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The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe"
    #4102457 - 04/27/05 01:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A French 'no' to EU constitution would mean the 'fall of Europe'

http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=18920



Former European Commission president Romano Prodi has warned that a French No to the European Constitution would mean the "fall of Europe".

In an interview with French newspaper Journal du Dimanche (24 April), Mr Prodi said that a French rejection of the document on 29 May would result in "no more Europe".

"We will go through a great period of crisis. The problem will not only be a catastrophe for France, but the fall of Europe.

"A No would be catastrophic for Europe, from a social and economic point of view, not only political. And that is the whole contradiction: everybody knows very well that there is no Europe without France, yet France does not realise the chance it has with Europe. She should reflect on that because an isolated France would be very weak", said Mr Prodi who presided over the Commission during the making of the Constitution.

Mr Prodi's warning comes as consecutive polls in France have shown the No side to have the lead over the Yes camp.

French media report on the increasingly desperate air that surrounds the French government as it tries to rally the yes side.

The opposition Socialist Party, which was meant to be celebrating its centenary over the weekend, could only manage a muted affair as it is so preoccupied with the issue.

Former socialist prime minister Lionel Jospin, who accused the party of lacking discipline over the weekend, is to appeal for a yes vote in a TV interview on Thursday.

Meanwhile, in Germany, which faces ratification by parliament on 12 May, there has also been some opposition to the document.

According to German daily Die Welt, some 15 MEPs from the Bavaria-based CSU-faction are going to vote against the Constitution.

They say they are concerned about a shift in power from the national to the European level.

All 25 member states have to ratify the 465-article constitutional treaty by the end of October next year in order for it to come into force.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4102487 - 04/27/05 01:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This isn't new. The EU plans have been clear as day for many years now. They want a united "nation" with countries like states much like the U.S in order to gain a foothold on the world power stage. Alone they are weak, and together they are strong. It goes without saying that their opposition to whatever the U.S suggest is meant as a uniting factor and a means of labeling an "enemy" to further propagate a reason for their uniting.

I don't think we as the U.S should sit back and just glance over this. First thing is first, we need to END all funding to the U.N. We are literally paying the pockets of our enemies to further alienate us from them.

They are trying to tread the line of being "allied" with us, while they are still weak, but you bet once their power is solidified, they will be looking to make some noise.

There are not many circumstances that would lead me to enlist in the army at this very moment, but I would in a heartbeat if it were against France + Germany. I would join in a second to wipe those worthless nations off the face of this earth.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4102532 - 04/27/05 01:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Germany and France are not worthless. Luxemburg, maybe.

If you're itching for a fight why don't you be a catalyst and start assassinanating people with your leet ninja skills, who knows maybe you will have the distinguished honor of sparking world war 3! There is no limit to lunacy, looner. Reach for the stars.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4102551 - 04/27/05 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you're itching for a fight why don't you be a catalyst and start assassinanating people with your leet ninja skills, who knows maybe you will have the distinguished honor of sparking world war 3! There is no limit to lunacy, looner. Reach for the stars.

Why are you turning this thread into OTD? If you don't have any thought or opinion to add, why post?

War with the E.U is going to happen. Whether it happens in 10, 20, 50, or 100 years, it WILL happen. Whether we seize the opportunity we have now to crush them or wait another 100 years when they have the upperhand. I won't wait around for them to destroy my future generation, I say we take them out now.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4102613 - 04/27/05 02:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

that is my thought! that is my opinion! I think you're a nutjob in need of professional help; there, is that opinion straighforward enough?

Tell me oh Oracle, what are the reasons for this imminent war between the U.S. and Europe? Is it something that the populations of said nations want, or something that only ties in with these nations' leaders (politicians and captains of industry) interests? Obviously if leaders have an army at their backs there are many people (other than leaders) on either side who are willing to fight and die in a war; it's a mob mentality. But is the army really an acurate repressentation of a country's populace? It's sociopaths and fringe lunatics like yourself that spark all this bloodshed in the first place. When you say "we" who do you mean? You and what army? Enough of this vagary. You can't just say something is going to happen and then say nothing else to back it up. Well, you can, but it makes you look like a tard.

Hopefully people are becoming more aware of the global situation, and unless the world population all remains complacent and just lets the shit hit the fan, possible wars of the future can easily be averted.

(The next American civil war starts this year. John Titor said so!)


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4102649 - 04/27/05 02:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)


Tell me oh Oracle, what are the reasons for this imminent war between the U.S. and Europe?Is it something that the populations of said nations want, or something that only ties in with these nations' leaders (politicians and captains of industry) interests?


Since the beginning of civilation powerful groups, nations, or empires have fought for the upperhand and supremecy. (The actual interworkings of this struggle is extremely complicated, you might want to read a book.) It happened as recently as 50 years ago, and 90 years ago, with ww2 and ww1, respectively. If you read my post I gave a broad time range for the war to happen, nothing "imminent" about it. What is visible, is the growing tension between two said nations.

Obviously if leaders have an army at their backs there are many people (other than leaders) on either side who are willing to fight and die in a war; it's a mob mentality. But is the army really an acurate repressentation of a country's populace? It's sociopaths and fringe lunatics like yourself that spark all this bloodshed in the first place.

Why did you ask me why wars occur if you have the reason? You believe it is "mob mentality" and "lunatics" like me. Whatever the reason, you'd be a "coward" to not stand up and fight when your life and the life of your nation is under attack. It is the way things are.


Hopefully people are becoming more aware of the global situation, and unless the world population all remains complacent and just lets the shit hit the fan, possible wars of the future can easily be averted.


As you see, I'm not the one distant from reality. You first asked me why wars happen, then gave an explanation as to why they happen, and then gave a method to avert wars forever.

I only made the assumption that a war WILL break out in the future, and I have 4000 years of history to back that up... you have... we'll I dunno, maybe you can provide evidence for your beliefs.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4102705 - 04/27/05 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Since the beginning of civilation powerful groups, nations, or empires have fought for the upperhand and supremecy. (The actual interworkings of this struggle is extremely complicated, you might want to read a book.) It happened as recently as 50 years ago, and 90 years ago, with ww2 and ww1, respectively. If you read my post I gave a broad time range for the war to happen, nothing "imminent" about it. What is visible, is the growing tension between two said nations.




Doesn't change the fact that you said it was going to happen, not that it might happen or it might not.

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Why did you ask me why wars occur if you have the reason? You believe it is "mob mentality" and "lunatics" like me. Whatever the reason, you'd be a "coward" to not stand up and fight when your life and the life of your nation is under attack. It is the way things are.




France and Germany are not attacking my house or my nation.

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As you see, I'm not the one distant from reality. You first asked me why wars happen, then gave an explanation as to why they happen, and then gave a method to avert wars forever.





Hopefully, meaning that if people get their act together we can see how delusional and misguided our leaders are, and how pointless war is when (almost) limitless energy is possible. Granted that is a big if, but so is your assumption that a war will happen regardless.

4,000 years of history is by no means an accurate predictor of the future... Do you realise how much human societies have changed since those times? Do you realise how differently we might think in the next 30 years? 100 years? In that amount of time anything could happen including wars but it's a huge leap to say that it will happen.

Sure, roaming armies sacked mesopotamia, and Germanic tribes sacked the Roman empire, but corrupt Rome was doomed anyhow, and everyone before that was at war over land (see: the bible) As long as there is a struggle to vie for resources there will be wars, hence the supression of free energy. Here's the oppisite end of the loony spectrum: http://www.serendipity.li/fe/minefields.htm just to give you a taste of what some others think.

When there is little or no sturggle to survive, intelligent life flourishes. That is why America with all its modern conveniences has done so well and made so many daring advances in science and art. But as long as we need OIL, there will always be wars.

I buy stock in solar energy companies not because I think their business will do well, but because I hope it will do well and people will reject hydro/coal/fuel driven power. It's all about free energy.

Heh sorry that this is incredibly disjointed, I'm kinda stressed right now.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: SWEDEN]
    #4102822 - 04/27/05 03:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In an interview with French newspaper Journal du Dimanche (24 April), Mr Prodi said that a French rejection of the document on 29 May would result in "no more Europe". It doesn't seem that Mr. Prodi realizes what Europe is, or why it is Europe.

I personally hope that both Germany and France do not sign/agree to it.


"We will go through a great period of crisis. The problem will not only be a catastrophe for France, but the fall of Europe."-Classic propaganda/hype... ...the world will certainly end if France rejects the document.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4102842 - 04/27/05 03:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've been hearing about the various developments coming out of the EU. The plain fact is that they are making it more and more difficult for businesses to operate within the member countries and will drive jobs away. In twenty years Europeans will be eating crumbs from China and scratching their heads wondering what happened.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4103809 - 04/27/05 07:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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She should reflect on that because an isolated France would be very weak




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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: Autonomous]
    #4104190 - 04/27/05 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Autonomous said:
I've been hearing about the various developments coming out of the EU. The plain fact is that they are making it more and more difficult for businesses to operate within the member countries and will drive jobs away. In twenty years Europeans will be eating crumbs from China and scratching their heads wondering what happened.




but thats exactly whats happening in the US..and we let big business walk all over us...


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4104199 - 04/27/05 09:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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looner2 said:
I would join in a second to wipe those worthless nations off the face of this earth.


It is your worthless country that will get wiped off the earth.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: Saladin]
    #4104279 - 04/27/05 09:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It is your worthless country that will get wiped off the earth.







Indeed our "worthless" country.
Is that why there is Frances' flag faked over the United States of America flag in that moon pic in your sig?
You (French) people might be more concerned with having a hot summer.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: California]
    #4104298 - 04/27/05 09:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am not french


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: Saladin]
    #4104360 - 04/27/05 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I did not mean specifically you, hence the (French)'people'.
Is English your first language?
no reply besides that huh?


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: California]
    #4104376 - 04/27/05 09:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes english is my first language (unfortunatly)
and no i dont think the french are worried about the summer thats why they invented air conditioning


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: Saladin]
    #4104436 - 04/27/05 09:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Guys, we can track him down and cut his head off, look on that map, it says, "SOHRAB, B". Looks like we found ourselves an infidel!

FALALALALALLALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4104460 - 04/27/05 10:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Joke is on you i didnt make the map. Im not the only one who wishes america was off the map.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: Saladin]
    #4104471 - 04/27/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sure you didn't, I hope your not a bleeder. I got a nice 16 incher, just sharpened with SOHRAB, B's name on it.


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Re: The French "NO" to EU constiution would mean the "Fall of Europe" [Re: looner2]
    #4104509 - 04/27/05 10:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

*unfortunately
Yes.


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