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OfflineadeptMind
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What is Faith?
    #4100037 - 04/26/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

So...

I have been troubled with this question for some time and decided to return to this site in search of answers.

What is Faith?

- a restraint of personal freedom of thought?

or

- an facilitator, through which we can put aside the smaller questions and thus opens to 'higher' meanings of life?

I assumed that I would not have to elaborate more at this point, but if something is not clear, please point this out and I shall further explain my point.


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: adeptMind]
    #4100056 - 04/26/05 08:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

As I see it; there are two types of faith:

1. Religious blind belief.

2. The knowledge that a path followed (as demonstrated by others and based on scientific principles) will give a desired result.

Example: The fat, sloppy couch potato has faith that if he strictly follows the rules of diet and exercise, he WILL transform his body.


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: adeptMind]
    #4100060 - 04/26/05 08:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Faith is Awareness to a "Higher Potential Wisdom".... 
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When/IF We ALL figure "it" out, WE ALL figure it out - then we are all "out/in"....  :wink:


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pala's old raja: [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4100433 - 04/26/05 10:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

from his little book:

_Notes on What's What, and What It Might be Reasonable to Do about What's What_




"Give us this day our daily Faith, but deliver us, dear God, from Belief"




(excerpted from aldous huxley's _island_)

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Re: What is Faith? [Re: Swami]
    #4100441 - 04/26/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm very sorry... I guess I forgot to explain that I do not in any sense mean religious Faith.

The question stands for the Couch-guy Faith


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: adeptMind]
    #4100495 - 04/26/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Faith is a specific attitude. It is an attitude of openness, directed at a source of action that exists independently of the subject. So, to dovetail on Swami's response, faith could be in scientifically demonstrable principles, i.e., laws of nature (physical, chemical, biological or combinations of these levels). Faith can also be directed towards non-empirical principles that seem to operate without predictable cause-effect parameters - things deemed paranormal on one level and things deemed spiritual on yet another level, such as the workings of the Tao, or GOD, or even Fate (that which is 'meant to be' because it IS). Throwing an apple up knowing that it will fall back down illustrates the former natural lawfulness, but the non-empiricle phenomena might require very long periods of time relative to a human life in order to see the patterns that amount to 'spiritual lawfulness' e.g., karma.

I for one can only speculate on this, but there have always been those people who hold such views that these 'spiritual laws' transcend the span of individual human lives, but perhaps are initiated by an individual in one lifetime, and has an effect on another human being in another lifetime. Some peoples have connected the 'essence' of those people (as in reincarnation) others have considered the connection being made to one's offspring or further generations, or to one's tribe or group. One might have to live a thousand years to have the necessary perspective to see lawfulness in psychic or spiritual domains, or rely on certain types of insight that seem to transcend the boundaries of linear time.

Faith in one's senses and one's rational mind is not the full meaning behind the word faith. The data that is available to these functions is basic animality - the animal 'soul' in the classic sense. Intuition is a faculty that approaches faith in that it often borders on true psychic abilities which are a form of knowing without the use of the five senses. When this kind of apprehension of Reality is applied to 'big' or transcendental questions, sometimes there are 'answers' in the form of Knowing (but often without content - just a sense of 'certitude' as the result of the inquiry). This is faith in its most spiritual meaning. It may operate parallel to the workings of our sensory apprehensions, it may be contradicted by sense, but it may still determine the values that one holds for the life of sense.


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4100608 - 04/26/05 11:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Faith is the "Will to Believe" (William James).


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: shroomydan]
    #4100669 - 04/26/05 11:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Faith is the belief in a person, idea, or thing. It is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.


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Re: What is Faith? [Re: chinadoll]
    #4100798 - 04/27/05 12:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=faith

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
synonym see BELIEF
- in faith : without doubt or question : VERILY

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from _devil's dictionary_ (ambrose bierce): [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4101874 - 04/27/05 08:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.


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Re: from _devil's dictionary_ (ambrose bierce): [Re: gnrm23]
    #4102106 - 04/27/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

For every action there is a reaction. Faith is the reaction. The action is fear.


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Re: from _devil's dictionary_ (ambrose bierce): [Re: Shroomerious]
    #4102254 - 04/27/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think it is an attitude or mental posture.

In this mental posture one assumes rather than questions.
it is very useful for keeping the attention on something.
one can get good at it and it can support a personal quest.

Using faith one can cross great expanses of unknown territory, but faith can outlive it's usefulness when you get to the other shore.

I think it is best to have a kind of faith that you can create or manifest without burden, use expeditiously, and then discard without shame.


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Re: from _devil's dictionary_ (ambrose bierce): [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4102262 - 04/27/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I think it is an attitude or mental posture.

In this mental posture one assumes rather than questions.
it is very useful for keeping the attention on something.
one can get good at it and it can support a personal quest.

Using faith one can cross great expanses of unknown territory, but faith can outlive it's usefulness when you get to the other shore.

I think it is best to have a kind of faith that you can create or manifest without burden, use expeditiously, and then discard without shame.




Thats excellent. I agree , this is how faith should be used.


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