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The anti-Swami thread.
#4099979 - 04/26/05 05:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seeing as how some people have a gripe with Swami, might as well collect it all in one post.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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It all boils down to: "Don't mess with my delicate illusions lest they fall apart like ancient parchment."
Those irritated by my words have yet to master the "IGNORE" function. To remedy this, there will be a one hour course tonight at 10PM PCT.
-------------------- The proof is in the pudding.
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No gripes hear.... But wondering why you would want to collect "gripes" in the first place....? . I personally think Swami is a clever Soul with a lot of Spirit - just as you.... But then, I can see thru the words....
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4100055 - 04/26/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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It all boils down to you boiling down things like you just did
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OldWoodSpecter said: It all boils down to you boiling down things like you just did
. Hhhhmmmm, and all this time, I thought it all boiled down to noodles....
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Hmmm, the Swam is accused of having a BIG ego, yet takes no offense at ANYONE'S posts unless they are dangerous to others or are outright slander.
The accusers are offended because they are stuck in ego. Typical hypocrisy. When this is pointed out the attackers get twice as angry even though it is only their own reflection they are barking at.
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eMotionALLmotion said: No gripes hear.... But wondering why you would want to collect "gripes" in the first place....? . I personally think Swami is a clever Soul with a lot of Spirit - just as you.... But then, I can see thru the words.... :shrug
Welcome back e Motion. How was your trip?
Hey everyone has their part to play and their perspective. Maybe some people would like to see Swami go away because he rains on their parade. But they are full of bull if they can't defend their position to all comers. I agree with him a lot and when I don't, in the end he's just another poster at the Shroomery.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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When was Swam accused of having a big ego?
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IMHO, this place needs someone like Swami, who asks the questions that should be asked, so no gripes here...
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Le_Canard]
#4100122 - 04/26/05 06:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whenever someone complains about swamy it is assumed that this person is some kind of a new age follower believing in dolphins and complaining that swami doesnt believe in ghosts or something. It has nothing to do with that.
I complain about Swami's blind faith
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I wanted to collect them to get over with, as I'm tired of reading it, and I figure if it's all collected, all the bitching will die with the thread .
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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If EGO is the root of fear, some would have nothing to say or "gripe" about openly without something to specifically "seed" their thoughts of Ego driven opposition.... Since Swami's perspectives are the "Seeds" to other's "gripes", each gripe inturn waters a "Swami Seed" - giving life to a blooming perspective, and thus planting more seeds.... . Somewhat "Cyclic" if you think about it.... Nothing really "dies"....
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Swami seeds... great stuff.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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Quote:
Whenever someone complains about swamy it is assumed that this person is some kind of a new age follower believing in dolphins
I believe in dolphins. I've seen them myself. Does this make me a New Age follower?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ravus]
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"I believe in dolphins. I've seen them myself." Bullshit. Dolphins are just a bunch of new age hokum...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4100650 - 04/26/05 09:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I beg to differ. Dolphins not only exist, but they are quite tasty when properly prepared.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Autonomous]
#4100663 - 04/26/05 09:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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So are whales...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4100748 - 04/26/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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And Manatee with Spotted Owl stuffing!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Diploid]
#4100772 - 04/26/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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"tuna-fish" sandwiches for everyone!
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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i hear dolphins are a good lay too
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: fresh313]
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i hear dolphins are a good lay too
Pervert!!!
Really? where'd you hear that? Can you point me to a link??
[looks around with shifty eyes and a grin]
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Diploid]
#4100906 - 04/26/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are two things you give your children; one is roots, the other is wings.
Then laugh as they are ripped in two.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4100960 - 04/26/05 11:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: There are two things you give your children; one is roots, the other is wings. . Then laugh as they are ripped in two.
. And "duality" is born....? . (Note, Roots and Wings can serve for stability in their respective environments....)
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If you ground the roots to the self source then you can fly all you want with your wings and not get "ripped in two".
Besides, the human spirit can stretch itself from the core to infinitude when the shackles are removed.
All this new agey airy fairy talk about grounding to mother earth and the others about grounding to the material reality is bahooey. "Mother earth" doesn't need any ones help and mother earth is not our ground source unless you believe the Bible about being made from its clay. If you do, knock your socks off or get them knocked off when the lightening strikes. "mother earth" isn't biased and will slap any ones ass who gets in her way. The material plane is a weak source to ground to and will let your ass get burned time and time again if you choose it.
Our heart centers are the source to ground out to if you want maximum grounding potential and results. Placing your ground outside of yourself is how you will be dualised and ripped apart.
This has been a friendly message from your neighborhood grounding broad cast station. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program of ripping swami apart and dolphin sex.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: i hear dolphins are a good lay too
Pervert!!!
Really? where'd you hear that? Can you point me to a link??
[looks around with shifty eyes and a grin]
http://www.sexwork.com/family/dolphins1.html
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Yeah, I didn't put a lot of thought into that response.... . I actually consider "Roots" to be a metaphor for interconnectedness of family, friends, and strangers - all people.... Not "ground" roots - like a tree.... But in a way, similar to a tree's root system, as a metaphor for connectedness.... . With my first metaphor, A good strong root system of interconnectedness that one builds will hold strong when it is time to "fly" with wings so high....
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: The_Hobbit]
#4101182 - 04/27/05 12:16 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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hobbitcg said:
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Diploid said: i hear dolphins are a good lay too
Pervert!!!
Really? where'd you hear that? Can you point me to a link??
[looks around with shifty eyes and a grin]
http://www.sexwork.com/family/dolphins1.html
That's just wrong.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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i like swami but sometimes i think he is too skeptical.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4101522 - 04/27/05 01:51 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could tell some stories...
Heh,
But, I won't...
The Swam, he is the shit. Period.
He is the man.
He posts to the annoyance of UNIVERSAL Moderators (Ain't honesty a bitch, Swam?)!
He can't get Modded, only because the Admin fear he will be a problem.
Hmmmm.....
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Deviate]
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but sometimes i think he is too skeptical
I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?
Explain.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Rose]
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He posts to the annoyance of UNIVERSAL Moderators (Ain't honesty a bitch, Swam?)!
NO TRUTH SEEKER has anything to fear from me. Truth cannot be damaged. Only lies need to scurry into the dark corners where they are (or think they are) well-hidden.
I truly do not understand anyone's problem with my posts unless they are being dishonest with themselves; then it is not me with whom they have the problem.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: (Ain't honesty a bitch, Swam?)! Hmmm.....
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: The_Hobbit]
#4101777 - 04/27/05 03:59 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.sexwork.com/family/dolphins1.html
Gawd... only on the shroomery!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?
Dam rabble-rouser!
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Rose]
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There is no truth for a skeptic, only doubt. Swami has to learn not to try to impose his insecurities and doubts directly or indirectly onto others. From his doubtful perspective I don't wonder why he thinks he is so right. The way he sees it is that others should learn not to let him impose himself unto others...regardless of his attitude. The truth is that there's no need to insult, create havoc or just be a menace in this forum because you don't agree. Learn to disagree in a more peaceful way and you'll see that people will want to listen to you more. If you don't agree just don't bash others while disagreeing. The reason why you create such a strong reaction on others is not because you make groundbreaking points, it's your reckless ways.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said: NO TRUTH SEEKER has anything to fear from me. Truth cannot be damaged. Only lies need to scurry into the dark corners where they are (or think they are) well-hidden.
Truth, lies, fear ... all it matters here is debating and trying to learn something from it, the rest, the most important things are to find within your self. Your opinions are mostly logical validations, excellent ones. Nevertheless and as any reasoning leaning only to the logical side, they lack soul ... You can find many explanations to many questions within yourself, but truth is an answer of the soul. Many truths are well hidden Swami, others might look as lies to you and to many people, but you should let your soul lighten up those dark corners .
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
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Solidly faithless, he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number; dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.
Any fabrication can be rationalized into being the truth. To some this is an art.
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I'm missing the S&P in this, back in the old days these types of posts would have recieved a warning for beeing of topic/thread/forum.
Just a side note btw..
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Fliquid]
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You're right, but one has to live the oddity of the moment now and then . Besides skeptics/believers, we have to make some room for some characters egos, some bigger, some smaller ...
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: wandrnshaman]
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wandrnshaman said: Solidly faithless, he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number; dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.
Apparently some people have broad misconceptions of exactly what spirituality means...
Peace.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: wandrnshaman]
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wandrnshaman said: Solidly faithless, he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number; dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.
Any fabrication can be rationalized into being the truth. To some this is an art.
Sorry I don't see Swami as faithless. He has faith in himself. He believes what he believes from his own perception of his experience. If one doesn't like his view it can be easily passed over.
Your defination of Spiritual seems narrow and within "acceptable" defination. I think every fuckin thing in the whole Goddamned Universe is Spiritual. That means Swami!
You give him supernatural powers, when saying he stamps out "hopefull" ideas. How are they so profound if he has the power to so easily destroy them.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Why come here unless you want debate? This isn't some place to get mollycoddled, stick cushions out for each other and all cooo at each other ? go to your grandmother?s for that and munch a few of her cookies. To debate one needs someone who proposes the opposite, or something tangential, to ones statement.
Debating is a challenge.
If you can't handle the heat....get off the boards. I mean 'anti' is pretty pathetic if you ask me. Why don?t you just stand up for yourselves in the arena? Or at least not care what anyone else says if you feel so sure of your ?truth?.
What a ridiculous thread. If Swami had started an Anti-*insert your name here* thread it would have been howled off the boards.
Big up to Swami
I like you big guy (but you know that )
edit: soz Icelander - this wasn't meant to address you, it was meant to be addressed to the original post and those who feel 'anti' swami.
Edited by CJay (04/27/05 10:31 AM)
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fireworks_god said:
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wandrnshaman said: Solidly faithless, he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number; dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.
Apparently some people have broad misconceptions of exactly what spirituality means...
Peace.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: i like swami but sometimes i think he is too skeptical.
I posit that Swami is not skeptical enough. His skepticism seems to be limited to that which is outside currently generally accepted scientific theory. Why the apparent unquestioning faith in scientific establishment dogma?
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What gets me is his ignorance.
He states he doesn't believe in something then when you provide evidence he just ignores it and keeps stating that you are wrong and have no proof.
Don't believe me? Check out Swarmi being nailed into a corner and having no escape but complete ignorance of all my questions. I ask him like 30 times to justify his beliefs or answer the question! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3707314/page//fpart/all/vc/1
Swarmi don't claim to be an unbiased skeptic when really you have deluded yourself with your own opinions, like us all. This is why you are said to have a big ego, because you believe you own opinion to the core and repeatedly state that you believe others to be less 'diligent' than you.
If you are so diligent, then follow the path of open-minded-ness or continue to be controlled by your deluded beliefs.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Autonomous]
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Yes, its a 'stick with the sheep' technique. Everybody knows that if you follow the general consensus you will get the majority on your side.
Its exactly this type of thinking that prevents science from progressing. We stigmatise ghosts and UFO's because we are scared of them. Scared so we stigmatise so that they are not talked about, not accepted. We throw stones at them calling them 'witches' because we do not understand.
I am the exact opposite of this. I go against the grain. I stand out and speak for the truth when everyone is wrong. I accept the concequences of societies dislike. I sacrafice being liked by everyone for being honest with what I sense.
I'm not saying that either outlook makes that person any better but that if somebody didn't stand out then we would of never of progressed. Man would still believe that cracking a nut with a stone to be the best tecnique!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ego Death]
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Hurrah for Swami!
Huzzah for drama!
Yay for aliens from the Pleiades travelling through spatial hyperspace from the 5th dimension!
Sex with dolphins
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ego Death]
#4102543 - 04/27/05 11:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I looked at the tread. Glanced really, so maybe I missed something.
Once again Swami just has an opinion like each and everyone else here. If you want to put a lot of weight to his comments, of course that's your choice. When I read him I either agree or disagree. If it's worth it. I'll debate it. I fear him not. I respect him a lot. I also realize that no one knows it all. We all have good and not so good arguments for our beliefs. And that is all they are. I'm so impressed that this man, can push so many buttons. I usu sally feel that when that happens he's on the right track. I think Swami is a very Spiritual person. That's why he continues to express his beliefs in spite of everyones feelings toward him. Very few have the courage of their convictions to this extent. This in no way makes him right or wrong. He is on a path toward his own intellectual, emotional, spiritual, evolution. Sometimes I agree with your posts and sometimes not. I don't waste my energy busting your chops over it. It really isn't important. Loving each other unconditionally is important and the hardest thing to do. That means I don't have to take anything personally. Why, really are you so angry about him? Understanding that would be worth more than, weather he's an asshole or not or weather there are aliens or not.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Well I looked at the tread. Glanced really, so maybe I missed something.
Once again Swami just has an opinion like each and everyone else here. If you want to put a lot of weight to his comments, of course that's your choice. When I read him I either agree or disagree. If it's worth it. I'll debate it. I fear him not. I respect him a lot. I also realize that no one knows it all. We all have good and not so good arguments for our beliefs. And that is all they are. I'm so impressed that this man, can push so many buttons. I usu sally feel that when that happens he's on the right track. I think Swami is a very Spiritual person. That's why he continues to express his beliefs in spite of everyones feelings toward him. Very few have the courage of their convictions to this extent. This in no way makes him right or wrong. He is on a path toward his own intellectual, emotional, spiritual, evolution. Sometimes I agree with your posts and sometimes not. I don't waste my energy busting your chops over it. It really isn't important. Loving each other unconditionally is important and the hardest thing to do. That means I don't have to take anything personally. Why, really are you so angry about him? Understanding that would be worth more than, weather he's an asshole or not or weather there are aliens or not.
Wise words my friend. Unconditional Love is what we need.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Shroomism]
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Huh?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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I just saw this thread and my first impulse was to dump it. Had this thread been started by Swami and directed at almost anybody else, that person... along with most of the forum... would have been screaming for Swami's head. I find such a double standard both sad and very disturbing. I do not see how it is fine to bash Swami, "in good spirit" of course, but it is a sin against all that is holy for Swami to bash bad arguments. If our faith is so fragile that it breaks when Swami tickles it, then there is a problem with us and our faith, now with Swami.
Nobody is perfect. Swami has flaws just as I do, but that doesn't give me the right to attack him because he doesn't view the world the same way that I do. I might not always like his style, but I respect his opinions.
I cannot speak for others, but rather than worry about Swami's ego I am going to worry about my own for a bit.
... Swami, my respect for your maturity went up a notch after this... there aren't a lot of people that can take a bashing (not just this post) and continue on without lashing out.
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Delusion_of_Self said: I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.
You aren't "supposed" to do anything. That's just your subjective beliefs on right and wrong. Other people choose to be hurt by words. If they have low self esteem than anything anyone says can devastate them. But "saving" them from these words will not help them and can do them a disservice. We all need to learn how to love ourselves the way we are. One will always need to deal with the words of the world. Way too many humans are afraid of the words of others and so give up their freedom by lack of courage and self regard.
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Delusion_of_Self said: I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.
By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Autonomous]
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Why the apparent unquestioning faith in scientific establishment dogma?
The key word here is "apparent". While science occasionally is discussed here; it is not the main thrust.
AND - while I have TOTAL FAITH in the scientific method of inquiry (properly applied - it is NEVER WRONG), I do not accept all scientific and medical dogma at face value.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Delusion_of_Self said: I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.
By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change.
There's a different between bashing to help and bashing because you lack understanding and don't aprove. I'm not talking about agreement, just understanding. If you were to teach your son that fire burns would you burn his arm? or would you help him through understanding? I still don't agree with you or some of Swami's ways --be it for good or not-- but I respect his right... but his right ends where mine begins.
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By the way I do not condone the anti-Swami thread or discrimination in anyway. I have always tried to make him see that he is too hard on others. You can blind yourself into believing is all for the sake of good, but truly, is it?
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I'm actually begining to like Swami more and more... I think he just needs a hug.
He has good, logical and rational arguments. If your [insert topic here] is never challenged, it can't grow and reach its full potential.
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Delusion_of_Self said: I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.
By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change.
There's a different between bashing to help and bashing because you lack understanding and don't aprove. I'm not talking about agreement, just understanding. If you were to teach your son that fire burns would you burn his arm? or would you help him through understanding? I still don't agree with you or some of Swami's ways --be it for good or not-- but I respect his right... but his right ends where mine begins.
How can you judge anothers intentions? The very fact that you are offended by him points to s problem inherent in yoursaelf. Nothing is hurt except the ego,he isnt making insulting comments about anyone, nor is he damaging anything, he is merley challenging concepts, what is so awful about that? What do you mean by "Where his right ends mine beings", is this implying that you are somehow mor important or rightious than he?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Many here ask how I can be so eogotistical to feel that I am nearly always right and that is a fair question. The answer is equally simple.
Experience, research and historical reinforcement (perspective).
The pyramid power nuts of 30 years ago have all but faded away. The popular "Secret Life of Plants" and "Chariots of the Gods" have been totally debunked. The 8mm Bigfoot film, the faerie and Nessie photographs were all ADMITTED frauds. Roswell turned out to be a top-secret mogul balloon. The Harmonic Covergence failed to converge (as will the 2012 hocum). Gulf Breeze UFOs and The Marfa Lights and the Phoenix Lights were exposed.
People wailed and moaned when I pissed on the "Face on Mars" and the alleged nearby Martian City. NASA confirmed what I ALWAYS stated: It was a trick of light run through the pattern-recognition filter of the human brain.
And on and on. NOT ONE SINGLE PARANORMAL claim has EVER been shown to be true. That is unlikely to change. EVERY SINGLE PERSON taking a SWAMI CHALLENGE has failed to deliver. (Shroomism: could use that herb for my upcoming 50th birthday bash in June!)
You see folks, I was once the wide-eyed young believer, but it is hard to keep up that position with ZERO reinforcement.
I have demonstrated time and time again how people are easily tricked. Do I know "THE ANSWERS"? Not even close, but I do know "THE QUESTIONS"!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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"I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?"
well i agree with the poster that said your skepticism seemed limited to that which is outside generally accepted scientific theory.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: mygodisme]
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I'm actually begining to like Swami more and more... I think he just needs a hug.
Without clothes and covered by vegetable oil? *whips out Barry White CD*
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Am I judging his intentions? Or am I trying to make him see that there's no need to create havoc or to indirectly or directly trash others belief regardless of personal views in that matter. I know he is conscious of his actions...there's no doubt about that.
Nothing is hurt but the ego? So it makes it right? I can't see the logic or love in that. Didn't you once posted that all beings are susceptible to pain? Should we inflict pain onto others just because is the mere ego who is getting hurt?
His rights end where my begins is to say in other words that we are all equals... we are all equal in rights. When a man violates the rights of others he is basically violating the equality. He is putting himself above others as if we all were less.
I never said I was free from problems or that I am completely correct? I do recognize my mistakes. And regardless of Swami's ways, his criticism (there's a difference between constructive or destructive) I feel the need to apologize for the joke I made yesterday and my comment regarding racket ball and his philosophy. I was thinking about that for a while since I said it. And now seems like the right time.
My apologies Swami!
I still don't condone some of your ways. Continue as you will as I've said all I needed to say.
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By the way I'm not saying that he has hurt me in anyway...But I do see others here being belittled based on their beliefs as he has tried the same with me. Is not based on my pain but his ways. I think Swami would be far more enriching if he would be more kind...I know...it is me...continue as you were...
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Sure! As long as you also supply some other fun stuff =)
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said: but sometimes i think he is too skeptical
I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?
Explain.
you should not accept things either way.. you can never be sure of anything, you can go 80% in one direction or another, but you seem to often be 100$ sure of things. Human beings do not have the possibility of being 100% sure of anything
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Delusion_of_Self said: You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?
Maybe, but I don't think so. I think still, that words only do to us what we want them to. Swami never hurt anyone here, EVER , to my knowledge. And yes I talk about Love. Unconditional love. Without condition, weather I like you or not, I realize what you say is just your personality structure, and not who you really are in total. You are life itself, expressing itself. It doesn't further my living to mistrust life. I disagree with you and yet I know I might be the one who is wrong. I am not addicted to being right. I would like it though. That's the love I'm talking about. Not making decisions for how others should feel. I trust that they get everything they need from existence for their growth and are capable of that growth. I will not try to second guess what's good for others. I don't need to protect them from their life and their lessons. Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Maybe, but I don't think so. I think still, that words only do to us what we want them to. Swami never hurt anyone here, EVER , to my knowledge. And yes I talk about Love. Unconditional love. Without condition, weather I like you or not, I realize what you say is just your personality structure, and not who you really are in total. You are life itself, expressing itself. It doesn't further my living to mistrust life. I disagree with you and yet I know I might be the one who is wrong. I am not addicted to being right. I would like it though. That's the love I'm talking about. Not making decisions for how others should feel. I trust that they get everything they need from existence for their growth and are capable of that growth. I will not try to second guess what's good for others. I don't need to protect them from their life and their lessons. Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice?
I seond this post, youve summed up my feeling exactly. This has saved me a few minutes of typing
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Hopefully people read this post and don't take everything so personally .
~Giving it a philosophical element so the mods don't get to pissed off .
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Delusion_of_Self said: You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?
Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice?
Yes I can. Did I say otherwise? That is the nature of misinterpretation.
EDIT: When I meant you are arguing what I'm not this is exactly what I meant.
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Edited by Delusion_of_Self (04/27/05 02:41 PM)
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Every six months or so, the forum does one of these types of threads and then we gather around a fire, roast marshmellows, drop some E, hold hands and sing:
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya
Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbayah
Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya
Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya
Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya
Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya Oh lord, kumbaya
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4103090 - 04/27/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol
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Ok, I will give in and agree that Swami should be crucified.
Place and time to be determined after discussion. RSVP.
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Swami said: but sometimes i think he is too skeptical
I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?
Explain.
you should not accept things either way.. you can never be sure of anything, you can go 80% in one direction or another, but you seem to often be 100$ sure of things. Human beings do not have the possibility of being 100% sure of anything
Everybody telling Swami how he should feel. If Swami wants to think he's 100% sure, let him think that. I love all the power that he is given here. He must be in his glory and having a laugh at the same time. I've never witnessed anything like it on any of the forums I frequent.
It's a fucking phenomena.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
#4103212 - 04/27/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Adoration and insult have about the same effect. My "power" does not come from without.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4103224 - 04/27/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4103232 - 04/27/05 03:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: Adoration and insult have about the same effect. My "power" does not come from without.
Right! Your power is from within. They are giving up their power. You have nothing to do with that. Which is the point I have been working on here.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
#4103243 - 04/27/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Egg, I want to get stoned with you and watch VP's notoriously bad, "The Last Man on Earth".
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4103357 - 04/27/05 03:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't give him any ideas.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
#4103520 - 04/27/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4103606 - 04/27/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: but sometimes i think he is too skeptical
I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?
Explain.
Asking questions is bad. The government told me so.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Jellric]
#4104014 - 04/27/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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hahahahahahhahah Swami is tha shit!
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Why make such a big deal about Swami? He just seems to be light-hearted and cuddly to me. He asks a few questions, sometimes in almost a Socratic way, but all that really does is stimulate conversation for the most part. Only those with weak arguments and strong egos get offended by a few questions and pointing out of contradictions.
I think the only reason anyone's "anti-Swami" is because Swami asks enough questions to dispel the illusion of some that this forum is just a place to post arbitrarily created New Age beliefs that have no evidence and just receive a few supporting comments from some yes men. Actually asking questions, pointing out absurd elements and providing other explanations is beyond the comprehension of some who think that philosophy is just a game of who can make up the most annoying belief and still have followers.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ravus]
#4105902 - 04/28/05 04:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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People naturally don't like to have their assumptions/beliefs challenged, which Swami appears to be very good at doing. He seems to be providing an essential service to the forum, ideas need to be scrutinised, otherwise it would simply be a free-for-all egofest, with the most persistent loud person always prevailing. Having to justify your beliefs sort of prevents that in a way.
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I like Swami.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
#4106178 - 04/28/05 08:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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What qualefies as truth?
Why do you trust NASA over...say...me?
I like Swami too, if we didn't have a creative critter like him, this forum would be boring, and I would have nowhere to put my sarcastic remarks.
I just question his questioning, and I also question the logic he deems as the truth. As it should be, I suspect.
Anyway, I think that nessie and ufo's and face on mars may all be tricks or frauds of some sorts, but what the fuck does that have to do with spirituality and philosophy?
I can't see anything spiritual about parading around claiming that we're all the same nutjob that Swami saw on some twisted discovery documentary, commenting about a ten feet hairy gorilla called sasquatch - yet my eyes and foolish illusions perhaps decieve me.
Anyway anyway.
Swami, I have a suggestion: Start a thread about something you like, something you enjoy, something with content. Lay the truth on us.
And I don't mean "tear down the fabric of some grand illusion" truth, that is just refute - I mean real insight as to what it *is* rather than what it is not. If possible.
I would enjoy that.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: slaphappy]
#4106461 - 04/28/05 10:24 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey I was just thinking the same thing last night. I would love to know you better Swami.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4106549 - 04/28/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: Many here ask how I can be so eogotistical to feel that I am nearly always right and that is a fair question. The answer is equally simple.
Experience, research and historical reinforcement (perspective).
The pyramid power nuts of 30 years ago have all but faded away. The popular "Secret Life of Plants" and "Chariots of the Gods" have been totally debunked. The 8mm Bigfoot film, the faerie and Nessie photographs were all ADMITTED frauds. Roswell turned out to be a top-secret mogul balloon. The Harmonic Covergence failed to converge (as will the 2012 hocum). Gulf Breeze UFOs and The Marfa Lights and the Phoenix Lights were exposed.
People wailed and moaned when I pissed on the "Face on Mars" and the alleged nearby Martian City. NASA confirmed what I ALWAYS stated: It was a trick of light run through the pattern-recognition filter of the human brain.
And on and on. NOT ONE SINGLE PARANORMAL claim has EVER been shown to be true. That is unlikely to change. EVERY SINGLE PERSON taking a SWAMI CHALLENGE has failed to deliver. (Shroomism: could use that herb for my upcoming 50th birthday bash in June!)
You see folks, I was once the wide-eyed young believer, but it is hard to keep up that position with ZERO reinforcement.
I have demonstrated time and time again how people are easily tricked. Do I know "THE ANSWERS"? Not even close, but I do know "THE QUESTIONS"!
Your answer is as fallacious as the arguments you use to refute the issues that follow. Appealing to authority and arguing from ignorance are not truths in my book, they shouldn't be in yours or in anyone else for the sake of a fair discussion . Why do you nearly always try to disregard this facts ?
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: slaphappy]
#4106561 - 04/28/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a suggestion: Start a thread about something you like, something you enjoy, something with content. Lay the truth on us.
What is preventing YOU from doing that?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4106598 - 04/28/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm preoccupied with "the swami issue" right now, thank you.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4106606 - 04/28/05 11:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your answer is as fallacious as the arguments
An empirical approach that has NEVER failed me and has proven itself correct time after time for decades is fallacious? Um, OK.
Guess the better approach is to glom onto whatever seems cool and trendy and unsubstantiated at the time. (Like 2012 and shrooms from space nonsense.)
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4106620 - 04/28/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4106905 - 04/28/05 12:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: An empirical approach that has NEVER failed me and has proven itself correct time after time for decades is fallacious? Um, OK.
Yes, ad antiquitatem. Btw, any empirical approach is mostly abstract. Applying conclusions drawn by such process and hypostatizing under such conditions is unfair to the discussion. Look at truth as an exit on a maze. Your approach might shorten the path and bring you near to the exit on the maze, but that doesn't mean you wont find a wall in the last 5 meters. Sometimes, we need to take a longer path, walk through the unknown and then finally find the exit. You're not right, you're not wrong, none of us are ... until we find the exit.
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Swami said: Guess the better approach is to glom onto whatever seems cool and trendy and unsubstantiated at the time. (Like 2012 and shrooms from space nonsense.)
Now, something must be false because it hasn't been proved true, huh ? ad ignorantiam
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4106934 - 04/28/05 12:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now, something must be false because it hasn't been proved true, huh ? ad ignorantiam
I see. It is ignorance to discard all learning. Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4106994 - 04/28/05 12:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Learning is useful when it becomes knowledge. Therefore, you discard some learning, but not all learning. Otherwise, you'll never get to know anything.
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Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?
I don't know. Memory gets lazy when i smoke too much weed ...
Anyway, referring to 2012, be it to agree with what could happen or what won't happen is pure speculation. Anyone drawing any conclusion about such issue is committing a fallacious argument. Can you prove i'm wrong about this ?
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107021 - 04/28/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you prove i'm wrong about this ?
As always, I will make a wager because of my high degree of certainty. Those making the wild claims ALWAYS back down because they are less than certain.
Simple.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107041 - 04/28/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh btw, i only put my hands in a fire when i know i'm sure about something .
To spice your mind: "I'm uncertain about the existence of god, but i believe in life after death" How do you choose between uncertainty and belief ? I mean, what does your approach tells you about abstract things that you can't prove ?
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107064 - 04/28/05 01:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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MAIA said:
Quote:
Swami said: Experience, research and historical reinforcement (perspective).
This is all anyone has.
Peace.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107070 - 04/28/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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As always, I will make a wager because of my high degree of certainty.
I'd say you assume too much
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Those making the wild claims ALWAYS back down because they are less than certain.
Certainty - or the lack of it -, is not enough to validate any argument. As i see it, your argument is still as fallacious as the other part.
MAIA
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107096 - 04/28/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami, you've probably been asked this before, but do you believe in the moon landing?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: MAIA]
#4107148 - 04/28/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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"I'm uncertain about the existence of god, but i believe in life after death" How do you choose between uncertainty and belief ? I mean, what does your approach tells you about abstract things that you can't prove ?
Without evidence, why believe in anything? If there is an infinitude of possible stories, why choose one as truth?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4107224 - 04/28/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said: I see. It is ignorance to discard all learning. Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?
There is an exception for every rule!!!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ego Death]
#4107460 - 04/28/05 03:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said:
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Swami said: I see. It is ignorance to discard all learning. Just because the last 99 times you stuck your hand in a fire you got burned, doesn't mean the next time you will, eh?
There is an exception for every rule!!!
Indeed, that's what quantum physics would seem to tell us. There is in fact a very minute probability that you could stick your hand in a fire and not get burned, but the odds are immensely against you.
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I certainly dont agree with all of Swamis posts but, honestly i look through his posts and i find them logical and entertaining. If anyone is offended by his posts than analyze yourself and ask yourself why am i offended?
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Being called a "woody smartpecker" or is rather funny I guess, but It's the attitude I don't like, the name is actually funny, I'd laugh if it wasn't supose to be me
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man i've been gone for the past four years or something, i come back and good old swami's still here!
is shroomism still preaching on the boards? what's the latest fad? surely we can't wait until 2012 for something reALLY REALLY **BIG** to happen?!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Traveller]
#4156467 - 05/10/05 07:19 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism is most sef. still around!! WOW...you've been around since 2001 and you have no ratings...you got one now.
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In what way could this Related Thread be related to a thread about racketball?
Or is it racquetball?
Is tennis as spiritual as racketball? Or even racquetball?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#4222528 - 05/26/05 12:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Related to Swami...as are all topics in the known Universe.
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Veritas]
#4222551 - 05/26/05 12:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can I get an Amen, brother?
Amen, brother!
Note the tennis ball he is bouncing (Related Thread material).
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Edited by LunarEclipse (05/26/05 12:47 PM)
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
#4222612 - 05/26/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who is that working her body in your avatar?
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
#4222623 - 05/26/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami sights his prey!
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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
#4222819 - 05/26/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread has already served its purpose.
MAIA
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