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Driving & Tripping
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Come on people. Don't do it! It is irresponsible no matter what reasoning or lack thereof, you use. Here is yet another post from a 16 year old on his first 'real' trip almost bragging about this selfish act:

I almost panic then, but then I
remember to play it cool and start shaving (i did the worst
shaving job ever).... So I get in and driving is especially easy. I crank up the tunes and drive down the street feeling completly different. Song I hear everyday are diferent.

Let's see shaving is difficult and driving is easy. Then he goes for more...

L ate his and gave me one cap at the park about 15
minutes later and then we waited about 20 minutes and drove to the movie theatre... The world was really fucking with me this trip. M and L started to come up at the movie theatre, so we drove to an inconspicuous parking lot and M started to freak out.

Maybe this is one reason straight America wants to keep these substances illegal. Be responsible and don't give them a reason. I have read far too many posts like this one and people seem to think it 'cute'. If I sound like your father, so be it. In Las Vegas a while back, a woman killed 4 kids while stoned and driving on MJ. It is OK to kill people on alcohol, but not illegal substances. Needless to say, the media had a field day.





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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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Well said! It always amazes me when people do crazy/cruel stuff like drive and trip. Very irresponsible.


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: punkgeek]
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That's a shame.


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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I'm sorry, did I read this correctly?  You believe it ok to kill someone on alcohol, but not on illegal substances?  What exactly would be the justification in that statement?  I completely agree that no one should drive under the influence of shrooms... however I also think it equally as dangerous to drive under the influence of alcohol.  If anything, I would much rather have someone driving on marijuana than alcohol - hell I do it all the time.  Not that I'm telling everyone to hop in a car next time they spark up a bowl, but people know their own limits.  Personally, I find it quite easy to control my motor skills while baked.  Additionally, if I'm with a group of friends and we have to drive someplace (I'd much prefer just hangin' out, but lets say everyone really wants to go somewhere), I'm usually the "designated" driver.  Anyway, I'm just wondering how you can say it's okay to kill someone while drunk driving, but then turn around and say it's not okay if you're driving on shrooms or mj.  That's a damn contradictory statement if I've ever read one. :wink:

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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it could just be the magic hat talking, but IMHO driving while tripping (I'm talking level 1-2 or 3) is not especially difficult, I have driven during an ENTIRE trip once with two friends (well, except for 30 minutes we stopped into a hockey game, which needless to say was a bad idea), the only thing that is difficult for me (and I have drivin while tripping MANY times) is 1) I zone out ilke crazy, which I do normally, but it's like I am driving aimlessly and always forget my destination... and 2) sometimes the glare from street lights gets REALLY bad (like when there is a row of lights on either side of the street and the glare overlaps... sunglasses come in handy here)... I don't mean to advocate driving while under the influence of any substance, but I think the safety of driving under the influence of any substance is completely dependent upon the individual... anyway, I will not get all into it because I am probably rambling and sying dumb shit as it is, I don't even remember what my original point was... I'll just go now

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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I dont think he actually means its ok to kill people while drinking, he just worded it badly. I think he just meant that the media paid so much more attention to the marijuana killing than alcohol ones. Of course, if he does mean its actually ok, well then hes stupid, but I dont think he did.


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: geokills]
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I'm sorry, did I read this correctly? You believe it ok to kill someone on alcohol, but not on illegal substances?

It is NOT OK to drive under the influence of any substance that alters your mood or perception. I was being facetious as the media pays little attention to "just another drunk driving death', but will hype any death attributed to an illegal substance.

Sparking a bowl and driving is almost as bad. One of the kids killed by the stoned woman driver was my girlfriend's son's girlfriend. (Got that?) He was devastated as were the families of all the victims.

Not that I'm telling everyone to hop in a car next time they spark up a bowl, but people know their own limits. Personally, I find it quite easy to control my motor skills while baked.

While baked your perceptions and judgements are altered no matter how you "feel' about it. Most people have no clue what their limits are. This has been shown objectively in driving schools with cones and such.

What is so hard about sparking up at home or waiting until you arrive at your destination?



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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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For some people its quite a hassle to smoke at home or at their future destination...hence smoking on the way there.

IMO its not a big deal at all, especially if you know what you are doing.

Just dont be stupid about it and you shouldnt have a problem.(im talking about smokin weed in yer car, not driving drunk, though i do that on a regular basis as well)




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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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Tripping & driving = stupid

sucked into the vortex....

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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Responsible people know their limitations. If you find it difficult to drive while under the influence of a substance, then you should be responsible enough to decide not to drive. Personally, I'll take 10 hits of acid and smoke an ounce of weed and I'll still go for a cruise. I've done these substances enough to have a high level of control and focus, and I am a damn fine driver too. If I'm geekin' out or some shit, then I would be responsible enough to decide not to drive. Sure, you have to think about more then just yourself, but what's the big deal if you can do these things just fine?

Sad story with the stoned women driver, but not everyone is THAT lady. Know what I mean. Besides that, women can't fucking drive to begin with. And that's a fact... Jack!

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

Edited by Hydro on 09/30/01 12:23 PM.



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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Hydro]
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Not a very smart thing to do..at all.

People like u push drugs further away from legalization, sorry to say that but its true ;(

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: TrauM]
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No, if I can drive just the same when I am baked or even trippin', then tell me what the big deal is? I'm not saying that everyone should be driving like this, I'm just saying some people are actually capable of doing things that some people can't. Simple fact of life. 'I' can drive 'my' vehicle just fine and dandy when I'm baked or trippin' balls. That is my argument. Now I must slumber.... g'night!

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Hydro]
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You're going to get somebody killed some day, hydro.

Leaf


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Hydro]
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I can drive fine while tripping too, but I choose not to do so, not so much because of me, but because other drivers. Certain situations can arrise while driving that require quick reflexes, and it's not the best idea to deal with that when your minds allready going 200 mph.


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Syyth]
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I bet that most people who drive under the influence and kill people think that they know their limits and can drive safely. It is sad that people think they are different from other murderers just because they havn't killed someone yet. It is really scary to think people and can drive without regard to others. Many don't relize the truth untill they kill someone they love or someone else who they have never even met.

It is funny how people in our society always think they know their limits. I'm sure we wouldn't have any accidents if people really did. A video i've seen always pops into my head when I see people drive under the influence. A diverse group of people of about 15 are brought together on two strait days. Of the people in the group there are policemen, judges, and several other government emp. On the first day the group must drive an obsticle coarse made up of cones and sudden stop exercises. They have to drive the coarse untill they meet a minimum score. Everyone gets very aquainted with the coarse having to drive it several times. Then on the next day they drank alcohol untill they reached .1% bac. Then they drove the coarse again and basically did terribly worse than originally. The important thing about the test in my opinion was the interview questions they answered after the drinking but before the second test. Almost everyone (with the exception of a lady) answered that they were barely affected by the alcohol and would do just as well if not better than the day before.

The moral of the story is that we as people don't know are own limits. YOU ARE STUPID IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT! People who think they know their limits are the ones that kill people every day.

Evil will always provail, because good is dumb.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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I feel very comfortable driving while stoned. I would never drive will drunk or tripping.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: makedrugsfree]
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Driving while your drunk is a bit of a different story! This is a different drug that is effecting you in a different way. Besides that, they gave it to a bunch of goody goody loosers.

I'm talking about smoking some herb or droping some acid, and still being able to operate heavy machinary. I don't recomend it, but I can do it no problem. ;-)

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

Edited by Hydro on 10/04/01 09:02 PM.



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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Hydro]
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i dunno about tripping or after smokin good bud, or drinkin or whatnot, i would never drive then, but when I'm rollin I can do ANYTHING and sober myself up fast as a motherfucker. best drug for that kinda shit -- not that I ever really have to drive during such times anyway heh

It must be hard to trip if you anthropomorphize your shrooms.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Hydro]
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You guys really don't know how sad this is that you really feel this way. Hopefully you will learn someday before you kill someone.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Karen]
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For all you people who think your driving while on drugs is fine, it probably just seems that way. Most drunk drivers think their driving is fine too. Remember those gingerbread men you keep hitting are probably kids. Drive sober.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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Driving while under the influence of any drug is a bad idea. I personally try to avoid it when ever possible. But I've driven tripping quite a few times and it's not that difficult, It just takes some extra concentration. I've only done this on lower level trips though. Driving stoned is absolutly cake for me. No problems what so ever. Driving drunk is a very bad idea but i've also found that it's not that difficult to stay focused enough to stay on the road. I don't advocate driving while under the influence but everyone has found themselves in that position in which they more or less had to drive while fucked up. It just takes some concentration and a little luck. hehe.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Floydian]
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Actually no....I haven't ever found myself in the position where I had to drive fucked up.

I am smarter than that and think things through before I partake in any substance. If I know there is no other way for me to get home then for me to drive myself I pass on using anything.

Is it really all that hard to skip on night of being fucked up in order to not endager your own life and the lives of others? Are drugs really that important to you having a good time that you can't just skip them? If that is true then maybe you should re-evaluate your usage. Perhaps you should not be using at all.

Karen

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Karen]
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You can think things through as much as you want but that doesn't mean things will always go according to plan. Sometimes you just get stuck in a situation you hadn't expected that limits your options. And sometimes these situations can make it so driving intoxicated is a much better option than staying where you are.

"Is it really all that hard to skip on night of being fucked up in order to not endager your own life and the lives of others? Are drugs really that important to you having a good time that you can't just skip them? If that is true then maybe you should re-evaluate your usage. Perhaps you should not be using at all."

Your preaching to the choir here. And just because I've driven intoxicated a few times before doesn't mean I need to re-evaluate my drug usage.



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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: stefan]
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Why the fuck would you want to drive while tripping anyway? That's like tripping at work. Save your mushrooms for when you don't have any errands to do, f'r chrissakes!

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: makedrugsfree]
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It is funny how people in our society always think they know their limits. I'm sure we wouldn't have any accidents if people really did

come on... i'm sure that if everyone did know their limits that accidents would be reduced, but some accidents are simply that... accidents.  what if your rear tire blew out and you went into a spin (which happened to my dad at 70mph and he totaled our mr2 turbo after slamming into the center divider)?

additionally, i don't think it's cool that you guys are bashing people who claim they do know their limits.  you tell these people that they shouldn't be driving under any circumstances, but i know that i feel comfortable driving under the influence many times and that my friends also put their trust in me to do so safely... my friends aren't dumb and they wouldn't let me drive or drive in the car with me if they thought they were in any danger.  i realize that drugs will affect your perception, but it is the degree that your perception is affected that is important.  if you had just had some stressful event in your life, your perception would also be affected... if you were in a rage - what about those people?  have you been really pissed off and gone a little faster than you should have..?  not saying that i vent my rage on the roadways, but i'm pretty sure most people have found themselves in a situation where they drive a little faster or just aren't paying much attention to the road because of some outside event in their lives... am i right?

anyways, my point is that i feel completely comfortable driving stoned... if i'm drunk every situation is unique and needs to be evaluated at that time (i will be the first to admit that if i drank too much then i won't drive- whose to say what's too much, right?... i'll tell you who: no one but yourself!  unless you're an idiot, you'll know whether or not you can drive... when in doubt, don't do it)... as far as tripping while driving, i've never done it and to be honest i don't think i ever would... it would be just too much stuff going on.  so anyway, don't be bashing on people who claim to know their limits, for all you know they do... of course i'm not nieve and i realize that many people may not know their limits and think it's okay to drive - and to them i say: "you stupid, stupid fuck" :wink:... okay that was a little harsh... but seriously - just think about it for a few minutes and make a rational decision.  as long as you truely feel comfortable, i don't see a problem with it... unless of course it's your first time, i wouldn't recommend takin the freeway the first time you drink and smoke... give it time and test it out, see how it feels - you'll know if you're in control.  be careful & safe :cool:

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: geokills]
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<B>come on... i'm sure that if everyone did know their limits that accidents would be reduced, but some accidents are simply that... accidents. what if your rear tire blew out and you went into a spin (which happened to my dad at 70mph and he totaled our mr2 turbo after slamming into the center divider)? </B>

I was wrong to say "any" accidents. You are wrong to even bring that up since 90% of the accidents that happen are preventable. And we are specifically talking about intoxication. Even accidents that are the other driver's fault can often be avoided by a good driver.

I also disagree with most of the rest of what you said. But I don't have time right now, so maybe tomorrow I'll reply.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: makedrugsfree]
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I have three good friends who smoke a lot, and drive while stoned. ALL THREE of them have small accidents all the time. One of them managed to crash into the other one's car just besides him while they were parked. Iv'e been saying my last prayers while driving with the other them. The third one smashed the car of his parents totally, after he had several minor things happening to it.
Three people... All of them, think about that.
And may I add that I have driven while stoned, and I know I drove a lot worse than sober. Didn't have any accidents myself though.

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: makedrugsfree]
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Regarding: Even accidents that are the other driver's fault can often be avoided by a good driver.
this is no doubt true, and i have avoided cars in front of me that have gone into a spin, etc... i know that your reaction time is reduced when under the influence... but it is the degree of fuckedupness if you will, that will be the factor in determining if you are safe to drive... point in case the whole issue of emotional stress that i brought up in a previous post.

I also disagree with most of the rest of what you said. But I don't have time right now, so maybe tomorrow I'll reply.
Well if you disagree, then back yourself up homie:wink:. i'd love to hear what you have to say!

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: geokills]
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After re-reading your post I find that I don't totally disagree with you. I think you deffinitly add to this post.

I agree that there are many degrees to how much a person's driving ability is interfered with. There are also a great deal of things that effect your ability to drive safely, including emotions, sleep, and other distractions. It would be be an error on my part to say that you shouldn't drive doing this or that, because it may affect you no more than talking on a cell phone would someone else. I do think that you are dead wrong about "knowing your limits."

<B>whose to say what's too much, right?... i'll tell you who: no one but yourself! unless you're an idiot, you'll know whether or not you can drive... when in doubt, don't do it</B>

This is my main opinion about the subject:
It is very hard to tell what degree you are affected by something. That was why I talked about the training video. I think too many people are driving under risk to us all "because they know their limits." Sure there are degrees of everything. Some drugs affect you more than others. Caffeine and other common drugs can also affect your driving. So it is left up to the driver to know when to not drive. I think that you must go further than trusting your instincts though, and use some more common sense. After 6 or 7 drinks you shouldn't trust your intincts, you should make it a rule not to drive. You probably are smart enough to link the two and "trust you intincts," but many people are not. That is why there are DUI laws in the first place. I hope you are not in favor of legalizing drinking and driving, because it takes away our right to make our own judgments about the matter.

Enough for now, my head hurts from thinking so hard.



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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: makedrugsfree]
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fair enough... and no, i am not in favor of legalizing drinking and driving - that would be insane :shocked:

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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: geokills]
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Swami should be a fucken dare counsler or some shit.


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Re: Driving & Tripping [Re: Swami]
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I drived stoned continually. I have never had an accident while stoned (had one while sober, but not my fault).

I find that Cannabis does not impair my motor skills at all. Even psychedelic drugs will not impair motor skills as much as alcohol does. I dislike any sort of driving while tripping, though.

All in all, when I'm stoned, I driver slower, more carefully, and I double-check everything before I do it. I'm not saying I'm a better driver, but I am much more cautious. (A little paranoia is healthy).


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