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Dueling
    #4092608 - 04/24/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Should it be legal for two consenting adults to fight to the death in a duel? Why or why not?


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Re: Dueling [Re: Silversoul]
    #4092717 - 04/24/05 08:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

en garde!

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Sure, provided you can provide a format that suggests that both parties are consenting to it under their own free will (contractual)...

Further, provided their are restraints placed (locations for duels).

"Why or why not?"
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Your life to play with, provided you and those your with in said affiliated activities are willingly engaged in them; beyond a doubt. Further, providing no harm to someone else without their will (purposely of course, can be applied to non-humans as well to a degree e.g. other living entities).... Then I truly don't see the issue.

Call it an advanced sport with waivers.... winner takes all. :wink:

Although it's archaic (and I don't see the need for it), at least it'd be organized... better then the gang warfare that we currently have, if people could legally settle their disputes in an organized manner, others won't be harmed as a result of it.


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Re: Dueling [Re: Silversoul]
    #4092727 - 04/24/05 08:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'd like to see it legal in one state, just to see how it goes.

Florida seems like a good choice.


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Re: Dueling [Re: Gijith]
    #4092757 - 04/24/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)


Florida seems like a good choice.

Do you want a bunch of old geezers and Cubans killing each other?


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Re: Dueling [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4092763 - 04/24/05 09:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

God yes.


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Re: Dueling [Re: Gijith]
    #4092775 - 04/24/05 09:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I say start it off in Washington D.C. with Bush vs. Steven Segal :thumbup:


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Re: Dueling [Re: Gijith]
    #4092784 - 04/24/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Image the new and improved walkers, with spikes on the side!!!


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: Dueling [Re: Silversoul]
    #4092939 - 04/24/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well I don't really have any moral objections to it (two consenting adults can do whatever the fuck they want, just as long as they leave me out of it)...I can see how it COULD turn into something quite horrid - like the days of gladiators in old Rome.

Have you ever played the Unreal Tournament games? I could see something like that growing out of a law which allows consenting adults to duel to the death. It would only be a matter of time before some TV producer realizes the "entertainment" potential of such an act and works to organize tournaments and such.

Shit, have you ever seen a Japanese "deathmatch" fight? Some of them go pretty far (usually ends with one guy in an ambulance, and I've seen one or two where I'm sure one guy died). There's a pretty huge underground market for those kind of things already, and they aren't even legal. Make it legal to kill a man, and it's only a matter of time before we're all cheering on the deaths.


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Re: Dueling [Re: trendal]
    #4093081 - 04/24/05 10:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm all for it.


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Re: Dueling [Re: looner2]
    #4093125 - 04/24/05 10:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'd be ok with it, but like tendal I could see it getting out of hand

btw looner2 I saw you in a dream last night, yet I have no idea what you look like or what you looked like in my dream, none the less it was you.


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Re: Dueling [Re: barfightlard]
    #4093153 - 04/24/05 10:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Was I slaying demons?


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Re: Dueling [Re: looner2]
    #4093182 - 04/24/05 11:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

haha ya probably. lately my dreams have been so multi-layered and crazy that I can't put anythign together. you may have been eating pancakes with hitler while watching a frozen turd doing a jig?


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Re: Dueling [Re: barfightlard]
    #4093195 - 04/24/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't eat pancakes, but I would like to enjoy a conversation with Hitler.


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Re: Dueling [Re: looner2]
    #4093207 - 04/24/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not because he was a nazi or whatever either, but because he came damn close to taking over the world.

Thats awesome.


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Re: Dueling [Re: looner2]
    #4093243 - 04/24/05 11:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

awesome as aids


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Re: Dueling [Re: looner2]
    #4093244 - 04/24/05 11:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I too would see a huge chance of exploitation.. it would be broadcast just like judge judy. A brief reading of grievances between the parties involved, and a fight to the death...I don't see how it would help anything. America has enough problems as it is, socially speaking...


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Re: Dueling [Re: Crasher]
    #4093334 - 04/24/05 11:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well concerning the law, and as it is all just hypothetical...

Laws could be in place to avoid such scenarios by making them private duels, and a form of registration of a contract, and later a designated meeting point in dueling zones, with no forms of communication equipment on site. (just an example)


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
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Re: Dueling [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093564 - 04/25/05 12:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)


later a designated meeting point in dueling zones

For some reason, the idea of "dueling zones" is absolutely hilarious to me.


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Re: Dueling [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4093793 - 04/25/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:smile: The idea of dueling and killing people over petty disputes is equally as hilarious to me... might as well make a mockery out of the situation.

(BTW: nice Avatar + sig updates)


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Dueling [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093915 - 04/25/05 02:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What if someone dishonors you psychoactive1984? How about your family? It was done in the past, and it proved men to be men. Andrew Jackson was famous for dueling. It separates the men from the boys, you don't have to play.


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