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STEVIA & POTENTCY
    #4091400 - 04/24/05 01:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



Just tinkering.

I have always thought that certain forms of sugar bearing plant fiber in very low amounts added to a bulk substrate increase the potency of p. cubenisis.

On that premise, I added 2% (by weight) dried STEVIA leaves/stem tips to a small tray of compost substrate (consisting of weathered h/poo, fine chopped wheat straw, spent brewers grains - bin composted)then spawned the substrate with colonized WBS, once colonized it was cased & fruited out.

The resulting fruits were AMAZINGLY POTENT.
I would guess about 30% more than normal.
Nothing scientific, just casual observations.

The history of STEVIA

The sweetener in Stevia is glycoside = Any compound that contains a carbohydrate molecule (sugar), particularly any such natural product in plants, convertible, by hydrolytic cleavage, into sugar and a nonsugar component (aglycone), and named specifically for the sugar contained, as glucoside (glucose), pentoside (pentose), fructoside (fructose), etc.

Stevia has some antibacterial properties

Just something to chew on.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4093278 - 04/24/05 11:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Agar -- what is your IQ!??!
never cease to impress me.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #4093475 - 04/25/05 12:30 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

whats the difference between using this glucose and using karo water when boiling your grains? are they different type of sugars?


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4093540 - 04/25/05 12:42 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was wondering how steviaside would work. You beat me to it. That's great, I'll have to incorporate it in mine this time! Did you use the liquid or powder form? Organic/nonorganic? With or without flowing agents/additives?

It has been relegated to health food stores and labeled as a "supplement". The sugar industry wouldn't want something like this to usurp their profits. Stevia is great as a sweetener because it's safe for diabetics and hypoglycemics, it has even been found to regulate blood sugar. I wonder if that's why it works well for mushrooms too?


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Abermelin]
    #4093558 - 04/25/05 12:45 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Im very tempted to make a thread about pork rindes and potentcy, haha.

but agar said it, so its probably true...


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #4094246 - 04/25/05 07:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>2% (by weight) dried STEVIA leaves/stem tips to a small tray of compost substrate (consisting of weathered h/poo, fine chopped wheat straw, spent brewers grains - bin composted)then spawned the substrate with colonized WBS, once colonized it was cased & fruited out.<<<<<


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4094678 - 04/25/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Duuuh,
I got so excited about using stevia I didn't read your post well enough to glean the specifics. Thanks.  :blush: :laugh:


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #4094702 - 04/25/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Good time of the year to sow Stevia outdoors.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4094763 - 04/25/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How much of the potentcy increase do you think had to do with steviasides vs vites, mins, fiber texture and other nutes from the plant? It would be interesting to try a similar experiment using isolated steviasides (liquid or crystaline) side by side with wheat grass crushed and added in the same manner.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #4094780 - 04/25/05 12:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hell if I know. As, I have not tried just steviasides, alone.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #4096973 - 04/25/05 10:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ledzepln86 said:
Agar -- what is your IQ!??!




After bong hit 4.... IQ 70


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4097044 - 04/25/05 10:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

damn thats high, your legaly retarted


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: xburn]
    #4097354 - 04/25/05 11:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

have you tried supplementing with both the dried stevia and kelp meal?
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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4097559 - 04/26/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That's pretty interesting idea.

I'd be interested to see some double-blind tests on subjects to see if their subjective experience is the same.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: psilocyben]
    #4097860 - 04/26/05 02:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyben said: have you tried supplementing with both the dried stevia and kelp meal?:zoom:




Not yet, but it is on the agenda.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: agar]
    #4098429 - 04/26/05 12:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:eyeball:
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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: psilocyben]
    #4100606 - 04/26/05 11:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If one obtained some of this from the health food store under supplement form and added it to bulk substrate do you think it would boost potency?


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: P2K1]
    #4100851 - 04/27/05 12:29 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Only one way to find out. There's a liquid form too. I'd get the least refined form available IMHO.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #4195886 - 05/19/05 03:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I just got done throwing away the biggest horse manure disaster I have ever seen as a direct result of adding Stevia leaves to my bulk substrate. And I believe if one adds Stevia to one's bulk substrate in the form of the extract, it will instantly turn into a bacterial nightmare just like it did for me.

I added 2% (per dry weight) Stevia leaf material as sold for tea (actually looked like tea leaves) to my horse manure prior to pasteurization. The pasteurization temperatures got too hot due to a malfunction in my oven. I am guessing the excessive heat must have released the sugars from the leaf. The result was almost instant and total destruction of 20 pounds of spawn that was spawned out at a rate of 35%. The whole mess smelled terrible in 8 hours. In 16 hours, it became so god awful that I had to throw it out.

If you want to know the effect of adding stevia leaves as I did or adding stevia extract, don't waste your money with stevia. Just pour in about 2% of granulated cane sugar. You'll get the idea (and smell it too).

I have no idea at all what Agar did to make his mushrooms stronger, but I can tell you he did NOT add Stevia leaf material in the consistency of tea leaves like I did.

And before someone tries to pin this to something else: the manure was, if anything, a bit on the dry side. I almost have never had trouble getting manure to colonize, and in my years of messing with manure, I have never had it so quickly go south. I once had manure start to colonize and not finish, but this is the first time I have had something this crazy happen.

My recommendations for anyone wanting to try this: unless you really want to gamble, forget about adding Stevia anything to your bulk substrate until someone like agar can tell you exactly what to do and where to get the exact leaf material he used.


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Re: STEVIA & POTENTCY [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4196007 - 05/19/05 04:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

As a followup to my last e-mail, I mean no disrespect to agar, but I simply want to warn people about this. I am not sure what happened, but here are a list of things that differed between agars experiment and mine

1) Agar said he used leaves and stems. I used only dried, fine leaves (the size of tea leaves). The leaves might contain more glycoside or may release it with ease. After all these leaves are sold to sweeten tea.

2) Agar added his dried Stevia to compost. I added mine to horse manure.

3) Agar did not mentioning heating his compost or if he added the leaves/stems after heat. I used strong heat for pasteurization which could have released the sugars all at once.

My guess is that one way or the other, my run had a massive amount of sugar released in free form in the bulk substrate and agar's did not. The sugar caused a massive explosion of bacteria.


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