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Just because the "facts" don't match up doesn't make the meaning of the ideas any less valid or relavent.

But when the Bible states in clear, matter-of-fact wording something that is patently false, like the Noah/Rainbow myth, it renders the rest of the book suspect at best.

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1) Religions aren't based on scientific/logical facts, they are based off of human experiances and interpretations of those experiances.

2) But this doesn't mean that science and religion negate each other. Just because the "facts" don't match up doesn't make the meaning of the ideas any less valid or relavent.

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1) Exactly why separation of Church and State should actually exist... considering religions are primarily based on fantasy, we should treat it as such. Unless we want to base our laws on fantasy and attempt to stick with the same old methods that don't work.... shit, we've tried that, look where it's getting us.

2) Actually it makes them a lot less relevant. I can tell you that I came from Jupiter and have a shitload of advanced technology for time travel, and blah blah blah.... However if you know the facts of my life, in respects to the fabrications I tell you, it overall would give myself as a person less credibility.... kind of like the bible  .

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dr0mni said:
1) Religions aren't based on scientific/logical facts, they are based off of human experiances and interpretations of those experiances.

2) But this doesn't mean that science and religion negate each other. Just because the "facts" don't match up doesn't make the meaning of the ideas any less valid or relavent.

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1) Exactly why separation of Church and State should actually exist... considering religions are primarily based on fantasy, we should treat it as such. Unless we want to base our laws on fantasy and attempt to stick with the same old methods that don't work.... shit, we've tried that, look where it's getting us.

2) Actually it makes them a lot less relevant. I can tell you that I came from Jupiter and have a shitload of advanced technology for time travel, and blah blah blah.... However if you know the facts of my life, in respects to the fabrications I tell you, it overall would give myself as a person less credibility.... kind of like the bible  .

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Those who refuse to the truth in a concept riddled with fallacies are just as ignorant as those who accept those fallacies for absolute truth.

I just took a look at the thread about the "glaring problem with the bible"... I really hate it how people automatically put it down as "ignorant, primative, fairy-tale, etc." Religious scriptures are multi-dimensional and complex (obviously). They are the result of a bizarre human existance that we all share, and reflect aspects of each and every one of us.

Religions aren't based on scientific/logical facts, they are based off of human experiances and interpretations of those experiances. But this doesn't mean that science and religion negate each other. Just because the "facts" don't match up doesn't make the meaning of the ideas any less valid or relavent.

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No need to double post, one message is enough . (I've gotten quadrupple posts before )

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dr0mni said:
1) Religions aren't based on scientific/logical facts, they are based off of human experiances and interpretations of those experiances.

2) But this doesn't mean that science and religion negate each other. Just because the "facts" don't match up doesn't make the meaning of the ideas any less valid or relavent.

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1) Exactly why separation of Church and State should actually exist... considering religions are primarily based on fantasy, we should treat it as such. Unless we want to base our laws on fantasy and attempt to stick with the same old methods that don't work.... shit, we've tried that, look where it's getting us.

2) Actually it makes them a lot less relevant. I can tell you that I came from Jupiter and have a shitload of advanced technology for time travel, and blah blah blah.... However if you know the facts of my life, in respects to the fabrications I tell you, it overall would give myself as a person less credibility.... kind of like the bible  .

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1) Science is also based on human experiance and interpretations of those experiences. Lots of scientific theories turn out to be bunk, but they are all a part of the human imagination and interpretation of self awareness.

2) Lots of terrible things happened throughout history. The spiritual human experiance is full of pain and suffering, ignorance, and bloodshed. Why should the word of God not speak of these things if the hand of God is making them so.

3) Social codes change over time. So has the bible. When Islam was created it actually afforded women many rights that had not existed in tribal-Arabian culture until then. Now muslim women are thought of, by most of the world, as oppressed.

4) Science and religion are both just human interpretations of self aware consciousness. They are both looking at the same thing!

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1) I fully agree, I've made many statements in my posts about how fallacious science is, and how blind adherence shouldn't be given.

2) Did I say it shouldn't? I'm saying to keep religion and law seperate. I'm not advocating the elmination of religions on a political level; only on a personal one .

3) God's word has changed more often then Bush's agenda. For a word so perfect... it's odd how it's so subject to change in the face of destruction, and new levels of technology. I'm not saying that everything in the good ol' book is bad, however much of it is irrelevant, and the belief of intolerance generated by it is ridiculous in light of Jesus's rendition as to how we should be tolerant of others. Jesus says to be tolerant, to love others, yet their are many, and I do mean many direct contradictions to his mantra. The damn thing would be better off reformated, and taken for its teachings, rather then its mandates. The bible has lasted a loooong time by changing, not for its same ol' message.... why not change it and make it fully relevant in regards to modern times, and modern views of equality and human rights?

4) Yup. Science overall, however looks, analyzes, and views human consciousness. Religion overall mandates a certain form; for lack of better words, it mandates lifestyles to get a piece of the heavenly pie that is salvation. Science puts no restrictions on human behavior, and acceptance/tolerance thereof as part of its premises, although some of its adherents do. Religion does the opposite.

It is why I'm suggesting that it doesn't belong in the sphere of legal influence one bit... It can be taught, preached, looked upon, but shouldn't be allowed to impose mandates, especially as we are not in a country with homogeneous views as to our morality... such that, we shouldn't allow subjective parameters entailed by the tenants of a religious book to influence those that don't choose to believe in it. I'm merely expressing a desire for an objective government that promotes full tolerance by not allowing its hands to be stained by beliefs. Rather it should have as a dominating influence the direct promotion of equality and freedom, instead of morality and subjugation.