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Invisibleohmatic
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why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ?
    #4107594 - 04/28/05 05:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

hey!

i just came across one thought i couldnt really get to an answer.

when you are using an mushroom isolate, say you cloned a mushroom on agar,
and inoculate your spawn with the agar, why are there still the occassional aborts?

clearly, their number is WAY smaller if compared to multispore inoculated spawn,
but yet they pop up here and there, but why is that?

the genetics of the cloned mushroom itself are a fruiting strain,
its healthy and does well, how can it still be that there is an abort here and there?
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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: ohmatic]
    #4107611 - 04/28/05 05:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have allways thought its the genetics of the strain i know my pesh has very few aborts even with multi spore but my south americans have 3 times the amount of aborts, I dont worry about it too much because I actually look forward to aborts they seem more potent to me I saved all my aborts and ate half the dose I normally take and triped just as hard


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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: djsage420]
    #4109859 - 04/29/05 05:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

someone with a scientific answer?
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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: ohmatic]
    #4109870 - 04/29/05 05:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If there was an anwser then we wouldn't have abhorts anymore.

I'm being serious btw.:thumbup:

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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4109896 - 04/29/05 05:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Aborts arent just strain caused, sometimes the mushrooms just wasnt meant to be. I dont think theres a way to eliminate aborts..I dont really see why cloning would either. That wouldnt really affect the ability of the substrate and your conditions. Sometimes the substrate just cant support the pins, energy is put into other shrooms. Better to have almost all reach full maturity with lots of healthy spores and abort a few for the extra energy, then have them all grow and not be able to get the energy to produce the spores and carry out their pupose.

Not very scientificly explained for you I guess :shrug: Maybe something better will come along :smile:


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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4109916 - 04/29/05 06:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I dont see why one would think a clone would be more resistant too aborts. My rationalization on the subject would be that aborts are caused by stress and the mycellial network deciding which mushrooms are going to have the best chance of getting the genes passed on in spore from. I know there may be some contradictions in the second part of that statement, i.e. if you pick mushrooms off of a cake, some not all, and then less mature ones abort. One could say that it would be in the best interest of the organism to continue those mushrooms to make sure that its genes are passed on. But like a plant when an organism is stressed they do react in interesting ways. Like scat said, some mushrooms are just not meant to be. Maybe if the cake, casing decides that the mushrooms that are more mature have a better chance of passing there genes on in cases of climate related stress so abort smaller ones and focus energy on the more mature specimens. This rant may be a little unorganized, i apologise, going on 24hrs awake. Those are my 2 cents.


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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4110319 - 04/29/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with Scat and Hawk. Tendency to abort may be a genetic phenomenon, but I think aborts themselves are environmental.


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Re: why have aborts when using isolate for inoculation ? [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4110352 - 04/29/05 11:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Aeolus1369 said:
Tendency to abort may be a genetic phenomenon, but I think aborts themselves are environmental.




me too


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