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OfflineHrethic
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LSA Isopropyl
    #4063425 - 04/16/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Here's my question...

I was recently reading on overgrow that you can make a hash like oil with Isopropyl alcohol, by just soaking leaves in a jar with it, and then letting the resulting goo evaporate. You then smoke this or eat this...

Everything i've read about LSA extractions don't even mention isopropyl though, all they talk about is ethanol or methanol, and naptha of course to remove the baddies.

What i'm wondering is why can't isopropyl be used for LSA? I realize THC and LSA are two completely different chemicals, but if ethanol works for both, shouldn't Iso as well?

Please only people who know what they talk about for this one too... normally i relish hearing peoples opinions, but everyone seems to have 3 or 4 thousand when it comes to this; i only really wanted to know this from a chemist or a first hand experience.

Thanks everyone! And i did do a search on this, but like i said very few remarks come up about isopropyl, and none of them are definitive.

And also, if any dear soul wants to actually explain to me why it could or couldn't work from a scientific basis, then i'm all for that too. I can't promise to understand, but i'll promise to try. :grin: :stoned: :mushroom2::strokebeard:


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4063490 - 04/16/05 10:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sup, ive used isopropyl extraction with morning glory and gave the left over residue to a friend who only tripped a bit if at all compared to what he said.And im talking about three good sized pills worth of it, so i dont know if that weakened its effects or not. If your planning on using the extracted lsa id sugest eating them raw, or doing a water extraction, both are ten times more powerful then the other extractions even if you extract with 100% petroleum ether the trip wont be as intense.This is from personal expierience, all in all if you want to try it id say go for it , but 2 me it was a waste of time. lataz


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4063615 - 04/16/05 11:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man you should be able to use Isopropyl just fine. You should use naptha first though, since that will remove the stuff that makes you nauseous.

Shiin, that's interesting you should say that water is more powerful, because I've always found it to be not as powerful, because alcohol removes more than water...maybe you used different amounts of seeds or something?


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Shiin]
    #4063623 - 04/16/05 11:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've tried a cold water extraction two times. The first time i got good results (similar to a 2 gram shroom trip or so) and the second time i used more and got more sick with less effects, most likely because i threw up, and didn't the first time.

I'm interested in an iso extraction because it's so cheap to buy so much, and because from what i've seen it evaporates to nothing. I'm almost positive i wouldn't be harmed if i did it this way... but better to ask people who know rather than not and die. Dying isn't on my to do list.


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4063631 - 04/16/05 11:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Isopropyl alcohol is volatile, and so will evaporate fairly quickly. Unless you're using pure 100% isopropyl alcohol, the evaporation will be slowed slightly the more water there is in it (e.g. 70% rubbing alcohol = 30% water). You shouldn't apply heat to it though, because LSA is heat sensitive. If anything, you're best bet would be a fan.


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4063645 - 04/16/05 11:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yea Hrethic i dont plan on dying either lol. This MG stuff is tricky, yea blaney i might have used a different quanity of seeds, ive done the extraction a couple of ways and water is my favorite so far, but ill have to do each again as my alcohol extraction probaly wasnt as good as urs first time around. Ill try Isopropyl alcohol while its on topic. lataz


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Shiin]
    #4063658 - 04/16/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah water's fairly effective, but did you get sick at all from it?


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: dblaney]
    #4064033 - 04/17/05 01:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you can use isopropyl, ic done it, but the end result isnt as "enjoyable" to consume


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: DannyKindbuds]
    #4064037 - 04/17/05 01:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

now heres one, try throwin the seeds in naptha, finishin that step up, and soakin them in the ethyl with some nuggets, and then finishing

hashid?

(lol)


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: DannyKindbuds]
    #4064217 - 04/17/05 02:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

CHEMISTRY LOVERS UNITE!?

Anyone with a degree? Or better yet, anyone with a link to a place that has someone with a degree who says this will or won't work? I honestly think it will, but when it comes to my health i don't fuck around. I know you all understand that :strokebeard::mushroom2::stoned:


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4064817 - 04/17/05 06:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yea blanley, I fell asleep after I had dosed on it, about 30 mins after, then I woke up and was nauseas for 30 mins or so. Then i was fine after that, tho the whole trip i had a wierd feeling in my stomach, not like lsd or shrooms but a wierd feeling which lasted the whole trip, i couldnt notice it unless i thought about it.


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Shiin]
    #4065622 - 04/17/05 03:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the reason that most extraction tutorials/processes mention methanol and ethanol is because, for the most part, they are the most powerful solvents.
For example, pure ethanol works awesome for Salvia D extractions, but when i wasted and entire 1/4 Oz on an ispopropyl, let me tell you, the minor closed eye visuals very much upset me.

all in all, just make some moonshine for your extractions, tiss what I do

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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: NESpores]
    #4070127 - 04/18/05 09:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Does no one know of a reputable source for this information. I've been cruising around the internet for days now and still haven't found a thing... very odd


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Re: LSA Isopropyl [Re: Hrethic]
    #4070811 - 04/19/05 12:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you are probably not going to find what you are looking for on the net.

you can however find all of that stuff out if you leave the lsa part out. solvent wise anyway.


as for the lsa, according to a shroomerite here "lsa" isnt necesarily the acive ingredient(s). its apperently unkown. i made a thread in the gardenabout lsa. this is where you will find his post.


i have tried 99% iso on 55 rivea seeds. it worked, tasted like shit, and im not a chemist. nothing remotly close.


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