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OfflineSmallworlds
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Sin
    #4093627 - 04/25/05 01:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sin?
You may choose only one
There is such thing as right and wrong
Shit just happens


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4093659 - 04/25/05 01:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: :thumbup:

Nice un-biased polling.

~Shit just happens.

Their are many things that are right and wrong, but they aren't right or wrong (absolutely).


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093667 - 04/25/05 01:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How bout it.:lol:

Uhhhhhhh, missing a handful more options are we? :confused:


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Re: Sin [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4093802 - 04/25/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I see only 2 possibilities. Either there really is a god-given concrete knowledge of "right from wrong", or it is an illusion based upon convenience created to help control the masses.. what other options could there be?

If a majority of people view something as "wrong", they create a "set and setting" environment wherein it is wrong, and the inverse also is true.

Therefore I contend that "right from wrong" is, as far as the big picture goes, just another illusion.


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4093823 - 04/25/05 01:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Smallworlds seems you don't have your head fully on your shoulders if you still are wondering if there is right and wrong in the world. Were you raised in a religion?


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Re: Sin [Re: Droz]
    #4093847 - 04/25/05 01:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The thing is...

My observations are ever increasingly noticing that the whole concept of "right and wrong" is being hijacked ever increasingly by those in power (read: Bush and those like Bush), in order to label anything they don't like as "evil", or "wrong".

This makes me wonder if there really is a true definition of right and wrong, or if the whole thing has been nothing more than a hoax all along.


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4093851 - 04/25/05 02:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The absolute nature of right and wrong... is subjective.



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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093859 - 04/25/05 02:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's not even subjective. It's because people take things on a personal level where they will label things as right and wrong. It's more like an opinion.

Define subjective.


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Re: Sin [Re: Droz]
    #4093865 - 04/25/05 02:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a subjective definition; http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=subjective

Subjectivity gives rise to opinions, and vice versa.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093874 - 04/25/05 02:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't want the dictionary definition. I want your defintion. Not a social Norm.


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Re: Sin [Re: Droz]
    #4093914 - 04/25/05 02:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

My definition is subjective in itself, and isn't right nor wrong...

What would the purpose of espousing a definition who's implication when defined is characterized by its namesake? It would not be too disimilar from the common definition.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4094287 - 04/25/05 08:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Psychoactive1984 said:
My definition is subjective in itself, and isn't right nor wrong...





Hehe... how ironic.  :grin:


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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4095760 - 04/25/05 05:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Psychoactive1984 said:
The absolute nature of right and wrong... is subjective.






If someone rapes or kills you is that wrong subjective? No...wait...shit happens...


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Re: Sin [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4095777 - 04/25/05 05:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The root of right and wrong is in logic

It always comes out like a different definition because different people tune in to logic with different rate of success


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Re: Sin [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4095871 - 04/25/05 06:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Delusion_of_Self said:
Quote:

Psychoactive1984 said:
The absolute nature of right and wrong... is subjective.






If someone rapes or kills you is that wrong subjective? No...wait...shit happens...




In talking about it in terms of the ultimate destiny of life itself, it could reasonably be stated that the great karmactic balance will be satisfied in spite of it all, making any one specific event basically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. So, yes, shit just happens, get used to it. Sometimes it's fun things, too.


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4095890 - 04/25/05 06:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The concept of right and wrong does exists in human minds, and
I think we have a right to complain when someone does something wrong, at least until this carmic destiny gets proven or something


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Re: Sin [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4095914 - 04/25/05 06:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I said the grand scheme, on personal levels there definately should be personal accountability for harming another, but in the big picture, that we sometimes can't see all that well, it all balances out.


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4095922 - 04/25/05 06:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

But what does this big picture have to do with the way we handle our laws system or the way we treat each other?
If we are to to look at everything from the perspective of rocks, then sure there is no right or wrong, in fact there is nothing, and
we can do whatever we want and not take responsibility, but where does that lead us?

The whole point of morality is the question: if everyone acted like I did, would society be a more productive, stable and pleasant place or not?


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Re: Sin [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4095930 - 04/25/05 06:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

But I believe that evil works for the greater good, no matter the circumstances.


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Re: Sin [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4095958 - 04/25/05 06:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And I don't believe in evil


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