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InvisibleSwami
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Feelings As Evidence
    #4103132 - 04/27/05 04:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Discuss.


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4103148 - 04/27/05 04:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think this depends on the question.

For instance if the question were: "Does a drug cause a profound change in consciousness" one may intepret their feelings after receiving it and say "yes" or "no".

However, if one were to use feelings to answer a question such as: "Does drug A, bind to receptor B" then it's not as simple.

So, in not answering your question I'll say feelings can be used as evidence only in specific and limited circumstances.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4103161 - 04/27/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If im feeling really horny, there is some definite direct evidence to prove this. :penis: :grin:


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: egghead1]
    #4103191 - 04/27/05 05:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You knocked your monitor off it's stand without using your hands?! I can see I need to put a parental block on your computer.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4103209 - 04/27/05 05:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Discuss.




Feelings. Nothing more than feelings. :thumbup: :thumbdown:

Feelings are only evidence in the subjective realm. And even then they are suspect. :mushroom2:


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Icelander]
    #4103227 - 04/27/05 05:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Feelings. Nothing more than feelings.

Public opinion is soooooooo ficklously funny. That song was a HUGE #1 seller and years later was labelled as one of the worst songs of all times. Same thing with disco.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4103539 - 04/27/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

When you "feel" something, it is what you interpret the surroundings as. Someone could feel extreme pleasure in stabbing someones intestines and then having intercourse with their dead corpse. This is not evidence that this was a good act. Feelings are inherently subjective... however that is only one case.


The same could be argued the other way. Mystics and people of that sort solely rely on feelings. However, they call it being in tune. It is hard to argue they are wrong, with their massive insight


I think it depends on the situation


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: IrishNation]
    #4103548 - 04/27/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Someone could feel extreme pleasure in stabbing someones intestines and then having intercourse with their dead corpse.

It scares me that you would even use that as an example. *Swami checks unsolved murder/necrophilia case files*


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4103599 - 04/27/05 06:41 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yell at a child for no reason, fear might most likely be the outcome, along with a number of other confused/self examining feelings/emotions....  Evidence could be perhaps crying, or feeling "withdrawn" - in fear....  :frown:
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Now give the child a talking to of how proud you are of them for doing a good job at something they worked hard for....  What would that evidence be....?    :smile: 
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Physical Pain is a feeling....  Get into a nasty car accident, and the evidence will be that the person will be in pain, and suffering will be observed....  :frown:    (Until the pain meds kick in.... :crazy2:)
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You could go thru just about every feeling/emotion, and see the outward reaction results of those feelings/emotions....  It may be more apparent in younger children (in innocence) because they have not "learned" how to "control" their reactions to the feelings they have....  Some people are able to control such outward expressions/reactions with a "Poker Face"....    Or, the Evidence could be deceptively created as a false outward expression/reaction to feelings/emotions....
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So perhaps body launguage/behaviour, or facial expressions could be an indicator of evidence, but may not be 100% conclusive....  It is all subjective to how a viewer interprets this behaviour....    The more you are familiar with a certain person, and have witnessed how they react to certain conditions that provoke feelings, the better one might be able to read the "evidence" of that person to draw a general conclusion....
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I would guess that if one could see the auras of people, it may be less subjective....  But then one would have to wonder if creating a "deceptive" feeling/emotion inside could be read wrong by an aura see'er.... 
---This may be all subjective as well....  How would one proove to another that they see auras - with evidence....?   
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But then, why would someone that saw such things need to provide evidence of such abilities....?   
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Disclaimer- I have only read/heard of such things as auras lately, I don't think I can answer questions about it, but thought I would bring it up for food for thought - as it is supposed to be "evidence" of how someone is feeling....  It would be very cool to have/develop an ability like this....!


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4104591 - 04/27/05 10:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Just because feelings can not be measured does not mean they be disregarded for evidence purposes. One can describe things quantitatively or qualitatively. Scientists are obsessed with math, order, and systems. Like badchad said, feelings cannot be used and measured so are only applicable in certain situations.

Feelings definately should be observed and it is absurd to disregard feelings as "subjective." Everything is subjective. Everyone processes information through different brains.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: mantra]
    #4104903 - 04/27/05 11:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

psionicpigeon said:
Feelings definately should be observed and it is absurd to disregard feelings as "subjective." Everything is subjective. Everyone processes information through different brains.



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The only thing I meant by being "subjective" is when trying to evaluate or "read" other's feelings or emotions - without words....  Because body language can be conditioned (like a soldier for example), trying to read someone elses feelings "accurately" would be very subjective to the "outsider's" perception/perspective....  That is where "disregarding" a generalized perceived notion/conclusion of someone elses feelings/emotions could be a wrongful assumption to the observer - in SOME cases.... 
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Again, this is all in the bounds of no words....  I didn't say that in my original post....    :heart:
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If you were allowed to ask questions, the feelings, and perhaps the root of those feelings can be uncovered, understood, and assimilated....  I was more interested in discussing "reading" people's emotions/feelings without words or questions - based on body language, behaviour, posture, and facial expressions....    If auras show the colors of emotions/intentions accurately, no matter what the conditioned body language is, this would be a tool that would be well worth developing and learning....  Very interesting indeed....!    Then true intentions and feelings/emotions could be "read" without a word being said....

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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4105445 - 04/28/05 01:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I feel this thread sucks.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4108724 - 04/28/05 10:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Someone could feel extreme pleasure in stabbing someones intestines and then having intercourse with their dead corpse.

It scares me that you would even use that as an example. *Swami checks unsolved murder/necrophilia case files*





LOL... :wink:


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Silversoul]
    #4108799 - 04/28/05 10:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I feel this thread sucks.

Like a good BJ or like a Black Hole?


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4108877 - 04/28/05 11:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Evidence of what?


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: niteowl]
    #4108891 - 04/28/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Evidence of veracity.

"I feel he is a good person; therefore he must be."

"I feel something to be true; therefore it must be."

These types of emotional responses are horrible indicators for the truth about anything.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4109087 - 04/29/05 12:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

do tell, swami. what is good for finding truth. do you have any truths to sahre with us. not information. i dont care water=h2o. has science given you truth?


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4109145 - 04/29/05 12:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
These types of emotional responses are horrible indicators for the truth about anything.



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It has just been asked, but what do YOU think is a good indicator for truth....?    Just curious....  :heart:


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4109156 - 04/29/05 12:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hard evidence.


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Re: Feelings As Evidence [Re: Swami]
    #4109166 - 04/29/05 12:48 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What is "hard evidence" of someone's feelings/emotions - as it relates to "truth"....?


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