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Extraction methods for mushrooms?
    #4100041 - 04/26/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i've been browsing, can't find much. i've read what someone had written using ethyl alcohol, but then someone countered that in a comment saying that psilocybin/psilocin is not soluble in alcohol, although it is in water. hmmm... any help or links would be appreciated


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4100052 - 04/26/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4100642 - 04/26/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

nm, i found all the information i needed on mycoptia.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4100643 - 04/26/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Since we're on the subject, would anyone share experiences extraction. I remember the PF extraction tech, and have read the water extraction theories, but, never heard any first-hand experiences with psylo-extraction.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: psick_psimon]
    #4101107 - 04/27/05 02:02 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

All i can say is I saw it once as a brown goo. I have seen pictures of it supposedly percipitating as crystals highproof drinking (ethyl?) alcohol that was heated and then cooled in a bottle.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Darkie]
    #4101643 - 04/27/05 04:34 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Just heating it and cooling it won't do it. Certain other factors have to be at play, mainly concentration of alkaloids in solution. If the solution is saturated or near saturated at warm temps, then crystals *should* precipitate when the temp is lowered. So, if you have a solution that is nowhere near saturated, then heating and cooling it's not going to precipate anything. ya dig?


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4102143 - 04/27/05 11:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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...is not soluble in alcohol, although it is in water...




Correct me if I'm wrong but I had the impression that if X is soluble in H2O then X will be soluble in C2H5OH as well.

This may well be untrue for certain values of X.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: debianlinux]
    #4104385 - 04/27/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not necessarily true. You get goofy things happening when X is a zwitterion, having both a positive functional group and a negative functional group, a la psilocybin. It turns out that psilocybin is best soluble in a azeotropic mixture of methanol and water, with solubility dropping as the methanol purity increases.

Now this is not from personal experience, as I have never tried to extract psilocybin, but from other people's works on the matter, and stuff from o-chem class.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Shmoppy McGillicuddy]
    #4105621 - 04/28/05 02:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not sure about the heating and cooling, the different processes which to take. the basic tek is to grind an oz or so and place them in about a pint of ethyl alcohol, let it sit, some will evaporate, strain once or twice and you're left with 300ml or so of the alc. that comes to a little more than 1g per 10ml. is it much more complicated? i haven't tried this yet, but it seems like people mess with a simple perfection when they try other alternatives - as i've heard great things just from the basic tekguide.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4105692 - 04/28/05 02:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

the only reason for heating would be to boil away the everclear, which would make the solution much more concentrated. add less initially would be an alternative i guess, or boil with everclear...disaster apon your doorstep


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4105828 - 04/28/05 04:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think the basic point of doing mushroom extractions is that you are almost invariably going to end up with some kind of oil/resin unless you are very skilled and have access to some good equipment. See here for 2 failed attempts using a method which has been used to obtain nearly pure psilocin crystals:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4084169/an/0/page/1

I think in most cases you have to be content with loss of product and an impure product. If anyone has obtained crystals in their own house, I'm all ears--tell me how you did it. But so far all I've heard is "I tried such and such extraction tek and I got a pea sized ball of green/brown/black gum/resin/oil..."


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4107178 - 04/28/05 03:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No. I tried the just-let-em-sit-in-alcohol extraction and it did not work. The stuff is more soluble at higher temperatures, If you're going to filter the leftover mush out, you want the product to be a disolved as possible so you're not filtering it out. Plus the energy going in helps the extraction I would imagine.

Really boiling alcohol is no problem. a container in a pan of water, If it catches it will just burn blue and you blow it out.. or smother it, I seriously doubt anyone but Norman Wisdom could wind up with any kind of explosion, serious fire type incident.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Hambo]
    #4127592 - 05/03/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps of some interest:
"The occurrence and extraction of indole derivatives in six species from four genera of higher fungi were investigated. By using pure methanol for extraction of the mushrooms analysis revealed the highest concentrations of psilocybin and baeocystin. The psilocin content of the species was higher by using aqueous solutions of alcohols than with methanol alone but was an artificial phenomenon caused by enzymatic destruction of psilocybin. The extraction with dilute acetic acid yielded better results than with the water containing alcohols. The simple one-step procedure with methanol for the quantitative extraction is still the safest method to obtain the genuine alkaloids from fungal biomass." - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...st_uids=8207663

Looks like straight methanol will do the job just fine. Grind it, soak it, filter - done! (Anyone want to test? :smile:)


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: _JJ_]
    #4127927 - 05/03/05 03:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It's been done many times. The problem is that methanol also gets out a lot of other stuff and you're left with a blob of 25-50% pure shit.

[Edit: well, not shit : ) Still good stuff, but it's all about the crystal isn't it? : )


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: _JJ_]
    #4138504 - 05/05/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I tried once with pure methanol with very poor results. I didn't want to risk boiling the methanol so I tried to drive it off with constant fanning. Apparently the methanol absorbed a lot of water hygroscopically and all I was left with was a puddle of blue water with very few actives left.

To anyone who's boiled the methanol off, any estimates on the percent of actives broken down during the process? Maybe including an anti-oxidant (e.g. vitamin C) would help?


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: Godspeed]
    #4148879 - 05/08/05 01:54 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've done extractions with denatured alcohol that I picked up at the local drug store. Ground and soaked for 12 - 24 hours shaking or stirring often. Strain and evaporate under a fan in a glass pie pan until dry. Usually around 12 hours depends on the amount of alcohol. Denatured alcohol has a percentage of water in it when drying the alcohol burns of quickly but the remaining water takes a while. When it is completely dry scrape it up with a razorblades. It should be light brown in color and crystalline yet slightly gummy texture. Like brown sugar. I put this into gel-caps and it works great!!! It will absorb moister over time and is best if used relatively soon. I haven't noticed much loss of potency and it is a very clean high with no stomach irritations. Works for me!!! Hope that helps.


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: lovepalace]
    #4150876 - 05/08/05 08:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

would a tenth of a gram get you going or what would be the recomended dose i like to eat about an eighth of shrooms at a time


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Re: Extraction methods for mushrooms? [Re: rojeee]
    #4150913 - 05/08/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know the weight of a gel-cap but generally for every 1/8 oz. i get one gel. Most of the time it's just the right amount. I found that you get much better consistency between pills if you extract at least one ounce at a time.


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