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How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75?
    #4067149 - 04/18/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So far I have tripped 2 times on half eigths. Both times were amazing, and I felt in complete control. The first time, I took a huge walk with my friend who tripped with me. Afterwards, we went to starbucks and i looked in the mirror.. i was really shaggy that day, and i looked in the mirror and my face melted somewhat. I didnt have a bad trip or anything, I just got an uneasy, looming dark feeling after seeing myself.

The second trip was the best experience of my life.. we went to this very surreal forest preserve (huge bowl-shaped field with a row of flowers that goes on for 300 yards, rolling hills of soft grass on both sides, old twisty trees, and 1 tree at the end of the row of flowers which is very dr. seuss looking). Anyways, we sat there for about 6 hours just talking about life and stuff... fucking amazing.

Anyway, both those times were about half an eigth, and (i think) im ready to try a full eigth now (or.. from 3-3.5g). The only problem is, I am unsure if this is a good idea because I just broke up with my girlfriend. Its obvious you shouldnt trip when you have problems in your mind.. however, i know on half an eigth i couldnt have a bad trip if i tried (and i was still having relationship problems - didnt think about it even once either time). Is 1/8th where it starts to get dangerous to have things on your mind?

also when I took half an eigth, I felt in complete control (Was able to control my thoughts, and i only felt very mild feelings of uneasiness if i thought about negative things like growing old, having parents die, etc).
Do you think 1/8th would be very different? Both my friends really want to (the ones i tripped with the 2nd time).. and they want to take a full eigth.
I need your advice as to whether i should take a full eigth with them, or should I just go and sit with them (do they need a sitter?).
I don't know where the dividing line for being in control mostly all the time and easily getting out of control falls. (whether metally or physically).

Sorry for the length, ill paraphrase... where do you think the line falls with the amount of shhrooms that can actually give you a bad trip, or make it difficult to stay in control? The amount I took only made me feel uneasy for like 10 minutes out of the whole day.. and i felt fucking euphoric and happy as hell the rest of the time. I was also in control (not doing stupid stuff). I would say i couldnt have a "bad trip" if i tried. Would 1/8th still be in this category (actual bad trips become a reality), or is that iffy...? Also, I'd like to know if 3 people all on full eigths would be safe (ie, not doing stupid shit thats dangerous).

I worried about doing stupid stuff on half an eigth, and that was naive of me :o so how about a full eigth?

sorry again about the length.. im really tired and shitty feeling now because of today.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4067159 - 04/18/05 01:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

just dont underestimate the potential effects. Previous to my first 3.5g trip, my heaviest dose was also 1.75g. I had a few fairly strong trips and I didnt think twice about taking an eigth, so it kinda took me by surprise.

The full eigth produces more abundant and vivid visuals, but the mental confusion is really what caught me offguard. I was thinking too many things, and it was almost impossible to speak. But once I accepted what was happening, it was one of the most powerful and enjoyable experiences of my life.

Basically, if you can handle 1.75g, you can handle 3.5g. Just be prepared to feel some new things and know that its just the mushrooms making you think those thoughts


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #4067166 - 04/18/05 01:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome :biggrin:

Do you think 3 people all tripping on an eigth is a bad idea then? Simply for the reason of tripping eachother up. Even on one half, we would all be talking, and someone would cut someoen else off, and then we would talk about something else, and someone would cut that off. Eventually, we had to keep going back to what we were previously saying.. it was like a thought loop but verbal and with 3 people


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4067171 - 04/18/05 01:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

3.5 is great, i never taken 1.75 before and it is amazing, i ate 7grams on friday, intense, so intense i had a seizure....


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: KGB920]
    #4067174 - 04/18/05 02:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ehhh.. thats not exactly what I'm looking to happen  :wink:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4067182 - 04/18/05 02:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

it depends on the people. If theyre good friends that you really connect with, and you know that they can handle themselves, then I dont see a problem with it. It seems that if youve tripped with them before, you'll have a good time.

Me and one other person split a quarter one time, and all was well. Actually, I had a brief telekinetic connection with his cat.  :grin: :mushroom2:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #4067220 - 04/18/05 02:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You should probably try 2.5 next, and then do 3.5. The intensity of the trip as compared to the dose rises exponentially, so 3.5 you'll see is alot different than 1.75. If you work your way up, at least you'll know what's headin your way.

And that will just make you appreciate it more. Happy Trippin!  :mushroom2:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: MeThoD]
    #4067257 - 04/18/05 02:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The relationship between dosage and effect is exponential.

effect = r^(dosage in grams)
where r is some constant of trip magnitude.

So, let r = 3.
2 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 9.
3 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 27.
4 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 81.

edit: the constant r is subjective and probably lots smaller than 3,
but more than 1. the curve is therefore a little bit shallower than
the one I described, but grows at the same pace.

edit 2: forgive me, i'm an engineering major.

edit 3: formatting. where's my medicine?


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4067296 - 04/18/05 02:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hoo boy, here comes the coffee.

On my scale of trip magnitude, sobriety (zero grams) is defined as
trip magnitude 1. This definition comes from the properties of the
exponential function. The constant r is defined as the trip
magnitude at a dose of 1 gram.

The scale should probably be reindexed for milligrams of psilocybin +
mg psilocin, but I don't give a damn.

the exponent should probably be tweaked, too...

maybe it should be C * G, where C is some real number constant
and G is grams of dried shroomage.

edit: Damn. I killed the thread with my mathematical mumbo-jumbo.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: MeThoD]
    #4067860 - 04/18/05 06:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MeThoD said:
You should probably try 2.5 next, and then do 3.5



I agree this makes better sense, especially if the mushrooms don't come from the same batch. There is a considerable variation in potency from batch to batch. When you factor in this uncertainty, the 3.5 g could easily contain more than twice as much actives as the 2.5 g.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4067889 - 04/18/05 06:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BloodNOil said:
The relationship between dosage and effect is exponential.

effect = r^(dosage in grams)
where r is some constant of trip magnitude.

So, let r = 3.
2 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 9.
3 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 27.
4 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 81.




Personally I think the dose-respose curve is increasing and perhaps somewhat nonlinear, but not exponential.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: wjames]
    #4068228 - 04/18/05 11:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

haha, i just woke up and I'm really groggy. I started reading about exponential curves adn my mind is fried. I understand it, but right when you wake up its a bit heavy :biglaugh:

Btw, thanks for tyhe advice. I think I will eat 2.5g, and then I will bring a bag with me of 1 more g. After 1.5 hours (it took like 2 hours last time for the peak) I'll eat them if I want to.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4068628 - 04/18/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

3.5g is a whole different world from 1.75g in my opinion. the first 4 times i did mushrooms i ate half 8ths and then the 5th time ate 3g and then started to munch on more. i think i ate anywhere from 4-4.5g. very crazy night. it is much easier to have a bad trip on 3.5g than it is 1.75g. your thoughts go wild. somewhere on this board i remember someone describing mushrooms as an emotional rollercoaster and that is exactly what it is. 2.5g would be a perfect dose up from a half 8th. have fun....good vibes your way :mushroom2: :1up:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: mushiemountain]
    #4068899 - 04/18/05 04:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

3.5 grams experience will be much more intense than 1.75 grams.  Can't even really compare.  I got my ass kicked by 3.5 grams on an empty stomach, but they were much more powerful that your average cubensis.

You should go for 2.5 grams if you want to step it up, but if you really want to trip hard... then go for the 3.5 grams.  Just make sure you're in a proper setting.  :grin:

3.5 grams can be one hell of an adventure! and if you aren't ready for it... we'll I think you know the story by now.  :mushroom2:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #4069126 - 04/18/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Alright. I was thinking in that forest preserve again.. there were NO bad influences at all, it was incredible.

However, if I took from 2.5-3.5, is that enough to make me trip hard enough where I might to stupid dangerous stuff?


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4069296 - 04/18/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

From my experience, if I'm high enough that gravity is an issue I
won't want to move.

yes, that applies for both definitions of high.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4069864 - 04/18/05 08:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Limelight said:
Alright. I was thinking in that forest preserve again.. there were NO bad influences at all, it was incredible.

However, if I took from 2.5-3.5, is that enough to make me trip hard enough where I might to stupid dangerous stuff?




You should be O.k. aslong as you remember that you're on shrooms.  If you start believing that you're superman and think you can jump off a building and still be alright, just remember to think twice!  :laugh:

Setting is everything, make sure it's somewhere familiar, and if you don't have a bunch of external variables happening (like people popping out of nowhere, cars rolling by you at high speeds, homeless people asking you for money) then you should do alright. Don't worry about this sort of thing.  If it happens it happens, that's why setting is everything.  :thumbup: :mushroom2:

Go for it! I'll send you good vibes  :sun: :heart: :laugh:


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: Limelight]
    #4070024 - 04/18/05 09:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

To simply answer your question...

A lot. Be safe, and good luck with whatever you end up choosing.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4073665 - 04/19/05 07:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BloodNOil said:
The relationship between dosage and effect is exponential.

effect = r^(dosage in grams)
where r is some constant of trip magnitude.

So, let r = 3.
2 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 9.
3 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 27.
4 grams would produce a trip of magnitude 81.

edit: the constant r is subjective and probably lots smaller than 3,
but more than 1. the curve is therefore a little bit shallower than
the one I described, but grows at the same pace.

edit 2: forgive me, i'm an engineering major.

edit 3: formatting. where's my medicine?




Doesn't take an engineering major for that math... it's high school math.


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Re: How does roughly 3.5g differ from 1.75? [Re: MeThoD]
    #4074501 - 04/19/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was just explaining my mindset. I wasn't suggesting that I was
using some sort of high math, I was just applying math to a
not-immediately-recognizable-as-mathematical situation.

Engineering math would be calculating total trip units... graph trip
intensity by time and integrate to come out with trip-seconds.

but let's not turn this into some kind of methematical pissing contest.


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