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Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing...
    #4095527 - 04/25/05 04:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hello all.

I am growing mushrooms on rye berries, and I was wondering if people had opinions about what to do when my bag (I bought one of those pre-sterilized bags) is completely colonized.

Should I grow it out on dung If so, what kind?
Should I case it directly?

I am a beginner so I want to do what is easiest and most foolproof - yield is somewhat secondary.
Thanks a lot.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4095560 - 04/25/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, since you're a beginner, I would just case the rye... no need to go poo on your first grow...

HOWEVER... the major difference between a beginner and an intermediate grower is usually the step between BRF cakes and grain, which you've already decided to jump ahead on... so you might as well go all the way and toss some poo in there.

As for kind... horse is notoriously the best yielder... cow is almost as good and easier to find... and my personal favorite is worm castings... you can buy them in a bag at a gardening store. It's worm poop.. basically just compost that's been processed by worms. Works well... easy to use... you don't have to leech or dry it as you sometimes have to with horse and cow poop.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4095634 - 04/25/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Do I need to sterilize the worm castings?


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4095704 - 04/25/05 05:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Tennessee stud 50/50 mix just mix the bag with 10 pounds of that in your grow chamber,you only have one rye bag? use about 10 pounds per rye bag that stuff works great,I never case I just mix the compost with the rye,and all is usually well.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: 3eyeswise]
    #4095963 - 04/25/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

poo all the way you will get some fucking potent ass shrooms man will blow you fucking mind.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,go poo


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4098130 - 04/26/05 09:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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ryeberries said:
Do I need to sterilize the worm castings?




You CAN sterilize it... but I generally pasteurize it, because pasteurization leaves friendly bacteria that fights off contams, but gets rid of bad bacteria... I find this to be the easiest effective method:

I mix it about 50/50 with shredded straw, put it in an oven-friendly tin (like the kind you cook turkeys in, disposable ones) and mix in some water until you have 'field consistency' (field consistency = if you squeeze a handful of it, you can just barely get a few drips of water out of it) and then cover the top with tinfoil.

Place a meat thermometer into the center of it through the tin foil, then start with your oven at about 300 degrees. (This is just to get the substrate heated more quickly... it takes a while for the center to get up to 170.)

Wait until the meat thermometer reads about 150-160, then turn your oven down to 170... this should balance out so that it doesn't exceed 170, which is the temperature you want for pasteurization.

Once it's stable at 170, keep it in there for about an hour to an hour and a half at that temperature.

When it has cooled completely, you can mix in your spawn.

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You might be able to get away with not pasteurizing/sterilizing, but it's pushing your luck.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4098160 - 04/26/05 10:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

seeing as you will be leeping into unknown territory,
i would reccomend eliminating as many variables for contamination as possible.
i would get some pre-pasteurized stuff from the man at Tenn Stud.
this way, when your bag is done, you don't have the burden of pasteurizing this time.
when you have the experience under your belt, then i would reccomend buying some economically priced dry sub or finding yourself a source of weathered H. (accept no substitutes.)
Straight H if you ask me.

and oh yeah- you're going to want to case that.
trust me.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: psilocyben]
    #4098488 - 04/26/05 12:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Good advice...

One question: Are you saying you recommend straight horse poo, no straw or vermiculite or anything for aeration? Because I almost never see anyone using straight poo. Can you elaborate on why this would be better than mixing in straw or verm? Doesn't it take a lot longer to colonize because it's so thick?

I guess that was four questions. :smile:


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4098525 - 04/26/05 01:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I would say that you should probably get a move on if it is already completely colonized.. Mycelia lose thier vigor if overcolonized, possibly leading to poor flushes.. Just MO however..


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4098531 - 04/26/05 01:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

straight poo is good.. Check out Roadkills horse poo tek.. Frow what I've heard on these forums is that straw and verm are primaraly fillers.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4098535 - 04/26/05 01:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

actually, i use 10% vermiculite.
you can get away just fine without it as long as it is horse :poop:
when i'm soaking it, before pasteurizing, i work the fibers of it until it reaches the consistency i like. after it's done soaking, then add the vermiculite.
i imagine if you put the vermiculite in before you begin soaking, you might run the risk of the verm absorbing too much water.

straw is often used to supplement things that might not colonize in a timely fashion if left to it's own accord.

this is why you never see anyone use straight bagged manure, or straight cow manure; no exp personally with castings, nut if it won't colonize well on it's own, time to switch subs.
i have used straight hpoo from Tenn Stud that was pre pasteurized.
of course, it was too late to add verm.
it worked out GREAT!


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4098545 - 04/26/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

One of the experts here, Agar = poo master :grin:, advices to add verm.

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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4098561 - 04/26/05 01:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

cant argue with agar.. Gonna search for that post..


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: larryg]
    #4098583 - 04/26/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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cant argue with agar.. Gonna search for that post..





Searching is good - the info in this thread is on the site already, and far from advanced.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4098791 - 04/26/05 02:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I am a beginner so I want to do what is easiest and most foolproof - yield is somewhat secondary.





Then just case it...wait to do a bulk grow later.

take care.


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Re: Growing with Rye Berries - Dung, Casing... [Re: ryeberries]
    #4099233 - 04/26/05 04:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: :thumbup:


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