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To All Vendors and Members
    #411812 -

As many of you know, I usually stay out of many heated debates. But in the recent light of the current situation between vendors, customers, and Shroomery advertisers. And from reading the "I Demand The Truth About McMan" thread I now feel as a vendor, I should reply.

In this place that we call a community, we must first all understand why we are here. In essence, it is to communicate about the cultivation of a mushroom. And on top of that, a mushroom that is considered illegal in most countries. Our conversations shouldn't be so secretive, but they must be. Our posting of pictures should be nonincriminating, but they might be.

We are all here becuase of our interest in an illegal substance. Thats the bottom line.

And if there's someone out there, vendor or non-vendor making threats that concern involving law enforcment, then we need to act as a community and protect each other. If peoples lives are dramatically altered (get arrested or searched by the DEA) then we must do something in order to protect the citizens of our community. We all know that there are enough outside forces against us already.

The Shroomery is a very friendly place. But when alleged threats are posted or emailed to respected memebers of our community action needs to be taken switfly. In other words "nip the problem right in the bud".

What disturbs me most is, what if a vendor gets upset with a customer? Is that vendor going to ruin that persons reputation here in our community? Or worse, take personal or legal action against that person? As important as the Shroomery members are, there is something that I think ALL vendors should rememeber.

Being a vendor myself, I know that people buy from us (just as they do you) for a variety of reasons. Good service, great product. But one of, if not most important of reasons is this:

Trust. (period)

Memebers here buy products from the vendors that help support this community becuase they probably feel as if they can trust us with their name, mailing addresses, and credit card numbers. They have a sense of trust becuase as vendors we all share the same passion for cultivation. And that passion has taken us to a point where we now want to help others. From newbie to cultivation guru...trust is largely given to us from the customer to PROTECT. And the same should hold true with the Shroomery members.

Now, its gotten to a point where vendors are threatening vendors.

To all vendors: What do you think our customers/potential customers are thinking of us now? Should they trust us? Should they look elsewhere? If the vendors in this community can't have respect for one another, what makes me think (the customer) that this vendor won't bring harm to me?

Recently, issues have risen that question the practices and motives of a few vendors here. And I feel that the main issue is customer trust. It can be manipulated pictures or manipulated emails. Regardless of what the case may be, trust should be maintained within our community so that the passion that we ALL HAVE can grow. If that trust becomes degraded, all parties involved will suffer.

In short. The vendors who really love this community will stand by it, through tough times and good times. Threats shouldn't be tolerated, but personal statements concerning the involvement of law enforcement SHOULD NOT be allowed in this community.

And its not becuase we should be politically correct, or "nice" to each other. Its because we are dealing with a topic that deals with an illegal substance. And that ALONE should be enough for us devoted enough to this community to watch out and to protect each other from such threatening people.

I have said my peace. Please PM if you have any comments for I will not debate my position

My whole 2 cents :)

Lana

Distributors of Mycological Products

http://www.MycoSupply.com




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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #411867 -

I must agree. There a quite a few vendors who support the community. This is really something special we have here so lets no ruin it. I know your fighting wont ever stop. You will defend your case on and on, but, it just wont matter. Neither sides will give up. So, lets take it to PM. I'm sure it can be settled more maturely there.



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outside, not on other people" - Aldous Huxley

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #411891 -

bravo. As a customer these are exactly my thoughts as I've read various messages lately.


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #411910 -

I don't think anybody can argue with that post, Lana...

Serious, or joking, threats concerning the involvement of law enforcement can NOT be tolerated in a community such as this.

In my book that is just as bad (worse even) than yelling "BOMB!" in an airport.

I think we all no what the next step is...

Banish ALL/ANY members who are involved in these sort of activities. Because their presence will only HURT this community, and that is something we all canNOT tolerate.

Good day
camel



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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #411923 -

I TOTALY AGREE!! I'm not a vendor, however I'm well aware of the flames going on. I too have wondered what the fuck people are thinking sometimes. I would go on more, but to sumerize: YOU PUT IT BETTER THAN I COULD!

I'm glad somebody pointed this out without getting involved in the flame wars. Sure the flames can be entertaining to read, but how many have sit back and asked themselves "wah? what the fuck are we doing?" hehe


>>Jammer>>


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #412060 -

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #412061 -

WOW, that was a long post lana,...I almost got through the second paragraph

Satan is Irish


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Growing anything is good for the soul

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #412100 -

You suggest to ban Mcman and Ralphster? I agreee

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412111 -

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WE SHIP TO CANADA FROM WITHIN CANADA :smile:

For your safety and security, we have a Secure Website.
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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412112 -

Yeah what does ralph have to do with this?

I admit i'm not totally up on what's going on, but ralph isn't bad is he?

Shrooms are not addictive. The shroomery, however......


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #412137 -

No, this time it is not directly Ralphsholes fault. But history has shown up that Ralphster is sneaky person who had a kewl idea of FSR to become popular, and then he became vendor.
Then he was allways asking for others opinion, while several of us know that he is using sneazy tactics.
I remember one post where Ralph was asking about should he make syringes, explaing it is good for newbies....(we all know that Ralph does not do it for bussines but for pure altruism)...and then he sets his prices at 12. even though naive people hoped that Ralph is sincer, and they where hoping that hge will set up lower prices.
This is only drop in the forest of Ralphsters paradoxes, which are not more paradox when you put a premise that all he does is for profit ONLY.

I was allways meantioning Ralphsters paradoxes about buying spores from MJ, and then spreading them for free .... idea that he shown up suddenly saying he was shroom grower from ever..cmon....you would shown up here years ago, not last year if that was true.... his mixing of two "separate" personalities ..ralph the vendor and ralph the FSR holder.... idea that he said he is giving up his FSR because of my and Max accusations about his sneaky tactics .... rapetative saying he is friend with everybody and not knowing no one at first (that is misusing of word friend) ..and showing how little his worrd worths...and MANY more paradoxes...
PS ...one more... when he said that he is gonna ruin all spore vendors by rhis FSR, and than becoming one of them... and one more.... when he is taking all the credits wich hurted honest vendors who where here before shroomery.... and many more
And now, ralph is staying great diplomate saying he has nothig with that, even mcman is his partner wich never suprised me.
If you are more interested more in those accusations, do a little search, and everything will become clear to you.


afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412138 -

ralphsole... you can keep calling me crowbar... i never minded to hear that word from your mouth.

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Lana]
    #412143 -

Yes now you are trying too wash your hands from Mcman Ralphster. But Shroomery is not that stupid. More and people are realising your personality every day. This time You will sink with your personallity.
I will not let you escape from your shit.

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412240 -

Talking to yourself, Crowbar?



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The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412243 -

Ralph has nothing to do with this! lay off crobih, I know your like the only guy who doesn't like Ralph, looks bad when you use this oppertunity to hit a guy when he's down....

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Thor]
    #412245 -

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WE SHIP TO CANADA FROM WITHIN CANADA :smile:

For your safety and security, we have a Secure Website.
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Your security and safety is of utmost importance to us.

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ralphster44]
    #412317 -

What ralph says... " conserve water, drink lsd "


Friends help you move. Real friends help you move dead bodies.



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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #412369 -

I don't know squat, but I am brand new, have used 3 syringes & 1 fsr print from Ralphster so far, and everything is GOOOODDD. I think his prices are fair, and his selection is nice.
Like I said, haven't been here long, and don't know much, but why shouldn't Ralph be a vendor? Even if his original intentions were to spread spores for free rather than profit, I don't see any reason why he couldn't/shouldn't change his mind. Besides, he IS still running the fsr, which sure as hell isn't putting dinner on his table!!
As long as his business practices are ethical (and nothing I've read leads me to believe otherwise) then he has just as much right to take on an enterprise as the rest of us, whatever that enterprise might be.
Every vendor I have ordered from to date was located thru the shroomery, and I have been happy with all orders thus far. As long as my experiments go well (and I am looking at my first batch of dried goodies now...yippee!!), I intend to order from everyone sooner or later, so I can sample a lot of variety, from spores to substrates.
The only thing that would make me avoid a vendor would be watching that vendor slam another without very good cause.
In my dreams...

Support the Free Spore Ring


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: babyshroom]
    #412397 -

It is up to you if you consider that ethics should exist. I say yes. If you do not mind, than we are not from the same world.

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412410 -

Post deleted by administrator.


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www.RalphstersSpores.com

WE SHIP TO CANADA FROM WITHIN CANADA :smile:

For your safety and security, we have a Secure Website.
Also for your security, we will not take your credit card number.
Your security and safety is of utmost importance to us.

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412506 -

Has ANYONE ever seen ANY post by Crobih that was anything other than bitching? Why does he bother?


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: CowboyNeal]
    #412520 -

"Has ANYONE ever seen ANY post by Crobih that was anything other than bitching?"

Yes.

" Why does he bother?"

Same reason you bother.





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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #412665 -

You are newbie, so your opinion is irrelevant.

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #412762 -

Ahh, that sly charm that wins people over comes through again.
Crobih, you're so cute.


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: babyshroom]
    #412879 -

'The only thing that would make me avoid a vendor would be watching that vendor slam another without very good cause.'


Maybe you should check out forestfloor where rolf continuies to this day his childish attempts to undermine the SporeLab and my work.
And for absolutely no reason, the SporeLab has one of the cleanest records in the business yet, as mod at ff, not only does r. allow a continuation of childish pictures and flames directed to myself and the SporeLab, but he actually contributes his own trash.

Anybody who hasn't noticed his sleazy way of doing business is either a newbie or has been blinded by a few 'free' spores.

rolf is to mcspam what laurel is to hardy, what ham is to eggs and what shit is to a diaper.

Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
http://www.SporeLab.com
email: getspores@sporelab.com

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #412907 -

max if you don't like being slammed at the FF stop selling your contaminated spore syringes to the members there. some of the mold and bacteria your selling can make people sick. of course you don't care about that as long as you take their money.

i call max the garbage man, because everything he sells belongs in the garbage


http://www.theforestfloor.org/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=212

here's some of the finest research the garbage man is doing

Edited by jim on 10/03/01 09:23 PM.


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #412929 -

I'm astounded to see you bunch of stoners gettin into this "banning people" crap. You would think that this place, of all places, would be one of inclusion rather than exclusion. Maybe I just read the whole gig here wrong.

Watching the moderators and vendors have their very own little pissing match is initially fun but becomes disappointing very quickly.

McMan, I'm also disappointed in you for vacating the premises so quickly. I'd let them ban my ass first. I hate to see you go.

I'm thinkin less of you Anno, for threatening to just keep folk's money cause they missed your friggen post that you got all pissy and will keep anything post marked after the tird. And Ryche in here acting like that... Sheeeeeeit. Man, you guys!

I feel like I've gotten to know alot about some of you guys from that "McMan is an asshole thread". Some of you I feel like I can do business with and others, I'm getting skeptical about.

Leaf


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ralphster44]
    #412956 -

here here!!

?Well, this is how the world works. All energies flow according to the whims of the great magnet. What a fool I was to defy him.?



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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: jim2]
    #412967 -

wow, 2 complaints in 5 years and puppets like you have nothing to do but harp about them

get a life puppetboy

Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
http://www.SporeLab.com
email: getspores@sporelab.com

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #413395 -

Well, I don't know anyone here wellm but do feel I can tell a bit about a person's character based on what they post here in the forums.
CaptainMax, my earlier comment was not meant to dis you, perhaps I came off a little harsh. However, if you come in here and call customers (or potential customers) "puppets", not many of us will be rushing to our box to send you our hard-earned money, will we? While I will NOT judge a vendor (or anyone, for that matter) based on what another vendor says, I will (naturally, as anyone would) form an opinion based on what I see the vendor HIMSELF post. In this day and age, customer service and mutual respect can go a very long way when wooing potential long-term customers.
Perhaps I misunderstand your post....exactly who are the puppets?

Support the Free Spore Ring


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: babyshroom]
    #413456 -

I didn't take your comment as a dis but I did want you to understand the situation.
As a newbie, you've missed too much of the bullshit to really understand what has been happening. Hang around long enough and you'll figure it out yourself but I really think the 'dark days' of the shroomery are near an end.

Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
http://www.SporeLab.com
email: getspores@sporelab.com

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #413536 -

I really don't understand why people are bashing ralph, may I remind you that ralph donated 500 bucks to this place you love a cherish, so fuck you.

" Who among us has not snuck into the break room for a Love Newton?"


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: AnimalChin]
    #413588 -

Actually there is more McMan bashing than ralph bashing. And umm donating money has nothing to do with if you are an asshole or not ( not saying ralph is). But I could be the biggest asshole in the world and donate 1000$ and still be an asshole and get bashed about it.


darkfly
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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: darkfly]
    #413906 -

crobih, your sentences aren't very coherent. If you have a valid point, be direct and to the point. Your speech isn't very effective when each sentence can be interpreted in several different ways...



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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Azure]
    #414485 -

"I have more then I can spend in the rest of my life:)
just sent $500.00
we should all send something....anything..."
~ralphster

This is the latest acting of our famous actor. I mean ralph why do you sell spores than?
Just one of the examples

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Crobih]
    #414495 -

Ralphster,

I am very pleased with the service I recieved from you so if that is any concellation, but the real reason I am posting is to stop this bickering and get more posts of LANA. Is it just me or is she hella sexy looking? I want more pics, more pic, more pics. Lets all just love each other huh crowbar.....


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: tired_o_schwag]
    #414499 -

Once more time, I never said that his service is bad, all I was allwasys saying is that community has to sancionate ralphs acting aka parasitism

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: tired_o_schwag]
    #414500 -

Yeah I'd like some pics of Lana too, but we can't be rude to ol' gal i mean she's not just some cheap ho, she's high quality BABE, and she grow mushrooms too, which means she's smart and cool! She's the type of gal you marry, which means she's going to be someones wife, and possabley eventually someones mother. SO we need to be respectful of this future mother.

I feel she's already a mother to us all

Conserve Chemical Monkey, drink my puddles.


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #414504 -

PS Lana is a mystic queen. That means that is she postewd more photos of herself, it would loose her charm. So I do not want her post any more picture.If you want more photos go ask OSB or del or somebody else

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #414792 -

Lana is a great girl, she's a classy gal with a lovely tattoo.

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Thor]
    #414985 -

Reading this thread leaves me fatigued. Not exactly the tone Lana started it with. Her post uplifted me a little after wading through the recent concerning issues here. I don't participate in flaming wars that go on here. In my personal and business life I am agressive and probaly a downright asshole to many I deal with (especially in business). I am endlessly loyal to my friends and family letting nothing present a harm to them if possible. When I come here to the Shroomery I have always had a feeling of community. You people are my friends in this stealthy part of my life. It is no doubt due to the nature of why we are all here. Threats and all this flaming titty baby shit are a disgrace! Folks, let your actions speak for you. If you are an lowdown asshole people will know. Crowbar and Ralphsole....give us a break guys. Please agree to disagree and be done with it. Shit like this does not give me a very shroomy vibe. There are always going to be people you don't like and people who don't like you. That is one thing in the real world...Those people should stay the fuck away from each other. Here at this community and others like it those people need to strictly keep these arguments contained in PMs....so the rest of the community can be spared the boredom and bad vibe. As Far as Ralphster, he has been fair with me. Crobih, I don't know you bro. Have no opinion about you. Some say you are Their Founder of The Shroomery, whatever that is about.

Hopefully returning to the tone Lana initiated: We are all here to talk about the less than legal subjects. There is really no need for any added stress arising from all this soap opera BS. Folks, embrace each other for these are the people that are sharing some of the same interests in life with you.


TRUST? Indeed people!

Pic of LANA? Always lovely....


For Premium prints and cultivation info check out www.thehawkseye.com a supporter of the free spore ring...

Edited by TrippinRhino on 10/05/01 04:11 PM.



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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #415112 -

Crobih is like a folk hero. I've noticed he see's things a lot clearer from Europe, he is not so influenced by north american media. Also, his broken English says much more than more posts. I laugh when people insult his English. He knows 7? languages, the insulters only know one.
As for r., i won't go there.....
And Lana? I'd like to see her tattoo. Is it of a skull with a knife in it?

Take a trip to the Spore Lab @:
http://www.SporeLab.com
email: getspores@sporelab.com

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #415201 -

Crobih sounds like sort of a dumbass to me. Sorry.

Leaf


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #415513 -

"He knows 7? languages"
7 yes... but it does not make me be smart....its education and genes .

afterall you are all good people sometimes
~Crobih

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: Thor]
    #415721 -

The sharing of P.M.'s and emails between two parties, with a third, in a public forum or privately is SHITYYYYYYY. I think all parties from the ADMINISTRATORS down to us lowly customers (members) should take a long hard look at what has happened.
There are people here upset because they did not get a copy of a private Email. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPY!!!! The email was between two private parties. What made one of them think anyone could do anything about it? Why share it?
A simple post like, "-------- threatened me" . Just wanted to warn about potential interactions with---------.
The skeptics would be saying, I don't believe you, where is the proof. The proof was a private message, take the warning or don't!!!! When the actual sender of the private message comes to defend him/herself, and says you are lying, explain that you still have the proof. "Would you like it posted publicly?" No, then APOLOGIZE!!!
I don't recall the sender ever coming to argue against the accusation, so IT must have been TRUE!!!! We really did not need to see the EMAIL, for the point to be made!!!!! Posting Private mail should be the very LAST RESORT. When all other avenues have been tried.
Just my TWO CENTS.
Teonan


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
    #415846 -

Teonan,
You are right about the posting of PRIVATE messages--They should remain Private. Even though they can be posted--they can also be falsified.(not saying in ANYWAY whether that be the case concerning recent events)
BTW-- the sender did come forth to defend themself. (read the post--McMans threat to the OMC)
Dioze1

Not all that wander are lost.


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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: ]
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Im still trying to catchup on what this all about but this I do know...
1. Remember all this negativity are the acts of a few people who cannot admit when they are wrong and feel if they have to go down well they're gonna take the community with them.
2. Crohib may sound whacky but he has made "some" valid points and if you knew some more of the history here and were able to see through some pretty slick "spin doctoring" and Public Relations you might be able to see what hes talking about. Whether its personal with him or not "that I dont know" but I understand exactly what he's talking about and its definitely not personal with me.
3. That tatoo in the small of Lana's back and those nice hips are pretty sexy arent they?, and she is one of the few vendors around here who do have the interests of this community as compared to their own interests in their proper perspective. Anno is another vendor who contributes alotta of his time and his expert knowledge to helping others here. There are others who put the interests of this community before personal profit but Lana and Anno were the only ones in this thread mentioned that I would have no problems "trusting".
4. This issue of "vendor trust" is one of the building blocks of this community and should be taken very seriously along with the appropriate steps/actions taken, the question is "what do we do about it?"
Something to think about...


Tell me something good then I might agree with you..


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Tell me something good then I might agree with you....the Smithereens

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Re: To All Vendors and Members [Re: dioze1]
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dioze
McMan did not show up until after all this shit went down, and then just to say he was leaving. I was stating that no private information should ever be posted or shared, unless the "threatener" stated he did not do it. Only as proof and after the "threatener" has said Fuck off, so to speak!!!! All the information was shared before McMAN came to respond.
Peace Teonan

The evidence offered was not to debunk MCMAN, but to prove his actions to THIRD PARTIES!!! This is ALMOST as bad as the threat itself.

Edited by Teonan on 10/06/01 10:32 PM.


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