discount it and move onto something else.  Obviously this means I miss out on stuff that is actually pretty good.  My husband has been trying to help me have more patience.  I'm learning.  :smile:

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    #4120803 - 05/01/05 08:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

right on :thumbup:

you should just try laying on your back and watching clouds morph and evolve and fade for long periods of time (hour +) - try to just watch clouds and not think about anything but the clouds. you'll be able to focus better with practice...

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
    #4120959 - 05/01/05 08:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Welcome to shortcut, gratification on a platter, hollywoodized America! If you would like a perfect portrayal of how screenplays get bastardized by placating to the lowest common denominator, watch "Adaptation", it is a present time walk through of this (such an amazing film).
I have found movies leaving the path of thought provoking and onto the path of mindless indulgence, where everything explodes, everything is hyper-dramatic, a super-nova soap opera. People want the explanation handed to them, which is the equivalent of Dali drawing/writing a summary of what his paintings are supposed to mean somewhere on the actual painting.

Now that that rant is over......
What i meant by erosion of culture is that the japanese way of life is becoming sadly americanized, much like The Last Samurai. There is a strong correlation between the relationship of Bill Murray and the girl, and that of Japan and America; almost going as far to say that japan is in its midlife crisis, dipping its toes back into the pool of blissful ignorance and abandon of youth. I think most Americans have a strong respect and affinity for japan and its people/land/culture, as well as much of Japan likes our way of life; the two affinities are for different reasons, we see the calm, focused, diligent and strong nature of the Japanese, and they see a vibrant, youthful hedonism that isnt repressed and squashed by the overbearing taboo's. Just as Scarlett admired Bill, and vice versa....

well, thats what I got from watching that movie atleast.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Welcome to shortcut, gratification on a platter, hollywoodized America! If you would like a perfect portrayal of how screenplays get bastardized by placating to the lowest common denominator, watch "Adaptation", it is a present time walk through of this (such an amazing film).




Now that's a movie I loved.  :thumbup:

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    #4121061 - 05/01/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I really loved adaptation as well.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
    #4122767 - 05/02/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I loved the film, but yes, it didn't have quite a "point", it's beauty came from the filming itself and the relation between the characters.
It's not like they had to defeat a "bad guy", it shows real life struggles between real people.

To me it talked about loneliness, hope, the feeling of being out of place and trying to find yourself again... but always in a beautiful yet slowly paced way.

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what do you think she whispered?




I'd love to hear some opinions on this, since I'm from Spain I can't read her lips accurately...that was a beautiful detail, let it to our imagination :heart:

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    #4122966 - 05/02/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

no idea  :thumbup:

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    #4122984 - 05/02/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

um first of all her boyfriend was a damn good looking stylish kind of guy
i dont know if you had any problems seeing girls you like go out with guys you don't like and you decided to yourself that its because they're a bunch of masculine guys but don't impose your shitty love life onto movies
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    #4123026 - 05/02/05 11:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

are you talking to me?

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I think he refers to the topic creator :shrug:


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    #4124456 - 05/02/05 05:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I loved the film, but yes, it didn't have quite a "point", it's beauty came from the filming itself and the relation between the characters.
It's not like they had to defeat a "bad guy", it shows real life struggles between real people.

To me it talked about loneliness, hope, the feeling of being out of place and trying to find yourself again... but always in a beautiful yet slowly paced way.
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    #4124808 - 05/02/05 07:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't like Lost in Translation. Maybe I needed to be stoned to truly appreciate it or something but when I saw it I was bored out of my mind.




Exactly!

My girlfriend and I went to see it when we were in Canada last time. So many good reviews we figured it was a "can't miss" kinda deal. We both were bored to tears by it. When we were walking out we were both complaining how boring it was and she said to me, "Well... if you found it so boring, why didn't you suggest we leave?". I asked why SHE didn't suggest we leave. She said, "I figured it was going to get better. I mean, it couldn't get much worse, right? And all the reviewers seemd to love it, so...."

Yes, there was a total of about ten or fifteen minutes of decent stuff in there. I can't deny that. But what an overhyped yawn-fest it really is.



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    #4124826 - 05/02/05 07:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I guess some people need excitement to watch a film.

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    #4125123 - 05/02/05 08:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Not excitement necessarily. Interesting subject matter will do. Or a plot. Or interesting characters. Or dialogue.

The fact of the matter is that if the movie had been set in ... say... Iowa, it would have been a bomb of gigantic proportions. The ONLY thing it had going for it was the exotic setting of modern urban Japan.

"Hey, look! Isn't that Japanese talk show host weird-looking! Haw haw haw!"

"Oh cool... flower arranging. I always wanted to try that."

"Wow.... that Japanese director of TV commercials is just as phony as the American directors of TV commercials! I guess it really is a small world after all."

But once you get past that, the characters, plot (or lack thereof), issues addressed, dialogue, and arty closeup shots of the girl mooning around in her room are so blah that there's just nothing there.

Again, I will repeat there are some good moments. Emphasis on "moments". But the movie as a whole is at best mediocre.



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    #4125133 - 05/02/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I guess you didnt get the film...at all.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
    #4125400 - 05/02/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I "got" it.

Just because a film has a message doesn't automatically mean it is a good film or an interesting film. I found it excruciatingly boring. So did my girlfriend, and believe me we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. So did Ellemyshade and a few others who have commented here.

I'm glad you liked it and that you don't regret the money you spent and the time you invested to see it. But if I could go back in time and reclaim those hours and dollars I invested in watching it I'd do it in a heartbeat. Life's too short and there are far too many good movies I haven't seen yet.



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    #4125968 - 05/02/05 11:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

from your lame film synopsis, no, I don't think you got the film.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
    #4126284 - 05/03/05 12:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If he feels this movie was carried by it's setting, then no, he really did'nt catch it. I think it actually could have been better if it had been set in a place like Iowa, it would have stood on it's own more, makeing the movie that much stronger, but of course the story would have to be a bit different in this case, whatever. Urban Japan's not all that exotic. It's certianly not for everyone though. If you bored with this movie it's possible that you are just not letting yourself get completley into it. Too much other stuff on the mind to let it suck you in, you know? With this film you really need to get inside the minds of the charecters and try to feel what they are experiencing. I dunno, just cause you get it don't mean your going to like it, but I really don't belive, judgeing by the "lame film synopsis" of phred, that he new what the hell was going on. To say that it lacked interesting subject matter or interesting charecters proves this point to me. Probably why he was so bored.  :smirk:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4127046 - 05/03/05 08:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Not excitement necessarily. Interesting subject matter will do. Or a plot. Or interesting characters. Or dialogue.

The fact of the matter is that if the movie had been set in ... say... Iowa, it would have been a bomb of gigantic proportions. The ONLY thing it had going for it was the exotic setting of modern urban Japan.

"Hey, look! Isn't that Japanese talk show host weird-looking! Haw haw haw!"

"Oh cool... flower arranging. I always wanted to try that."

"Wow.... that Japanese director of TV commercials is just as phony as the American directors of TV commercials! I guess it really is a small world after all."

But once you get past that, the characters, plot (or lack thereof), issues addressed, dialogue, and arty closeup shots of the girl mooning around in her room are so blah that there's just nothing there.

Again, I will repeat there are some good moments. Emphasis on "moments". But the movie as a whole is at best mediocre.




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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Vvellum]
    #4127178 - 05/03/05 09:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I thought it was a great film. It's been a while since though so I can't remember exactly what it was I liked about it so much. I remember the emotions that came across in the film came across very real and moving. Even just the moments of silence. And Pinky/Phred, it had nothing to do with the Japanese setting for me.


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    #4127209 - 05/03/05 09:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I just adblocked your obtuse, annoying blinking things - I wish I done it earlier.




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    #4127215 - 05/03/05 09:43 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

something just have to be done man.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4127272 - 05/03/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't say the movie was "carried" by its setting, I said that it was the only part of the movie that was even slightly interesting and that it would have been a bomb if set in in Iowa. Even the title is a misnomer, fa cryin' out loud. There is no translation to get lost in, really. The Japanese are nothing more than background setting and no attempt is made to examine the differences between the subjects of the movie (Murray and Johanssen) and those who surround them for the week. None of their angst or anomie or depression or world-weariness or soul-searching or boredom or whatever has anything to do with the fact that they are in Tokyo. It could have been set anywhere.

Just for the hell of it I went to imdb.com and checked the reviews of this turkey. Even though the overall rating was 7.9 out of ten, with pages of people rating it 9 or 10 out of 10, there were also pages and pages of people rating it 1 out of 10, with several people swearing they would have rated it 0 out of 10 if the option had been there. This appears to be a movie one either loves or hates. I didn't see a single review between 2 and 8 (although I didn't check every single rate) -- all were either 1, 9, or 10. This is pretty unusual.

I read maybe two dozen of the reviews and have to say that those rating it a one "got" the movie better than those rating it a ten.

As is the case with art, music and novels, rating movies is a very personal thing. What some love others hate. But to dismiss negative reviews of this turkey by claiming the reviewer didn't "get" it is just arrogance. There wasn't a whole lot to "get", and it certainly takes no great deal of effort to "get" what is there to be gotten. It's just that the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.

The problem is that I -- and many, many others -- found the process of "getting" it to be one of enormous boredom. It's a freaking BORING movie.



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4127341 - 05/03/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i think lost in translation is a movie about identity.

ive never realted so deeply to a charecter in film before than bill murrays charecter in LIT.

the feeling of just needing to be wanted, yets no one will tell you what you need to hear.  and you cannot ask for this type of solace, because that cheapens it, in fact makes it immaterial to you.

so you go out and party or do whatever it is that you do, but when youre done, you sit down... and it doesnt change anything.  you are still who you are, and you still desire the same things.  life didnt move.

"fun" is nothing but a diversion.  in this movie you can see that plain as day, because of the foreign element... they cannot realte to any of the fun there having, there just eeking it out, because they "should" be.

ive been in that womans shoes also, and it too seemed like a very familiar place for any younger person to be in todays society (american society).

out of college questioning yoru decisions, and yes, your very humanity at that.  what culture to you have to grasp on but flimsy straw men arguments from left and right wing christians these days?  she too sought the diversion to her problems, and at teh end of the night they sat there and nothing ahd changed.  life hadnt even moved.

beautiful movie.  i give it 10/10.

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4127358 - 05/03/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Even the title is a misnomer, fa cryin' out loud. There is no translation to get lost in, really.



Phred




did you miss the part where they have relationships with there spouses? and they dont know how to communicate there feelings to them?

its not about being lost in japanese translation, its about being lost in human translation.


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    #4127370 - 05/03/05 11:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I liked the part where he touches her ankle.

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    #4127384 - 05/03/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:smirk:

yes actually... that is a good part :heart: hehe

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    #4127869 - 05/03/05 01:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't say the movie was "carried" by its setting, I said that it was the only part of the movie that was even slightly interesting and that it would have been a bomb if set in in Iowa.




You did'nt say it was "carried" by it's setting with your words, but you said it, without a doubt, and to reiterate my point for me (thank you, btw) you just repeated it in this quote. This observasion further solidifys my opinion that you simply missd what was going on in the film. If you can't understand how a point can be made beyond the simple words used, I don't see how you could understand the sublte relationship quirks, imagery, and most important, wordless dialouges that dominate this movie and make it such a beautifull piece of subtle art. Mabey i'm just an idiot and really feel moved by boring, meaningless movies about nothing, but I'm going to be bold here and suggest that the former is more likely than the later.


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    #4128175 - 05/03/05 02:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.
The problem is that I -- and many, many others -- found the process of "getting" it to be one of enormous boredom. It's a freaking BORING movie.




:lol: That was the best thing about that movie... the shot with her in her panties. :penis:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4128197 - 05/03/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

*shots... lots of them

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4128248 - 05/03/05 03:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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As is the case with art, music and novels, rating movies is a very personal thing. What some love others hate. But to dismiss negative reviews of this turkey by claiming the reviewer didn't "get" it is just arrogance. There wasn't a whole lot to "get", and it certainly takes no great deal of effort to "get" what is there to be gotten. It's just that the presentation of what little content there is to be gotten is tedious and excruciatingly boring. Yes, Johanssen's character is regretting her decision. I get it. Yes, Murray's character is world weary and perhaps regrets decisions he has made. I get it. Yes, the two of them sense a common bond and start to enjoy each others' company while sitting in limbo waiting for their week to end. I get it. Yes, Johanssen looks great in her underwear. I get it.





First of all, you didnt get it.... sorry, but you still have yet to get it, even with everyone pointing it out. I really despise it when people make flagrant negative objections to movies/art/music (since it takes far less thought to criticize something than support it) with no real basis, and then hop on the "very personal thing"/"art is subjective" defense. There was something to "get" with that movie, as with most art. It isnt arrogance (maybe a tad pretentious....because we got it) that we are saying you didnt "get" it if you didnt like it; you can dislike the movie, and still "get" the movie. When I tell you that you didnt "get" it, it is much like the same "you didnt get it" when someone says "classical music is boring/dumb/slow evolving, thats why I dont like it".
Furthermore, your synapsis of you "getting" it was on par with an 8th grade evaluation of Chaucer. A movie is comprised of set, setting, lighting, plot, characters, dialogue, and perspective... your synapsis focused on one aspect of a few select scenes of the movie: the emotions of the characters.... so, no... you didnt get it, go back and try again...

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4128256 - 05/03/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

after i read this, it sounds far more mean-spirited and antagonizing than what was intended...maybe i need to start using more Smileys.

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    #4128285 - 05/03/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup: :smile: :heart: :wink: :grin: :yesnod: :lol:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4129488 - 05/03/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It takes far less energy to criticize something than to support it? That sounds like phooey to me. Most critics really liked LOT, it's easy to just regurgitate what they said, all their praise. I started this thread to praise the movie and point out the one part that made it less believable than it could've been and to see if anyone agreed.
You just spent your whole post criticizing that other person's reaction to Lost in Translation so I guess you must be a lazy shroomery poster or something?? No I don't think that, I'm just trying to ...alright you know what it's time for bed again.


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    #4129646 - 05/03/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

My objection to lost in translation was this: "I don't care".

This is my objection to 99% of movies.


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    #4130460 - 05/03/05 10:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

............. I still think the movie sucked.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4131056 - 05/04/05 12:58 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

yeah...along with motzart huh?

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4131597 - 05/04/05 07:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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First of all, you didnt get it.... sorry, but you still have yet to get it, even with everyone pointing it out. I really despise it when people make flagrant negative objections to movies/art/music (since it takes far less thought to criticize something than support it) with no real basis, and then hop on the "very personal thing"/"art is subjective" defense. There was something to "get" with that movie, as with most art.... blah blah blah more of the same.....




Looks like you aren't "getting" what I have been saying. I'm not saying the movie didn't have a message. It had a message. So fucking what? That doesn't mean it was a good movie. It wasn't a good movie. It was a freaking boring-ass movie.

I find it amusing you go on and on about my supposed inability to "get" the message of that movie while you yourself illustrate your inability to get the message of my posts -- a substantially easier task. Just in case you missed my message in my first several posts, here it is again -- the movie was BORING.

There are thousands of movies out there with "messages". Most are mediocre, some are great, many are turkeys. Having a message to convey does not automatically make a movie a good movie.

As for your claim that so many people had "pointed out" the message the movie had to convey, a review of the thread will reveal that I was actually the first one to mention anything at all about what the message actually was. Most previous comments had been of the "Mang, you're too stoopid to GET it" variety, not taking the time to ever point out what "it" actually was. For all we know, those making the claim didn't "get it" either:

"Ha ha, you doof -- I got it and you didn't. But I'm not going to prove that I got it by spelling it out, you'll just have to take my word for it." For all we know, those claiming to have "gotten it" think the message was that Japanese people act funny.

Was there a message conveyed by the movie? Sure.

Was that message conveyed in an interesting or insightful manner? Nope.

Was the message conveyed through adept character development, plotting, or symbolism? Nope.

Was the importance of the message being conveyed able to overcome the massive boredom induced in the audience? Nope. Even though my girlfriend and I stuck it out to the bitter end, many in the audience at the showing I saw didn't bother. There were a lot of walkouts.

I've seen dozens of good and even great movies about human relationships. Lost in Translation isn't one of them.



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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4131615 - 05/04/05 08:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That's "Mozart".

Speaking of Mozart, rent "Amadeus". Now THAT was a good movie.




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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4132004 - 05/04/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

its all subjective to the observers intent.

im not sure i care anymore :sad:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4132044 - 05/04/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

first off, ok, a girl as pretty as the actress who played the main girl, and a girl who is also smart like that girl, would never have married an effeminate guy like her husband in the movie in the first place

Huh? Dude, that kind of petty bullshit might apply in high school, but girls grow up, and their tastes change. Go to any big city, find the trendy part of town, and notice how pants-soilingly hot the girlfriends of the makeup-wearing skinny emo dudes are.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phluck]
    #4132429 - 05/04/05 12:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it's just a movie, we all look for different things in movies.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4132631 - 05/04/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe I'm not empathetic enough to like this movie...?

I'll admit, I'm not. I have a problem with considering other people's feelings sometimes.  :rolleyes:


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4132676 - 05/04/05 01:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

different strokes for different folks.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Phred]
    #4135280 - 05/04/05 10:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I find it amusing you go on and on about my supposed inability to "get" the message of that movie while you yourself illustrate your inability to get the message of my posts -- a substantially easier task. Just in case you missed my message in my first several posts, here it is again -- the movie was BORING.






As long as you are content with your boredom....Ill just leave you with some quotes....


Your true traveller finds boredom rather agreeable than painful. It is the symbol of his liberty - his excessive freedom. He accepts his boredom, when it comes, not merely philosophically, but almost with pleasure. -Aldous Huxley

When people are bored, it is primarily with their own selves that they are bored. -Eric Hoffer

Boredom: the desire for desires. -Leo Tolstoy

Boredom comes from a boring mind. -Metallica

Boredom is just the reverse side of fascination: both depend on being outside rather than inside a situation, and one leads to the other. -Susan Sontag

Boredom is the feeling that everything is a waste of time; serenity, that nothing is. -Thomas Szasz

YAY! it was boring.....YOU WON!

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4135865 - 05/05/05 12:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)


Boredom comes from a boring mind. -Metallica


Boredom comes from bad movies. - Randalflagg

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4136882 - 05/05/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hey now that it's the 90s and long hair isn't cool anymore let's cut our hair -Metallica


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4138228 - 05/05/05 02:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thats great....revel in your boredom. Wallow in your boredom, i hope it brings you much truth, spirituality and knowledge....

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4138365 - 05/05/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

are you addressing that sarcasm at me?

You keep berating people for their negativity. That's called hypocrisy. You keep talking down to people cause they don't like Lost in Translation. That's called being a snob. Relax. Don't be so mean.


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4140419 - 05/06/05 12:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I am a snob...but I am aware of it atleast.

I am not being mean, or insulting people because I think I am better than them. I am berating the apathetic submission to boredom and loss of enthusiasm. It is much like you going to a keg party, paying your 5 dollars (or whatever) and getting pissed off because you were bored and didnt get laid.... Whose fault is that?

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4197175 - 05/19/05 07:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

This movie was terrible. So terrible. Soooo boring. The only good scenes were when the girl was in her underwear because she is pretty hot, but otherwise it was so pathetic. There is nothing worse than a HORRIBLE movie that screams "LOOK AT MY LACK OF CONTENT AND PRETEND ITS DEEP AND EMOTIONAL". Makes me sick!


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: looner2]
    #4197235 - 05/19/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Woa, I agree with looner2... maybe I should reconsider my opinion?

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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4197248 - 05/19/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No, it just means we are friends. Ok?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: looner2]
    #4197384 - 05/19/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Only if you put a cat in your sig instead... or some form of pussy?


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Re: objections to Lost in Translation [Re: Adamist]
    #4197428 - 05/19/05 08:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No way man.. my dog is awesome.


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