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David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy)
    #4099402 - 04/26/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Do I go looking for these things? No, I am just an impartial UN observer wearing a powder blue hat.

Watched Blaine doing some street magic. He did an age-old trick that goes like this:

Blaine: I will write down a three-digit number. *scribbles on pad with pencil*
I will attempt to transmit this number from my mind to your mind. (Hey! Sounds like my sig!) Now I want you to think of any three-digit number. *puts down pencil* OK, now tell me the number.

Volunteer: *frowns in deep concentration* 367.

Blaine shows pad with the number 367.

Volunteer (to camera): I could feel him transmitting the number to me. I knew we had a connection.

Swami: Naturally, there was no connection - it is a trick. Doh! Notice the ad hoc feelings that the volunteer overlays on the event. Remember folks, that many of you do this often: when there is no understanding, substitute some erroneous mystical explanantion. This same principle pertains to beliefs you hold dear.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099410 - 04/26/05 02:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: :thumbup:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099422 - 04/26/05 02:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A few days ago i was walking down a high street in my hometown, thinking of this girl i had'nt seen since high school. About ten minutes later when i was eating my homemade cheese and picke (Yum Yum)  sandwich outside McDonalds (McMurder) the same girl comes walking out of the Gap Shop opposite, walked right over to me and said "I was just thinking about you 10 minutes ago!". We were both amazed and puzzled at this experience. How can this be anything other than mystical?

BTW i have a date with her next week  :grin:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099426 - 04/26/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you smelled her :wink:.

It's proven that to some degree we subconsciously recognize other individuals by virtue of their smell (pheromone's).

If you thought about her before, and liked her it could be a sign that you are prone to her scent.

:shrug: Have fun, and goodluck on your date.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099434 - 04/26/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

How can this be anything other than mystical?

What about the zillion other times you were eating a sandwich thinking of someone you haven't seen in a while and.... they don't show up?

Given enough of these and other similar situations, it's a given that eventually some coincidence or other will occur.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4099437 - 04/26/05 03:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I never thought of that, its certainly an interesting idea. She smelt me, and i smelt her :lol:, ill have to tell her that on our date :smile:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099445 - 04/26/05 03:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

chaos theory


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099453 - 04/26/05 03:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Oh eys, of course, anything that seems mystical is always fobbed off as a coincidence. What about the fact that she was thinking about me the same time i was thinking of her? Is that now a double coincidence. What exactly are the odds of this happeining? About a zillion to 1? Come off it! Your coincidence theory has'nt a leg to stand on. Its actually more logical to consider it a mytsical experience. :lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099464 - 04/26/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You fail to mention that in your hometown, the population is only 450.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099476 - 04/26/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think of my ex 100 times a day and she called a few weeks ago after almost a year.

Swami to ex: "Hey baby, how weird is that? I was just thinking about you!"

Ex: "R-e-a-l-l-y?!"


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099478 - 04/26/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099483 - 04/26/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: Times that by fifty and you've got an apporximate figure :smile:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099488 - 04/26/05 03:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!

If you were unaware of this unintuitive statistical fact and found that out of the last four parties you attended twice you shared a birthday with someone, you might attribute it to something mystical.

Still, it would just be a statistical norm that isn't immediately apparent.

I'm not saying that mystical events don't occur, but I am saying that there's no evidence for them, and it's far more reasonable to believe coincidences are coincidences than they are mystical events.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099528 - 04/26/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!

Did you know that 99% of statistcis are made up on the spot? :lol:

If you were unaware of this unintuitive statistical fact and found that out of the last four parties you attended twice you shared a birthday with someone, you might attribute it to something mystical.

No, not really, at least i would'nt. I would consider that a reasonable coinicinence

Still, it would just be a statistical norm that isn't immediately apparent.

I'm not saying that mystical events don't occur, but I am saying that there's no evidence for them, and it's far more reasonable to believe coincidences are coincidences than they are mystical events.

Yes but mystical experiences cannot be evidentially verified becuase you cannot find tangible evidence of intangible phenomenon. Thereofre is something intagible happens that is beyond the explanaitons of science and other rational modes of thought (such as coincidence becuase the probability is just too unlikley) then it is more logical to assume something mystical occured.






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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099544 - 04/26/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Did you know that 99% of statistcis are made up on the spot?

I don't make things up:

http://www.csicop.org/si/9809/coincidence.html


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099548 - 04/26/05 03:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i was only joking :lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099567 - 04/26/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes but mystical experiences cannot be evidentially verified

So then you have no way of knowing if an experience is mystical or not other than your own conclusion-jumping. CASE CLOSED!


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099574 - 04/26/05 03:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i was only joking

Please re-read the rules. That is not allowed here. This is for serious discussion only. Thank you.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099582 - 04/26/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!





in a math course the teacher tried this out and started with january 1st, nobody raised thier hands, then jan 2nd, i raise my hand along with another kid. 365 days and 30 students, only took 2 queries.

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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099586 - 04/26/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, of course whether something is Mystical or not is totally subjective. There is no "Authority of mystical experiences" which says whether an experience was mystical or not. Mystcial experiences are just that, personal 'experiences' that the indivudal considers to be mystical, what is the problem with that, its not an assumption but an interpretation of experience. Im pretty sure that if you had an experience of merging into the vast space of universal concioussness, you would most liklely consider that to be 'mystical'. But maybe you would just write it off as a dellusion, who knows? its totally subjective. :wink:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099641 - 04/26/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Mystcial experiences are just that, personal 'experiences' that the indivudal considers to be mystical, what is the problem with that, its not an assumption but an interpretation of experience.

I guess you missed the opening post of this thread.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099649 - 04/26/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

But that was an act of deception intended to produce that exact response in a very naive person.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099680 - 04/26/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I think of my ex 100 times a day and she called a few weeks ago after almost a year.

Swami to ex: "Hey baby, how weird is that? I was just thinking about you!"

Ex: "R-e-a-l-l-y?!"




For a start i had'nt thought about this girl in years beofre the day we bumped into each other. Secondly we were both thinking of each other at the exact same time before our meeting. Thirdly she no longer lives in my hometown and is just visiting breifly (3 weeks) . Lastly we were'nt even that close in high school (20 years ago) , although i did find her very attractive. So as you can see, the circumstances were very different from yours :grin:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4101204 - 04/27/05 12:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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How can this be anything other than mystical?
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What about the zillion other times you were eating a sandwich thinking of someone you haven't seen in a while and.... they don't show up?



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When they don't show up when you are thinking about them, it isn't "mystical"....  :smirk:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4101246 - 04/27/05 12:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

On Blaine's levitation trick (standing on tip toes) at least three separate viewers who were totally awed, stated that he must be very spiritual and meditate a lot as they had read of "stuff" like that. After other tricks, many asked if he was a guru or advanced master.

Few commented that he was a skilled magician and entertainer.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4101567 - 04/27/05 02:08 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!





Pfff.  I've yet to meet anyone personally who does.. and in my many, many years on 'teh intarwab'..  I believe I've met exactly 1 person born on the same day as I. 

However, the first airing of Monty Python over in England?  same day I was born.  Not the same year obviously, but.. yeah :wink: much better than sharing a birthday with someone else.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4101586 - 04/27/05 02:12 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thats very sad, some people are very naive  :rolleyes:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4101589 - 04/27/05 02:13 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!

If you were unaware of this unintuitive statistical fact and found that out of the last four parties you attended twice you shared a birthday with someone, you might attribute it to something mystical.

Still, it would just be a statistical norm that isn't immediately apparent.

I'm not saying that mystical events don't occur, but I am saying that there's no evidence for them, and it's far more reasonable to believe coincidences are coincidences than they are mystical events.




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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4101625 - 04/27/05 02:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thats very sad, some people are very naive

What's sad is that most everybody is naive most of the time. Hence corporation after corporation plays the same accounting tricks time and time again fleecing America out of hundreds of billions with almost never a conviction. Don't get me started on the oil shell game or wars for democracy...

Blaine completely fools people with simple tricks in broad daylight at close range. Compare that to UFOs at night miles away.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4101637 - 04/27/05 02:30 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Blaine's a genius with FAST hands.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Rose]
    #4101664 - 04/27/05 02:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

He is interesting, but the psychology of the gullible audience is far more interesting (to me).

I watched him do the 360 degree hand/wrist rotation thing. It is so incredibly simple and yet people gasp in total amazement. (It is based upon a false assumption).


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4101668 - 04/27/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes people are naive about alot of stuff. That why we have to overcome out human-robot syndrome that seems to have infected almost the entire human race, if people were being more aware, there would be less problems of naivity.

Im not one for speculation, i just belive UFO's are exactly that UFO's, i don't see what the big deal is all about. :shrug:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4101731 - 04/27/05 02:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I prefer his street magic to his big stunts.

I agree... he blinds the sceptics. It is amazing, and he is very good at it.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4101963 - 04/27/05 08:10 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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On Blaine's levitation trick (standing on tip toes) at least three separate viewers who were totally awed, stated that he must be very spiritual and meditate a lot as they had read of "stuff" like that. After other tricks, many asked if he was a guru or advanced master.

Few commented that he was a skilled magician and entertainer.





heh, i do that trick sometimes,,it's amazing how amazed people are by it..


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: JCoke]
    #4106132 - 04/28/05 08:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks alot.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4106427 - 04/28/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4107233 - 04/28/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

mmm, I'm willing to believe the possibility that you picked up on her smell. Olfactory sense is the most mysterious, and triggers the most intense reactions from us (smelling something from 5 years back can have a most profound effect, no?)

You got a date...  :thumbup:  :cool:

I'm gonna try smelling out more girls.

heheh, hey babe, i can smell you from a mile away :;):
/em gets slapped


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: entiformatie]
    #4107260 - 04/28/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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entiformatie said:
mmm, I'm willing to believe the possibility that you picked up on her smell. Olfactory sense is the most mysterious, and triggers the most intense reactions from us (smelling something from 5 years back can have a most profound effect, no?)

You got a date...  :thumbup:  :cool:

I'm gonna try smelling out more girls.

heheh, hey babe, i can smell you from a mile away :;):
/em gets slapped




:lol: Yeah im not ruling out the possibility.But im not going to say that becuase its far more romantic to say that it was some kind of divine, mystical intervention or whatnot  :wink:


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