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Yardwaste compost for substrate
    #4071665 - 04/19/05 08:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Currently I'm turning a large compost pile in my back yard. It's used for yard waste--grass, leaves, branches, plant cuttings--and also the house uses it for foodwaste (fruit rinds, vegetable matter, egg shells, (not meat or things that rot like that).
In the middle of this pile the compost looks pretty nice, has a decent texture (tho I think some verm and chopped straw might help a bit) but it is less dense and "soil-like" than the bagged compost/manure I've come across.
Would this sort of compost material have the nutrients we are looking for in substrates? Just pasteurize it and treat it like any other bulk pasteurized substrate?
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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4071727 - 04/19/05 09:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no.

the kind of compost you would be looking for mostly consists of composted manure and straw and
not just like the leaves and all the other things in your compost.
im quite sure that, if pasteurized, some mushs would grow but in no
means the result would be compareable to the 'right' mushroom substrate.

check out agars post, hit the search, he did a good writeup recently.
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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4071733 - 04/19/05 09:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The texture you describe is fine. It may have a good carbon ratio, but more than likely it is lacking in N, if no manure was used in the pile. You could add a little horse manure, or bone / blood meal to raise the N content & it should be a go.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: agar]
    #4071799 - 04/19/05 10:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys. 
Are there any guidelines for supplementing compost for nitrogen deficiency?  What I mean is, I have a ph meter I can use for soil that tells me when I've used enough hydrated lime.  But I don't have a nitrogen meter.  Is this something that can ruin a substrate if the ratio isn't done properly? 
Thanks! :grin:


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4071847 - 04/19/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That is a tough one. As, one caluculates what the ingrediants of the pile are, then the N content of them & go from there.

If you have any weathered h/poo around, just add & mix it to the compost 50/50.

If not, then add small amounts of blood meal.

Very small amounts. To much is worse than not enough.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: agar]
    #4071944 - 04/19/05 11:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks again.  :grin:  I'll do some checking online and see maybe call up my gardening store here--they might be able to advise on common ratios and know about the soil around here.  Thanks!


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4072025 - 04/19/05 12:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

be great for king stropharia!


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4072092 - 04/19/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Almost any green material will have large amounts of nitrogen in it, grass clippings, weeds, etc. In one of my gardening books it says grass clipping have as much nitrogen as horse manure.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: gryphix]
    #4072255 - 04/19/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think you want egg shells in your compost. I'm pretty damn sure that no animal protein is a rule of thumb.

Also, maybe you should read up on composting.
You want to keep the nitrogen and carbon as 50% and 50% of ur pile. Dead leaves, dead branches = contains lots of Carbon. Green grass clippings, fruit, vegetable matter = contains lots of Nitrogen.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #4072376 - 04/19/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's just used as a recycling heap, essentially, so we don't have to throw out food waste or pay to have yard waste hauled away. All food--coffee, tea bags, fruit, veggies, breads, etc. get thrown out there. It's a buzzing little micro ecosystem in the summer. The thing is just crawling with bugs and things. So I don't know how much of the food matter sticks around to bed composted before it's eaten. I suppose the nitrogen from the greens would still be present in insect waste? I don't know much about this subject....


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4072911 - 04/19/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

dude, trust me, that shit will BLOW regular compost away! Manure and straw are nice, but when you read Shulgin's commentary on biosynthesis of psilocybin and see the amount of tryptophans that regular yard waste contain, you'll see why, well, why grass trimmings, kitchen waste and manure make the BEST compost . Trust me :smile:


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4072927 - 04/19/05 03:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Egg shells are OK, other animals proteins are not. If you haven't been specifically composting this shit for mushrooms, it might not work. Get some manure and start another pile, turning it when needed, etc. Grass clippings and cow manure, trust me man.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: SoopaX]
    #4072956 - 04/19/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

This is exactly what I'm doing right now, using horse manure, worms, kicthen waste and grass. I don't know how well it would perform for psilocybes but i'm hoping it's good for agraricus. Hopefully it will give some nice returns.


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: SoopaX]
    #4073093 - 04/19/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm.  Interesting.  Well, I've tried store-bought organic manure compost bags, mixed that with straw and verm.  I really can't complain about this; the stuff that goes into bagged organic manure here must be decent--tho I've heard it differs from area to area.
I suppose I should just give it a go with the compost and see how things turn out.  It's not like a little experimenting ever ruined anyone.  :grin:


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4073150 - 04/19/05 04:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Currently I'm turning a large compost pile in my back yard. It's used for yard waste--grass, leaves, branches, plant cuttings--and also the house uses it for foodwaste (fruit rinds, vegetable matter, egg shells, (not meat or things that rot like that).




it'll work, you'll want it well composted first, and probably to mix it with a bit of poo, heres one of my many adventures in cultivation.



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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4073256 - 04/19/05 05:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It has eyes!

This compost heap is like 6" x 8" by ~2.5 deep of solid material, with leaves and stuff on top of that. So I dug down to the composted layers last night and it that stuff must be a couple of years old. It was still warm after dark from during the day and it's a bit lighter than soil and sort of brown. Anyway, I'll give it a shot. You think I should mix in some of the bagged manure I have?


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Re: Yardwaste compost for substrate [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4073389 - 04/19/05 06:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yes, add a bit of manuer, I'd suggest a 50/50 mix to start and you may want to
start turning that pile to get the rest of it going


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