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Re: Notes from a failed psilocin extraction [Re: pyronicx]
    #4084727 - 04/22/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It sounds to me that at the elevated temperatures you used, the psilocin was oxidized. it says in the link you provided that the oxidized version of psilocin is blueish in color. Tis really isn't all that much of a surprise, seeing as how acidic solutions are oxidizing in nature, and elevated temperatures just increase this. It seems to me that the extractions you've been doing aren't all that neccessary, however. I have read a few things here regarding extraction into alcohol solutions (methanol and ethanol). I would think these polar solvents would be better at solubilizing the psilocin anyway, given its structure. Try looking here if you want to keep trying the extractions.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4019092/page//fpart/1/vc/1

And chloroform is actually a great solvent for extracting aqueous solutions, provided there isn't any crap in the aqueous layer that would make the two form an emulsion (pure water and chloroform do not mix in any proportions or form any sort of emulsions).


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Re: Notes from a failed psilocin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #4085217 - 04/22/05 02:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)


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Acidic solutions aren't inherently oxidizing or reducing, it depends on the exact nature of the dissolved species. In fact, psilocin is actually much more stable in acidic media than basic.





I was under the impression that things like perchloric acid and nitric acid were very strong oxidizing agents, hence why they dissolve metals so readily. The perchloric acid, in particular, is explosively oxidizing when it comes in contact with organic matter.

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There is crap in the aqueous layer. Why would I be extracting pure water?




You wouldn't want to extract pure water. I was simply stating that because you have emulsification agents in your water layer, you're not going to be able to separate the two layers. Without that crap in there, however, chloroform makes a wonderful extraction solvent. But take from that what you will, what do I know except you shouldn't listen to everything you read on the internet. Happy experimenting.


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Re: Notes from a failed psilocin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #4085447 - 04/22/05 03:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Far be it from me to question anyone's professionalism. Like Hambo said, I've done my fair share of sniffing ether and playing with chemicals I probably shouldn't have. I was just trying to analyze what may have happened, so that the technique can improve. As Hambo also said, I think a lot of us find this type of thing facinating, so anyone who actively experiments with it is ok in my book.


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