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Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi)
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1. How do you explain 'the disclosure project'?

The brains behind Project Disclosure is country doctor turned ambassador to outer space Steven Greer. He found over 20 military ex-witnesses and a NASA astronaut willing to testify to seeing aliens, alien craft and how it had been kept under wraps by the government.

Among them was former Army Sergeant, Clifford Stone, who said the US Government had tried to suppress what he had seen one strange day in Pennsylvania, back in 1969.
"I was involved in situations where we actually did recoveries of crashed saucers. There were bodies that were involved with some of these crashes. Also some of these were alive," he said.
"While we were doing this, we were telling the American public there was nothing to it. We were telling the world there was nothing to it," Mr Stone added.

2. Our society works on a law system that has jailed people for life over the testimony of 1 individual witness. Everybody will believe the outcome of that trial based on one unofficial's witnesses word. So why won't the same people even consider the possability of alien visitation based on millions of unofficial witnesses and thousands of official witnesses?



3. This object was reported by a UK couple and filmed outmanouvering known aircraft. The south wales police explained that it was in fact a weather balloon and Dr. Mike Reddy of astronomy at Glamorgan university said it was in fact the planet Venus. How do you explain the officials making 2 different conclusions for something that appears to be neither a balloon or a planet?



4. Hundreds of these objects were captured on film by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (Soho), a spacecraft 1,000,000 miles from Earth observing the sun. The glowing, saucer-shaped "craft" were said to be moving in a way that suggested intelligent control. Nasa originally dismissed the images as being the result of a camera fault or as comets or asteroids and is now refusing to comment on them.



When will you, so called skeptics, be able to answer the questions that you keep avoiding?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Even if there are alien visitations on earth, most people who report them are fucked up.

Look, if you are in any forest, and the part of your brain that does pattern processing processes the canopy and trees (which tilt slightly) as people, it will look exactly like UFO aliens are supposed to look. I have no doubt these people sincerly believe their stories. Some of them may be true. But, I think it's safe to say that most of these stories are people who were alone in the dark, and started spooking themselves, or who had epileptic seziures in a certain environment.

There is no way evidence of UFO's could be kept under wraps for so long. To many people.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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1. How do you explain 'the disclosure project'?

Another in a long series of "projects" started by people who want to believe.

2. Our society works on a law system that has jailed people for life over the testimony of 1 individual witness.

I'm not sure what kind of law system you are living under...but I certainly don't think the testimony of a single person is enough to convict a person. There is almost always a great deal of corroborating evidence that is presented in addition to the statements of key witnesses. Perhaps if the people claiming to have first-hand encounters of aliens had evidence OTHER than grainy video footage and their own "expert" opinions...then they would find more acceptance.

Word of mouth alone is not enough for proof.

3. This object was reported by a UK couple and filmed outmanouvering known aircraft. The south wales police explained that it was in fact a weather balloon and Dr. Mike Reddy of astronomy at Glamorgan university said it was in fact the planet Venus. How do you explain the officials making 2 different conclusions for something that appears to be neither a balloon or a planet?

Probably because neither of then really knew what it was, either. However just because it isn't a weather balloon or the planet Venus, does not make it an alien space craft.

4. Hundreds of these objects were captured on film by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (Soho), a spacecraft 1,000,000 miles from Earth observing the sun. The glowing, saucer-shaped "craft" were said to be moving in a way that suggested intelligent control. Nasa originally dismissed the images as being the result of a camera fault or as comets or asteroids and is now refusing to comment on them.

Again, just because it isn't something specific like a comet or camera malfunction, does not make it an alien craft. The truth is we don't know what it is. However most scientists are not the type to jump to conclusions and assume what something IS simply because they know what it ISN'T. Far more evidence would be required before you could be reasonably sure that these are, in fact, alien craft.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: trendal]
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Excellent rebuttal, trendal! :thumbup:


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Silversoul]
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Tren is my puppet and will officially be taking over all debunking chores so that I am free to wreak havoc elsewhere.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Why are you trying to convince anyone about aliens. If they do exist, they are unknown to us because they want it that way, so there is no reason for everyone to know about them, and when they want to be known, they will make a little show and there will be no doubt.

If what you say is true, than current US government acts a little bit like the high priests of the old Jews "keeping the knowledge for themselfs" but nothing of that size can be kept quiet for ever.
There will be time when your grand grand grand grand grand son will be living on the moon or mars, and he will see for himself if there are signs of civilisation or not


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: trendal]
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A good straight shooting post here. It is accurate and to the point. Good job.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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1. How do you explain 'the disclosure project'?

The US government can't even keep super-damaging stuff like Abu Gharib secret from CNN and company. How do you explain that they've been keeping alien visitations secret for the better part of a century?:whoa:

How do you explain that all the other countries on Earth, many with unstable governments or governments that would like nothing more than to shaft the US by disclosing hard evidence never have.  Do you think that only the US gets visited and crashed on?

Why hasn't anyone claiming abduction demonstrated medical conditions that could not possibly be from Earth, say an alien bacterial infection. For that matter, why hasen't any genetically alien bacteria or other organism from outside our solar system ever been found on earth by biologists? :syringe:

And given how easy it is for people to fool themselves, and how many quacks and nuts there are in the world, and how much evidence (ZERO) has made it into the media's and the public's hands, it's virtually certain that we're alone for the moment.

I'm not saying there isn't other life in the universe, but I am saying that the chances it's landing here are about are good as the chances of a note in a bottle you tossed in the ocean in Europe comes to land on the beach behind your house in Fort Lauderdale; possible, but damned unlikely.:noway:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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While I'm at it:

Our society works on a law system that has jailed people for life over the testimony of 1 individual witness.

It's a well-known fact that eye witnesses are the worst kind. They're the most likely to inadvertently distort information.

Can you tell me the color of the shirt worn by the second-to-last person you saw at work/school Friday?

This object was reported...Hundreds of these objects were captured

OK, how about these:









All avowed hoaxes. Don't believe me? Click: http://www.jakesufopage.com/UFOhoaxpictures.html


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (04/24/05 06:48 PM)

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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If you want your case to be more credible, also use ancient siting of UFO's, depictions, philosophies, beliefs, citings in WW2, accounts given by the newpapers in addition to army personal given in regards to Roswell which were later recounted by both, etc...

(Australian aboriginal views, older christian paintings, Sumerian beliefs et etal)

-Give it a greater historical perspective; as it is anything but a new phenomena and belief.



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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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These are not alien spaceships from outerspace, these are spaceships designed by governments with the money to create these things. Our government has been doing expirements forever on spaceship technology and alien creations.

We are the aliens.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Droz]
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And you know this because?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Droz]
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We are the aliens.

And we will,

we will,

ROCK YOU!


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Droz]
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ermmm in terms of ancient civilizations?

Odd how you can dismiss the notion so fast with vast evidence that suggests that their is a little more going on then meets the eye.... historically speaking; their are a lot of picutres, paintings, and folklore utilized by many older civilizations to denote odd catastrophes that show other instances of correlation (gigantic floods for example, with data correlating the time period of it's occurance beyond spurious instances), similar explanation in way of aliens have also been presented.

Not suggesting they are here, or that they exist; simply pointing out the fact that the notion has existed well before our modern civilization, with similar accounts (and their isn't much of a motivation in way of profiting from perpetuating the notions in the far past).


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Edited by Psychoactive1984 (04/24/05 11:50 PM)

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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Tomk:
People who report UFO'S are"fucked up". Well done you have now officially followed the common concensus.

Diploid:
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The US government can't even keep super-damaging stuff like Abu Gharib secret from CNN and company. How do you explain that they've been keeping alien visitations secret for the better part of a century?


Quite simply, they haven't. There are government papers released stating quite blatently that UFO's are real and most likely to be E.T in origin. The first document I remember like this is a brief sent to Winston Churchill.

What really keeps this a secret is the psychology of the general public. The majority of the general public are scared of aliens not avid dreamers and believers as some think. Like the bogey man something your scared of should be forgotten about, pushed aside from the mind. Unfortunately, this bogey man keeps coming back.

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How do you explain that all the other countries on Earth, many with unstable governments or governments that would like nothing more than to shaft the US by disclosing hard evidence never have. Do you think that only the US gets visited and crashed on?


The type of hard evidence you want will never be available. Why would any country have hard evidence? We can see them, that is the only evidence at the moment. Why would the aliens provide us with hard evidence? Not even the US has the ability to track the craft (as far as we know!).

Super advanced aliens wouldn't be likely to be transmitting diseases either.

You say there is zero evidence. I say you have obviously not researched the phenomena very well!

All those pictures you have shown, are exactly that, pictures. The stills in my post are from video footage capured. This film footage has been analysed and proven to of not been tampered with. Its a lot easier to create a picture of a blob than to film craft in the sky out-manouvering known aircraft and acting in an intelligently controlled manner.


Trendal:
Please explain why humans would want to believe that they could be abducted at any moment against thier will? Religous/cult extremists aside please as you can find an extremist for anything!

I agree with the rest of your post. It is my assertion that they are 'most likely' to be alien in origin. Evidence does not point to them being our own. As for the reality of the craft, I've had one land 50 feet away from me and my friends so we are pretty convinced the craft are real!

OldWoodSpecter:
I don't see why the aliens would present themselves. They probably view us not far of the way we view monkeys or even ants. Its evolution. In the same way that we study everything possible, so will other intelligent beings!

The only reason why is because I know they are here and I'm tired of living in a world of ignorant people. The evidence is there and but is not clear. It is swimming in a sea of hoaxes, just how the government likes it. They don't need to keep it a secret, we've done a good enough job of that for them.


The real evidence is that what has been released by the government. It is the millions of official and unofficial witnesses. It is the hundreds of videos showing footage (don't complain you've only seen grainy photo's, the real evidence is with the people, UFO groups everywhere have tons of undeniable video footage which the media takes little to no interest in). If you want to see proof study the UFO's properly. Goto a local UFO group, they will soon change your mind. A crappy internet site with a few common hoaxes, obviously, will only provide you with the ability to delude yourself and say "yes, I was right. They don't exist."

Droz:
We've only been capable of winged flight for the past century. How would you explain the MASS of UFO data pre-flight era? Also, why do our government dress in alien suits for when they emerge from the craft?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Here is a still photo taken from AN OBVIOUSLY REAL video.


A lot of people REALLY REALLY REALLY believe in magic too, and thus some choose to take this "knowledge" and become wiccan and cast spells. There are too many instances in history in which people have believed ludicrous things but continue to believe them to fulfill latent internal agendas or simply get carried away on embellishments and their imagination starts to pervert their memory.

So a craft landed 50 feet from you and your friends? Do elucidate on this memory...


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
The type of hard evidence you want will never be available. Why would any country have hard evidence? We can see them, that is the only evidence at the moment. Why would the aliens provide us with hard evidence? Not even the US has the ability to track the craft (as far as we know!).

Super advanced aliens wouldn't be likely to be transmitting diseases either.



Right... a couple of things, first of all, the "hard" evidence anyone would want would just be some sort of tangible evidence. For the millions of UFO sightings, and hundreds of thousands of years of human existence, one would think that there would be SOMETHING the government has not taken hold to. What incentive does the government have to hide this information?

Super advanced aliens would transmit diseases just as easily as Europeans did to the natives when they came over. They have no reason to think of symbiotic or natural bacteria or virii to be dangerous to humans, but being from two radically different (I'm assuming) planets would means a somewhat different course of evolution for our species and what we would deem to be healthy and what our bodies can tolerate.
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All those pictures you have shown, are exactly that, pictures. The stills in my post are from video footage captured. This film footage has been analyzed and proven to of not been tampered with. Its a lot easier to create a picture of a blob than to film craft in the sky out-manouvering known aircraft and acting in an intelligently controlled manner.



above...

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OldWoodSpecter:
I don't see why the aliens would present themselves. They probably view us not far of the way we view monkeys or even ants. Its evolution. In the same way that we study everything possible, so will other intelligent beings!



Didn't aliens supposedly contact humans when our civilization was even more "primitive" than it is today? Why would they stop all of a sudden? Additionally, I would hardly say that you can liken aliens studying humans to humans studying non-sentient and other life forms. Unlike the animals we study, we are capable of communicating and have supposedly been contacted by aliens before. Studying an organism would be WORLDS easier if we could communicate with them. If aliens really wanted to know about us and study us a clear line of communication would be integral.

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We've only been capable of winged flight for the past century. How would you explain the MASS of UFO data pre-flight era? Also, why do our government dress in alien suits for when they emerge from the craft?


I don't think the government did dress up in alien suits, and I also don't think there were aliens in the pre-flight era. Sure, there were probably TONS of UFOs, but that just means no one knew what the fuck was going on. It is UNIDENTIFIED, but not necessarily alien in origin or nature.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
Trendal:
Please explain why humans would want to believe that they could be abducted at any moment against thier will? Religous/cult extremists aside please as you can find an extremist for anything!



To be honest, I don't know why so many humans choose to believe things for which they have little to no evidence for...but it is quite obvious that this is a common situation for humans to find themselves in. In fact, it is far more common for people to "believe" things without evidence than it is for people to be skeptical of such beliefs.

Why would they want to believe? I can think of any number of reasons, and I'm sure there are a GREAT deal of individual reasons that each person has.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
danoEoboy said:
Trendal:
Please explain why humans would want to believe that they could be abducted at any moment against thier will? Religous/cult extremists aside please as you can find an extremist for anything!



To be honest, I don't know why so many humans choose to believe things for which they have little to no evidence for...but it is quite obvious that this is a common situation for humans to find themselves in.


:thumbup:  :thumbup: Yup...

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: trendal]
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I was abducted by aliens and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Silversoul]
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Well, let's see the damn t-shirt.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
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They abducted it, too.  :sad:


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Silversoul]
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Aliens are commonly known for several things; Their physcial characteristics their pale complexion among other things, their use of anal probes, and their ability to alter the memory and perception.

Apply the aforementioned features exhibited by the aliens to some Churches, and you'll see.... that the truth is out there.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: trendal]
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OK some people want to believe. I never wanted to believe this.

The mass of video evidence and credible witnesses are still there.

UFO's are not just lights in the sky. More people than you think see the craft close up.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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The type of hard evidence you want will never be available.

Yes, this is the fallback answer, isn't it?

UFO (and other types of) nuts always leave themselves this convenient out in case they're cornered by common sense and logic. :syringe:

Why would any country have hard evidence?

Uhm, because ET crashed on their country like UFO nuts say happens in the US all the time?

The majority of the general public are scared of aliens not avid dreamers and believers as some think.

What about the media who's livelyhood depends on discovering these kinds of things, scary or otherwise? :syringe:

All those pictures you have shown, are exactly that, pictures.

As are the ones you use to support your claims.  :sad:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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UFO's are not just lights in the sky.

I recently read about some lights in the sky, as you say, in New Mexico where, like you, virtually an entire town latched onto the most implausible of all available explanations. They saw lights in the sky that "couldn't" be from Earth because there were no airports or military bases nearby, and the lights made abrupt right-angle turns.

Turns out the lights were just a town about 60 miles away on the other side of a mountain range. You see, the lights from the distant town were being refracted off a standing thermocline in the atmosphere, like a mirror. The effective angle of the mirror varied as the temperature gradient in the atmosphere moved with the wind flowing over the mountains. This gave the illusion of the abrupt right-angle turns.

And you said these things are not just lights in the sky.  :sad:

More people than you think see the craft close up.

But with all the cell phone cameras and camcorders in the world and all the professional video equipment in use by the media around the planet, not one single clear, indisputable picture has ever been produced by either the public or the media.

And not one single piece of a crashed space ship that could not possibly have been made on Earth ever been produced by the public or the media.

And not one single alien body or body part has ever been found by the public or the media.

And not one single verifiable 'leak' by a government employee has ever occurred.

Give me a break.  :thumbdown:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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Australian Aboriginal views, and proposed correlations:
- http://www.crystalinks.com/dreamtime.html
- http://www.theozfiles.com/history_australian_ufo_history.html


Older stories of "gods" that some believe proves that aliens exist.
- http://www.godchecker.com/
- http://groups.msn.com/AngelStarsParanormalWebRoom/ufosampaliensfactorfiction.msnw


Some historical painting/picture "evidence"
- http://greenzilla.tripod.com/index21.htm
- http://www.infinityanalog.com/knightsoftheconspiracy/austronaught.htm


World War 2 UFO's
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http://www.ufoarea.com/craft_humanoralien.html
(various other sources of information talking about eye witness accounts of UFO's on both sides of the conflict which suggest that the UFO's were overseeing the war, and not taking part in it.


Biblical theories/assertions:
- http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1912.cfm
- http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/UFO.htm
(:nonono: more interpretation at work through the vast generalizations offered by the bible)


More modern report about Roswell including original message given by the media, and the alteration:
- http://www.af.mil/lib/roswell.html


Possible explanation as to why it would be covered up on the assumption that is true:
- http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/
(A lot of historical evidence concerning this broadcast is available on the internet if you don't like this site)


Merely showing a different perspective to this, more in line with historical evidence which attempts to validate alien existance. Be skeptical (I am), some interesting ideas worth entertaining.

Their are many more to point out, and a lot of evidence that suggests both sides, just look on the internet. Pointing out all the older shit, as hopefully it isn't as contaminated with selling a notion for profit as many modern day beliefs are.


Edited by Psychoactive1984 (04/25/05 06:47 PM)

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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evidence which attempts to validate alien existance

All the evidence is talk, not one single piece of hard, irrefutable evidence has ever been found. UFO nuts have had nearly a century to produce it, but still all they do is talk and point to fuzzy pictures that could be anything.

How is it that crashing airliners, very rare events, are caught on film all the time, but not one single crashing alien ship ever?

I'm still waiting for a rational explanation for this discrepancy.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (04/26/05 06:09 AM)

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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In case all this alien stuff is real, and the government hides it,
how would you expect to find crashed ships if military comes first and takes it

Maybe that is why "god doesn't make miracles today" , because government hides it all


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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"not one single crashing alien ship ever"

Somehow the odds of a spacecraft making it here, and then crashing, seems a little remote.

I have hummingbirds in my backyard. They aren't alien craft, but they attack each other routinely and at pretty good speeds. They always seem to miss each other. If alien craft could travel across the galaxies through asteroid fields etc., it would seem they could avoid crashing while on Earth.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The government, with all of its bureaucratic tendencies, would never be so efficient as to suppress ALL evidence EVER. Even if it could, to what effect? Why hide the existence of aliens, if they are benevolent, it would be like hiding the existence of a hidden nation. Even if they were not friendly, then the government could use that threat even more broadly and all-encompassing to further its goals of scaring the public into sacrificing control and personal rights on the altar of national security.

Simply too many inconsistencies for me to cling to this idea...


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: LunarEclipse]
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My point is this - given the massive amount of time in which a technologically advanced (meaning having a recorded history) human species has covered the planet, as well as the massive bank of millions of personal encounters people claim to have with alien life, there is still ZERO substantive proof to back up any claims.

I invite someone to prove me wrong and provide some PROOF instead of just alluding to these shadowy local UFO groups who know the "facts" and can convince me if I just give them a chance. Weird thing really, since all of their video and photographic evidence can not be placed online because it was actually recorded with stolen alien technology which is not e-compatible. Lets not convolute any of this, lets just be out and out with it and see some proof.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: CaptainJailew]
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Well of course they can't hide it all, but all that escapes ends up on internet and nobody believes the internet stuff anyway.

And if someone had a hard "copy" of something, he could get visited by
someone from government or military, perhapse killed or something

I suspect it is a bit hard for americans to believe in such conspiracies (the reason why they are easy to be manipulated by politics), but It is not strange that governments in the world do not work in legal chanals, people get fired, threatened, even killed all over the world all because of politics

I see that conspiracies in US are viewed as something far fetched and strange, and rare, while in the rest of the world it is strange if you don't see a conspiracy

So ask yourself, if there were aliens visiting, would you be alowed to know about them? Of course not


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4096786 -

In case all this alien stuff is real, and the government hides it,
how would you expect to find crashed ships if military comes first and takes it

And this is true in every country on Earth, even those that would like nothing better than to 'expose' US lies regarding UFOs?

I find it hard to believe that aliens only crash in the US.

Still waiting for a rational explanation...


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4096803 -

Somehow the odds of a spacecraft making it here, and then crashing, seems a little remote.

You're preaching to the choir, but the UFO nuts keep insisting, sans evidence, that they crash here all the time.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4096805 -

why would aliens chrash anyway?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4096830 -

And if someone had a hard "copy" of something, he could get visited by
someone from government or military, perhapse killed or something

I doubt that if CNN got a hold of a piece of irrefutable alien technology, the government or the military would be able to do anything about it. They couldn't do shit about Abu Gharib and that was arguably far more damaging than the revelation that we're not alone.  :syringe:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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why would aliens chrash anyway?

I dunno; ask a UFO nut, they're the ones making the claim.  :dumblol:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4096859 -

What guarantee you have that CNN and other networks are not controlled and censored by the government?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
why would aliens chrash anyway?

I dunno; ask a UFO nut, they're the ones making the claim.  :dumblol:


your assumption is that either every UFO nut speaks truth or that non of them do it.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
What guarantee you have that CNN and other networks are not controlled and censored by the government?


Sans belief in some sort of megalithic "world government" controlling us all from their darkened chambers where they all enjoy roman orgies and unlimited power it is hard for me to accept that all governments all over the earth have been capable of supressing knowledge about an entirely new species which may have previously and could currently be trying to make contact with this planet.

If aliens ARE trying to make contact with us, then they CAN ALREADY DO IT given their supposedly advanced state of technology. If they simply want to study us, and have come from hundreds of giga-lightyears away and what not, I also think they should have the technology to make a giant telescope, or a giant listening device. Basically they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want without us being able to do shit about it. The fact that people are "seeing" UFOs means that they are meant to be seen, it is no mistake, and if they want to be seen, they can easily do it themselves.

Maybe they don't have this super technology I am crediting them for, and when given the choice to devote all their time and energy to creating either (1)inter-stellar space travel, tractor beams, and anal probes OR (2) A telescope - they chose door number 1.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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What guarantee you have that CNN and other networks are not controlled and censored by the government?

Abu Gharib? :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #4096922 -

I don't know why you all keep asking why there is no evidence, when the internet is full of stories and pictures.

You can reject all of them, they could all be fake, but they do exist


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4096940 -

I don't know why you all keep asking why there is no evidence, when the internet is full of stories and pictures.

The Internet is full of 'evidence' that the telephone company assassinated Kennedy to prevent divestiture. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (04/26/05 06:23 AM)

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4096942 -

I don't think fuzzy images and bad video quite qualify as "proof" of alien existence.

Since the existence of aliens could be life-changing given some people's belief systems there is a higher threshold for "evidence" here than elsewhere.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #4096963 -

Also look at human culture, every tribe and nation has myths and religions, all those could be comming from contacts with aliens.

In that frame, vatican is the greatest evidence of alien life there is


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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In that frame, vatican is the greatest evidence of alien life there is

Can't argue with that...  :tongue2:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4097005 -

Actually, Michael Jackson is the greatest evidence of alien life there is.



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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
evidence which attempts to validate alien existance

All the evidence is talk, not one single piece of hard, irrefutable evidence. UFO nuts have had nearly a century to produce it, but still all they do is talk and point to fuzzy pictures that could be anything.

How is it that crashing airliners, very rare events, are caught on film all the time, but not one single crashing alien ship ever?

I'm still waiting for a rational explanation for this discrepancy.


That's why I took the focus of giving it direct credibility and brought it up as a cultural phenomena :tongue:.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
Actually, Michael Jackson is the greatest evidence of alien life there is.




If only I could rate you again! :lol: That deserves 5 shrooms.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4097644 -

Turns out the lights were just a town about 60 miles away on the other side of a mountain range.

How do you know that was not an entire alien town transported en toto?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
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The evidence is quite sketchy really. Photos are easily doctored, testimonies are easily made up. A lot of mysterious shit happens in the world, and I guess placing it all down to something like aliens brings some comfort/certainty. In the middle-ages mysterious stuff was blamed on spirits/divine interference/strange creatures, now it is aliens. Plus don't forget that for attention-seeking people, giving exotic explanations/conspiracy theories or exagurrating personal experiences is more likely to draw attention rather than looking at things logically and coming to more sensible, mundane conclusions.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
The type of hard evidence you want will never be available.

Yes, this is the fallback answer, isn't it?


Equally you have no sensible explainations for anything stated in my first post and have dodged answering 90% of OldWooedSpecter's reasoning. I stated explainations as to why the "hard evidence" you want will not be easily available.

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Uhm, because ET crashed on their country like UFO nuts say happens in the US all the time?


Theres no reason to believe an alien disk has crashed. The roswell incident happend and was very mysterious, but I'm not going to jump up and say I think it was an alien craft because I don't know and couldn't access any good evidence to speculate. People that were there or involved are far better equipted to speculate. You know the people that worked or lived there at the time that have been hashed into your "UFO nuts" category. You should change your mentality from "problem solved" to "case open" or be ignorant and biased, its your choice.

Your use of the word "UFO nut" is a rediculous generalisation.

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The Internet is full of 'evidence' that the telephone company assassinated Kennedy to prevent divestiture.


Yet another generalisation. There are infact very few sites stating this. I did a search and could only find 3 sites stating this as real. Go search for UFO's and check the weight of the results! Its the second most searched for topic in the world is UFO's!

I don't deny that there are nutters out there. In every field of science, nature or whatever. I think you are all nutters for not accepting the possability. You are as bad for being certain they don't exist as I am convinced they do.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Cat got yer tongue Diploid?

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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I don't believe in aliens because they haven't anally probed me yet. Even though I get abducted on a regular basis.. I have no tangible evidence of such existence.. thus.. aliens do not exist! ever. my reality is false.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Shroomism]
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Even though I get abducted on a regular basis.

"Abductees" claim they are physically transported, yet videotape has shown them still in bed sleeping, which contradicts their claim.

To continue the fantasy, the Abductee claims the omniscient aliens somhow fake the entire videotape... :rolleyes:

This type excuse-making and story-changing is a sign of unhealthy mental distortion.

Two words: SLEEP DISORDER

It may be unsettling and SEEM real, but it is some form of dream state.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
    #4102727 -

I've seen a visiting ship before.

We were driving home from grocery shopping and our kid was in the back seat, so we were definately not on anything (no driving while on anything and no being on anything around the kid) when husband glanced to the left and noticed this large, hovering thing with many many lights all around it; unfortunately, it was dark and we weren't able to tell that much about what it looked like, other than what I've said already.

I got really excited over it, because I'm very accepting of visiting ships and thought it was about damn time they'd come to visit, so we pulled over at a gas station and were turning around to go back to see it when the thing took off over the gulf (we live in the gulf coast region and were very close to the beach) way faster than anything I've ever seen before or again.

Other people in that area reported seeing it, too. I thought it was awesome. Visitors!


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: mygodisme]
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unfortunately, it was dark and we weren't able to tell that much about what it looked like

It was dark and you couldn't tell much about what it looked like, but you managed to conclude:

I've seen a visiting ship before.  :thumbdown:

This is called accommodation. The True Believer will find some way to make it true no matter what.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: mygodisme]
    #4102788 -

I once saw a mysterious craft ringed by light over downtown Las Vegas. I watched it in puzzlement for about 20 minutes, then I finally figured it out. It was the Fuji blimp for the Consumer Electronics Show.

The next day I was surfing the net and saw a dozen reports of a huge UFO over Las Vegas.

On another occasion, I saw weird rainbow colored streaks in the sky near dusk. A crowd gathered and "oohed and ahhed" over the unique display with many offereing up an ET explanation. Turned out to be a high altitude misile test.

Why do you think that 90% of UFOS are seen at night? Is it maybe BECAUSE LOW-LIGHT CONDITIONS ALLOW OUR MINDS TO FILL IN THE DETAILS?


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
    #4102816 -

Your opinion, your opinion.

My opinion, mine. You didn't see what we saw, therefore you can't truly know, can you? To be quite honest, I can't truly know, either, except for the distinct feeling that what I was seeing wasn't something from here.

Feelings, however, don't count, do they? After all, they are merely irrational, chemically created electronic pulses in our neurotransmitters that cause the brain to function in certain ways.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: mygodisme]
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You didn't see what we saw

According to your post, you didn't see it either.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: mygodisme]
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Feelings, however, don't count, do they?

Depends on what you mean by "count". As evidence of anything concrete they are useless. See my thread on David Blaine where he stood on his toe and convinced people they were in the presence of a mystic. "I could feel his power." Or when he did a simple mentalist parlor trick, "I could feel that we were connecting mind to mind."


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
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But David Blaine is just a street magician (unless you live in South Park). I'm sure the stuff he does is really cool to watch, but it isn't "real magic." I'm not even sure what "real magic" is; I used to experiment with what I thought was it as a teenager, and I have to admit there was some really interesting and somewhat freaky stuff, but I can't be sure now if it was all in our heads or if it was real.

Normal people will believe pretty much anything. That's why I usually call them stupid. I believe what I can see/experience.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: mygodisme]
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Blaine is IRRELEVANT, we were discussing feelings as a metric of authenticity.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Swami]
    #4107275 -

Someone claims to see a craft.

2 negative responses straight away.

Person who sees craft stops telling people due to negative response.

Truth is successfully hidden from the majority of the planet once again.

This is exactly why more evidence isn't available, because it is supressed by the stigma.


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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It is only suppressed by stigma because the people are not sure of what they saw - public "stigma" should really just be re-labeled as doubt, people do not believe stories of alien existence and so they react negatively to people they see as fabricating stories, you call it stigma, but I think people just won't listen to something they don't believe.

A lot of people believed that the earth was flat too, and to believe otherwise was seen as heretical until proof was presented. There is simply no proof of an E.T existence, stigma, while having a negative connotation might also be seen as a litmus test of the validity of an argument. Well, I don't want to really defend that, but I can see how many times stigma represents public disbelief or doubt, and that is what many times keeps the truth in check instead of covering it up. Without doubt and stigma we would see people worshipping one of the hundreds of people claiming to be the second coming of christ etc...


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Someone claims to see a craft.

Someone claims to see...

large, hovering thing with many many lights all around it

Which could be anything from a blimp to a helicopter. Someone then jumps to the most implausible of all available explanations...

I've seen a visiting ship before

How is pointing this out a negative response?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4114124 -

I have never seen a disc helicopter with lights around its bottom rim that is practically soundless when stood just meters away from it hovering.

NO your right really, I should have walked away thinking "Its just a helicopter, its just a helicopter". :rotfl: :dumblol:

You are not understanding the definition of close encounter of the third kind.  Go learn something about UFO's before you claim to have any knowledge on them.  The average jo arguement is weak and only shows lack of knowledge and understanding for the topic...


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Diploid]
    #4114865 -

Wel Dip, the truth is: UFOS land ALL THE TIME, but people that see them just don't know how to work a camera. I am going to start a "Basic Photography for UFO buffs" class.  :tongue2:


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Re: Question's for anybody who doesn't believe in Alien visitation of Earth (spec Swarmi) [Re: Ego Death]
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Quote:
I think you are all nutters for not accepting the possability. You are as bad for being certain they don't exist as I am convinced they do



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