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OfflineWojo
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new poo or old?
    #4100773 - 04/26/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have a friend with a horse farm. He has piles of horse poo all over the place, some of them saposedly from the early 1900's. Should i go for the oldest pile or the freshest stuff? Or somewhere in between?


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Wojo]
    #4100779 - 04/26/05 11:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Go find the newest poo, but make sure it has dried completely. Or you can take some fresh poo and put it on a tarp in your yard and let it dry out, then pasturize it.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Fizikz]
    #4100816 - 04/27/05 12:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Go find the newest poo,




WRONG.

You should go for the stuff thats been aged, not the freshest stuff. Not the oldest stuff either if its 1900's but go for like 6-12 months old. Look for the stuff thats been weathered alot. Weathered then dried is good too..


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4100946 - 04/27/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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You should go for the stuff thats been aged, not the freshest stuff. Not the oldest stuff either if its 1900's but go for like 6-12 months old. Look for the stuff thats been weathered alot. Weathered then dried is good too..


Either way,new or old,its still not composted.P.cubes do grow on non composted substrates but they do better on composted substrates.When fresh manure is left in the sun it loses most of the nitrogen.If fresh manure is put in a compost pile it will retain the nitrogen making it available for the future.Sun dried manure is no better then straw,lots of carbon without much nitrogen.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: starspawn2]
    #4100967 - 04/27/05 01:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Either way,new or old,its still not composted.P.cubes do grow on non composted substrates but they do better on composted substrates.When fresh manure is left in the sun it loses most of the nitrogen.If fresh manure is put in a compost pile it will retain the nitrogen making it available for the future.Sun dried manure is no better then straw,lots of carbon without much nitrogen.




If i dig to the middle of a really old pile will it be more nitrate containing? Could i possibly treat the poo with a nitrate salt containing solution? Possibly like a potassium nitrate, or sodium nitrate.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Wojo]
    #4101272 - 04/27/05 02:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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If i dig to the middle of a really old pile will it be more nitrate containing? Could i possibly treat the poo with a nitrate salt containing solution? Possibly like a potassium nitrate, or sodium nitrate.


No,theres no substitute for compost.Nitrogen is not nitrate related.If you read up on composting you will have a much better understanding of the relationship between nitrogen and carbon and how they work together to form compost.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Wojo]
    #4101294 - 04/27/05 02:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Like the Scatman said, use the crap that has been aged; rained on and sun dried and rained on again. Compost may be better, but you'll be so pleased with the results from weathered horse dung that you won't care.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: dog]
    #4101863 - 04/27/05 08:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thank's everyone for your help, i am gonna grab some of the poo from a newer pile (within last year). And some right from the horse stalls, keep em seperate and try them both. Ill post the results.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Wojo]
    #4102690 - 04/27/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I really wouldnt bother with the fresh stuff, but if you do, make sure you leech it for 24 hours. This is really no weathering, but it helps to get rid of the urine (a reason to go for the weathered poo). Fresh poo requires you to weather it first...why bother?


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: starspawn2]
    #4102860 - 04/27/05 03:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)




Either way,new or old,its still not composted.P.cubes do grow on non composted substrates but they do better on composted substrates.When fresh manure is left in the sun it loses most of the nitrogen.If fresh manure is put in a compost pile it will retain the nitrogen making it available for the future.Sun dried manure is no better then straw,lots of carbon without much nitrogen.




You are wrong, in this instance.

N content varies from which hores ass it came from dependent on many variables (age/condition/feed,climate, etc).

The ideal N content for this application is 2.7%.

Fresh horse manure will have an N content & ammonia higher than desired.

Fresh horse manure contains a high percentage of bacteria / microbial content. So high, unless perfectly pasturized the resulting substrate may become contaminated with bacterial type rot.

If composted to the degree it has lost it's fiber like appearance & consistancy, it becomes soil like (soil = mud when hydrated to feild capacity).

If dried & weathered sufficently, a large percentage of the bacteria & microbes it contains dies. Those dead microbes result in IDEAL food (lipids / protein)for mushroon myc. The fiber contributes needed cellulose in a degraded stage (far better than uncomposted straw).

Ideal horse manure substrate has been weather leached by exposure to rain & sun drying. It should look about like the picture below.

Note most nuggets & muffins remain semi intact.

It should have no URINE/AMMONIA or FECAL small at all.

That is SWEET H/POO.


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: agar]
    #4102893 - 04/27/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4103864 - 04/27/05 08:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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N content varies from which hores ass it came from




what do you have to feed the whore to give it high nitrogen poop?


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Re: new poo or old? [Re: Abermelin]
    #4103886 - 04/27/05 08:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Abermelin said:
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N content varies from which hores ass it came from




what do you have to feed the whore to give it high nitrogen poop?




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