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Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel - It's over, who saw it?)
    #4116416 - 04/30/05 10:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Edit-Voodoo shows over, who saw it on the History Channel?



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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116724 - 04/30/05 11:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Zombie "magic" was exposed (See: "The Serpent and the Rainbow") as a powerful specially prepared mixture of animal toxins.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: Swami]
    #4116745 - 05/01/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I saw that! :lol: I have no idea what approach this show is going to take. I will probably have something to say after I see it. The previews just looked funny. I'm not interested in it myself, however, the fact that its practiced in the world today in the year of 2005 is what makes it interesting. Just a part of my people study interests. :wink:

Tradition is a powerful thing it seems.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116774 - 05/01/05 12:16 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Read the book. The movie was over-sensationalized and many fictitious scenes were added for spice. They did the author a real disservice.

Also notice that once again, a rational and not a mystical, explantion was uncovered.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: Swami]
    #4116789 - 05/01/05 12:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Most movies do the books diservice. That movie was hokie. :lol:

I'm just amused watching them jump around in their jungle trance dances with all the pomp and props raising spirits and all.

People are funny and I'm amused easily.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4119669 - 05/01/05 07:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

bump
It's on tonight.

Should be like a journey back in time.............hoodooo voooodooooo

Isn't this suppose to be one of the worlds oldest religions?


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4119674 - 05/01/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it is.

http://search.aimhome.netscape.com/aim/b...om%2Fvoodoo.htm

Origins of Voodoo

Voodoo is a derivative of the world?s oldest known religions which have been around in Africa since the beginning of human civilization. Some conservative estimates these civilizations and religions to be over 10 000 years old. This then identify Voodoo as probably the best example of African syncretism in the Americas. Although its essential wisdom originated in different parts of Africa long before the Europeans started the slave trade, the structure of Voodoo, as we know it today, was born in Haiti during the European colonization of Hispaniola. Ironically, it was the enforced immigration of enslaved African from different ethnic groups that provided the circumstances for the development of Voodoo. European colonists thought that by desolating the ethnic groups, these could not come together as a community. However, in the misery of slavery, the transplanted Africans found in their faith a common thread.

They began to invoke not only their own Gods, but to practice rites other than their own. In this process, they comingled and modified rituals of various ethnic groups. The result of such fusion was that the different religious groups integrated their beliefs, thereby creating a new religion: Voodoo. The word "voodoo" comes from the West African word "vodun," meaning spirit. This Afro-Caribbean religion mixed practices from many African ethnics groups such as the Fon, the Nago, the Ibos, Dahomeans, Congos, Senegalese, Haussars, Caplaous, Mondungues, Mandinge, Angolese, Libyans, Ethiopians, and the Malgaches.

The Essence of Voodoo

Within the voodoo society, there are no accidents. Practitioners believe that nothing and no event has a life of its own. That is why "vous deux", you two, you too. The universe is all one. Each thing affects something else. Scientists know that. Nature knows it. Many spiritualists agree that we are not separate, we all serve as parts of One. So, in essence, what you do unto another, you do unto you, because you ARE the other. Voo doo. View you. We are mirrors of each others souls. God is manifest through the spirits of ancestors who can bring good or harm and must be honored in ceremonies. There is a sacred cycle between the living and the dead. Believers ask for their misery to end. Rituals include prayers, drumming, dancing, singing and animal sacrifice.

The serpent figures heavily in the Voodoo faith. The word Voodoo has been translated as "the snake under whose auspices gather all who share the faith". The high priest and/or priestess of the faith (often called Papa or Maman) are the vehicles for the expression of the serpent's power. The supreme deity is Bon Dieu. There are hundreds of spirits called Loa who control nature, health, wealth and happiness of mortals. The Loa form a pantheon of deities that include Damballah, Ezili, Ogu, Agwe, Legba and others. During Voodoo ceremonies these Loa can possess the bodies of the ceremony participants. Loa appear by "possessing" the faithful, who in turn become the Loa, relaying advice, warnings and desires. Voodoo is an animist faith. That is, objects and natural phenomena are believed to possess holy significance, to possess a soul. Thus the Loa Agwe is the divine presence behind the hurricane.

Music and dance are key elements to Voodoo ceremonies. Ceremonies were often termed by whites "Night Dancing" or "Voodoo Dancing". This dancing is not simply a prelude to sexual frenzy, as it has often been portrayed. The dance is an expression of spirituality, of connection with divinity and the spirit world.

Voodoo is a practical religion, playing an important role in the family and the community. One's ancestors, for instance, are believed to be a part of the world of the spirits, of the Loas, and this is one way that Voodoo serves to root its participants in their own history and tradition. Another practical aspect of Voodoo ceremonies is that participants often come before the priest or priestess to seek advice, spiritual guidance, or help with their problems. The priest or priestess then, through divine aid, offer help such as healing through the use of herbs or medicines (using knowledge that has been passed down within the religion itself), or healing through faith itself as is common in other religions. Voodoo teaches a respect for the natural world.

Unfortunately, the public?s perception of voodoo rites and rituals seems often to point to the evil or malicious side of things. There are healing spells, nature spells, love spells, purification spells, joyous celebration spells. Spirits may be invoked to bring harmony and peace, birth and rebirth, increased abundance of luck, material happiness, renewed health.The fact is, for those who believe it, voodoo is powerful. It is also empowering to the person who practices it.

Voodoo and its fight to survive.

Despite Voodoo's noble status as one of the worlds oldest religions, it has been typically characterized as barbaric, primitive, sexually licentious practice based on superstition and spectacle. Much of this image however, is due to a concerted effort by Europeans, who have a massive fear of anything African, to suppress and distort a legitimate and unique religion that flourished among their enslaved Africans. When slavers brought these peoples across the ocean to the Americas, the African's brought their religion with them. However, since slavery included stripping the slaves of their language, culture, and heritage, this religion had to take some different forms. It had to be practiced in secret, since in some places it was punishable by death, and it had to adapt to the loss of their African languages. In order to survive, Voodoo also adopted many elements of Christianity. When the French who were the colonizers of Haiti, realized that the religion of the Africans was a threat to the colonial system, they prohibited all African religion practices and severely punished the practitioners of Voodoo with imprisonment, lashings and hangings. This religious struggle continued for three centuries, but none of the punishments could extinguished the faith of the Africans. This process of acculturation helped Voodoo to grow under harsh cultural conditions in many areas of the Americas.
Voodoo survives as a legitimate religion in a number of areas of the world, Brazil where it is called "Candombl?" and the English speaking Caribbean where it is called ?Obeah?. The Ewe people of southern Togo and southeastern Ghana -- two countries in West Africa -- are devout believers. In most of the United States however, white slavers were successful in stripping slaves of their Voodoo traditions and beliefs. Thus Voodoo is, for most African Americans, yet another part of their heritage that they can only try to re-discover.

The Power of Voodoo


The strength that the Africans in Haiti gained from their religion was so strong and powerful, that they were able to survive the cruel persecution of the French rulers against Voodoo. It was in the midst of this struggle that the revolution was conspired. The Voodoo priests consulted their oracle and learned how the political battle would have to be fought in order for them to be victorious. The revolution exploded in 1791 with a Petr? ritual and continued until 1804 when the Haitians finally won independence. Today the system of Voodoo reflects its history. We can see the African ethnic mixture in the names of different rites and in the pantheon of Gods or Loas, which is composed of deities from all parts of Africa.


Haiti's government officially sanctioned voodoo as a religion
Thursday April 10, 2003.

Haiti's government has officially sanctioned voodoo as a religion, allowing practitioners to begin performing ceremonies from baptisms to marriages with legal authority.

Many who practice voodoo praised the move, but said much remains to be done to make up for centuries of ridicule and persecution in the Caribbean country and abroad.

Voodoo priest Philippe Castera said he hopes the government's decree is more than an effort to win popularity amid economic and political troubles.

"In spite of our contribution to Haitian culture, we are still misunderstood and despised," said Castera, 48.

In an executive decree issued last week, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide invited voodoo adherents and organizations to register with the Ministry of Religious Affairs.

After swearing an oath before a civil judge, practitioners will be able to legally conduct ceremonies such as marriages and baptisms, the decree said.

Aristide, a former Roman Catholic priest, has said he recognizes voodoo as a religion like any other, and a voodoo priestess bestowed a presidential sash on him at his first inauguration in 1991.

"An ancestral religion, voodoo is an essential part of national identity," and its institutions "represent a considerable portion" of Haiti's 8.3 million people, Aristide said in the decree.

Voodoo practitioners believe in a supreme God and spirits who link the human with the divine. The spirits are summoned by offerings that include everything from rum to roosters.

Though permitted by Haiti's 1987 constitution, which recognizes religious equality, many books and films have sensationalized voodoo as black magic based on animal and human sacrifices to summon zombies and evil spirits.


"It will take more than a government decree to undo all that malevolence," Castera said, and suggested that construction of a central voodoo temple would "turn good words into a good deed."


There are no reliable statistics on the number of adherents, but millions in Haiti place faith in voodoo. The religion evolved from West African beliefs and developed further among slaves in the Caribbean who adopted elements of Catholicism.

Voodoo is an inseparable part of Haitian art, literature, music and film. Hymns are played on the radio and voodoo ceremonies are broadcast on television along with Christian services.


But for centuries voodoo has been looked down upon as little more than superstition, and at times has been the victim of ferocious persecution. A campaign led by the Catholic church in the 1940s led to the destruction of temples and sacred objects.

In 1986, following the fall of Jean-Claude Duvalier's dictatorship, hundreds of voodoo practitioners were killed on the pretext that they had been accomplices to Duvalier's abuses.

Priest at Voodoo Healing Hospital, Togo

At a Voodoo hospital in Togo, this priest acts as an intermediary between a deity and patient. The highest state of being for a Voodoo believer involves complete abandonment to the spirit of a particular deity. When a worshipper enters this ecstatic state, his or her body is possessed by the deity, who then speaks and acts through that individual.

Once every three years, in a palm grove by the sea, on the border of Ghana and Togo, thousands of Voodoo followers gather for a spectacular seven-day celebration called Kokuzahn, honoring their deity, Flimani Koku, the ancient warrior god. In the past, Koku guaranteed protection in combat and invincibility in battle, but today he provides defense against witchcraft and evil. The festival begins with pulsating Voodoo drum rhythms that send dancers spinning into intense states of possession. In these altered states they exhibit strength and endurance beyond normal capacity, oblivious to what they are doing and who they are. Considered miracles, these superhuman feats defy credibility and demonstrate the extraordinary power of their deity.


Check out this site for further info West African Vodoun: The World's Oldest Religion . . .http://www.mamiwata.com



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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4119683 - 05/01/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

WHen I lived in New York (north of Central park) I saw so many strange Santaria offerings left by Dominicans. They would arrange dried flowers in strange patterns in the park. They left dead chickens in cardboard boxes by the roadsides. Well, I'm not sure that was Santaria, maybe they just didn't want the dead chicken sitting in their kitchen dustbin.

They nailed a cows tongue to a tree. Supposedly that silences someone who could otherwise bear witness against you in a crime you committed. I can't remember if I saw that one or just heard about it. Dominicans are weird, almost as weird as Haitians.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4119745 - 05/01/05 07:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No doubt, this show will be wierd. Wow, you actually saw that stuff in Central Park huh?

Dead chickens? :confused:

Are you talking about people from the Dominican Republic or from the island of Dominica?

I knew some from Dominica when I lived in the Virgin islands and they were the nicests and sweetest of all the Caribbean -St, Thomaians are the rudest!!!!( one was christian and the other two were rastafarian). They were a little wierd too though. One said it was a traditon to eat "blood cake" for a birthday- a chocolate cake made with cows blood. (yuck)

He brought some to work and offered some around and just laughed when I said, "No thank You"

Another one use to make strange noises with her throat.

Another NEVER stopped smiling.

This planet is funny!


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4119750 - 05/01/05 07:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The DEMONican Republic? :lol:


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: Swami]
    #4119773 - 05/01/05 07:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I just changed that typo before I saw this reply and read it the same way and thought "hmmmmmmm was that misspelling a freudian slip?"

:lol:


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4119780 - 05/01/05 07:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dominicans from the Dominican Republic (ie the Eastern half of the island that has Haiti in the West). Where is Dominica?

It wasn't Central Park. There are some untended parks further north on Manhattan. We found a scary photograph of someone that had been wrapped in barbed wire and delicately placed by the side of a path. I don't know what that one's supposed to do. They mainly do stuff with dead animals, leave offerings. I think we found a goat's head once. A little disturbing.


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Re: Hoodoo Voodooo (history channel Sun 5/2 9:00 p.m. central) [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4119800 - 05/01/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dominica is a beautiful island with mountains and waterfalls and rivers in the middle of the Carribean island chain.

I wonder if paganism or black magic stemmed off from voodoo, anyone know?


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