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    #408424 - 09/29/01 04:39 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

yes we are... I BELIEVE MORE THAN EVER NOW! well first off i think that there are alot of the people that are trying to destroy the monkey race. BUT WE WILL SURVIVE! Who is down for climbing in the tree? so the zetas i believe are here from light years away coming to help us get rid of these evil parasites that are destroying our earth.. they want to take over this planet. maybe even this solar system... thats why they are hear to help... 2003 they say? 2003 doesn't even have to happen we can fix it all before it does. So who is down for saving the earth? I AM! Anyone think there is more we can do let me know. To the tree!

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Re: monkeys! [Re: Droz]
    #409340 - 09/30/01 04:06 PM (22 years, 14 hours ago)

Yes...get everyone in the World to show full support. Let's do it

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    #409839 - 10/01/01 02:57 AM (22 years, 3 hours ago)

Was that sarcasm?
Anyway, of course we can do it if we try. But everyone's idea of what it takes to change the world into utopia is different so the monkey people will run to the trees, the iranians will bomb us, our gov't will arrest the druggies, and so on and so on. I think by trying to change the world into utopia, you're actually doing just the opposite. People should just let it be for beatingimsake. I hope I didn't totally fuck up what you were trying to say. Anyway............

"'Knowledge for its own sake'-that is the last snare laid by morality: we are thereby completely entangled in morals once more."-Nietzsche

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Re: monkeys! [Re: the universe]
    #410063 - 10/01/01 11:44 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I agree that attempting to change the world will definately have negative consequences, but what we have to realize is that perhaps the good will out-weigh the bad. I know that in the current political climate, nationalism and patriotism to all things that are American (especially our precious culture) are the Golden Calf. That doesn't mean we can no longer be open to change and even strive for it. All change breeds conflict, and I believe more /bad/ will result from apathy and atrophy than will result from active attempts at change. Yes if people go off on a neo-hippy kick trying to relive the ways of their parents with the reckless abandoned of the middle-sixties, then there is going to be big trouble. But perhaps that is /why/ the sixties revolution failed - so that we could learn from their mistakes rather than throwing ourselves into the trap of repeating them in our enthusiasm. And even if we don't decide to change, it doesn't look like that will /improve/ matters much. The 'Iranians' are still going to bomb us and the government is still going to round up the hippies and lock them away. They're already doing it. It doesn't seem like we have alot to loose by attempting change. But that's just my opinion.

But utopia /is/ a dream. The world was not made for mankind and it will never be able to be moulded to absolutely cater to his every whim and desire. The best the world has to offer us is a place within, as an animal. There is no better, but there is a worse - you can look outside your window and see it.


Edited by Ishmael on 10/01/01 12:49 PM.

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Re: monkeys! [Re: Ishmael]
    #410171 - 10/01/01 02:34 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think the "60's revolution" failed. I mean look at today's counterculture. It's pretty much all based on the 60's counterculture. And even in the "normal" culture-the 60's obviously had a lot of effect. Blacks, and women have more rights. Psychedelics are everywhere. I mean, we do have a war on drugs now though. Anyway, I don't think of what happened in the 60's as a revolution. It was just a bunch of people realizing that shit was fucked up and deciding to raise some hell about it. And there were the people who realized shit was fucked up and decided to just "drop out" and smoke pot with other people and try to be loving. Personally I think the latter group was the smarter, because the people who tried to raise hell, just got the opposing side all defensive and actually slowed down progress a lot of times. The Viet Nam conflict would have ended a lot earlier if it wasn't for all the protesting and other attention it got.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that when you start trying to change other people you're usually wasting your time. Especially if you're using drastic measures. Not only are you wasting your time, you're making the problem worse. So trying to "change the world" is pretty much a waste of time. Just try to change your world.

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