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InvisibleCorporal Kielbasa
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religion & spirituality
    #4115397 - 04/30/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

spirituality is not a religion to indians.
religion is not an indian concept,
its a non indian worrd, with implications
that end badly like wars in the name of individuals Gods and so on
Indians dont ask what religion another indian is,
because to an indian they already know the answer.
To an indian, spirituality is about the creator period.


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4115402 - 04/30/05 06:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying that Indeans don't name their gods and they don't have conflict? :confused:

What indeans are we talking about?


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4115427 - 04/30/05 06:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Don't most Indians practice Hinduism?


Isn't that a religion?


Wouldn't that make them "religious" verses "spiritual".

A "religious" person practices a known religion that has been written down for other people to follow.

A "spiritual" person does not follow a written religion....they generally follow their "feelings/instincts"....or a mixture of religious beliefs.


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4115430 - 04/30/05 06:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

unless your talking about Native American Indians


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4115456 - 04/30/05 06:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

But can i ask what is realy known about a religion?

When i say indian im talking about people that are indigiones to the lands that live with nature. There is know need to say much about religion other then being thankfull to the creater. And to tribes people that is the earth and the universe.

When you become religious we sepperate ourself from the whole and close ourselfs from the truth that we are all the whole and that what is most important is that we are all children born from the same mother.

We are all indians at heart, that seperate ourself from the whole, by claiming in the name of......


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4115583 - 04/30/05 07:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:
But can i ask what is realy known about a religion?





Any/all "religions" are written in some book. Read whatever book the "religion" came from...to "understand the said religion. [It will be confusing and you will need an interpreter (priest)]

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When i say indian im talking about people that are indigiones to the lands that live with nature. There is know need to say much about religion other then being thankfull to the creater. And to tribes people that is the earth and the universe.





OK so your talking about native/aborigional/tribal people that lived in different regions before the "whiteman" came along and all but wiped them out.

Not the Indians that live in India.

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When you become religious we sepperate ourself from the whole and close ourselfs from the truth that we are all the whole and that what is most important is that we are all children born from the same mother.




Agreed.

"Religion" was created by "mankind" to control the masses.

Nothing more.


Spirituality has no meaning in a religious community.


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4115601 - 04/30/05 07:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

a priest can only interperate what he feels is correct and by that the information that is provided is biast.


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4116553 - 04/30/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The information is biased because it came from a man-made (biased) religion


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4117523 - 05/01/05 04:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

agreed. I dont even know where this can go but id like to see it some place further on.... So if information based on a tradition is formed on opinions and by that you are getting a bias view on such a subject wouldnt it be more beneficial to teach nothing more then love and compashion for one another and leave it at that.....Claim no one higher and creating higherarchy amongst the people. imo it would be more beneficial to say love and let live no one is wrong no one is right remember we are all children from the same source no god above no god below cuz seriously god is just every where in the blade of grass in the rain cloud in the drive way under the car. Its not a person its just that wich is the energy we call life. remeber our first bed is the earth and our roof is the sky....


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4118215 - 05/01/05 11:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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agreed. I dont even know where this can go but id like to see it some place further on.... So if information based on a tradition is formed on opinions and by that you are getting a bias view on such a subject wouldnt it be more beneficial to teach nothing more then love and compashion for one another and leave it at that......




Yes it would be better......but "religions" really arent there to help with "spiritual" issues......they are/were created to control the masses.


Nothing more.


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4118268 - 05/01/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

blegh


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4118270 - 05/01/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"To an indian, spirituality is about the creator period. "

I thought Lord Shiva wasthe God of Destruction? What about the asctetic yogi's who worship Shiva?  :confused:


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: egghead1]
    #4118306 - 05/01/05 12:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I think he is talking about Native American Indians and all "native" cultures that had no organized religion.

Not the Indians that live in India


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: niteowl]
    #4118332 - 05/01/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Oh! Sorry, my bad  :blush:


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Re: religion & spirituality [Re: egghead1]
    #4118339 - 05/01/05 12:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what Owl said


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