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Offlinedrink_me
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Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously.
    #4062320 - 04/16/05 02:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why do governments make certain drugs illegal? What actual reasons have governments given for making psilocybic mushrooms and the majority of the hallucinogenic drugs illegal? I know prohibition of these drugs must seem crazy to most of the people who visit a board like this, I just thought that you people would be the ones who might know. Where can a person find out their governments reasons for prohibiting drugs like this? There must be a perfectly legit way. I'm outraged at the UK government for (very nearly, if not absolutely yet) prohibiting mushrooms and I want to know their reasons. Anything remotely related to this subject would be very much appreciated of course.  :smile:


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: drink_me]
    #4062467 - 04/16/05 03:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Because if you eat mushrooms you'll think you can fly and jump out of a 12th story window. It's for your own good, you know.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: drink_me]
    #4062483 - 04/16/05 03:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

psychedelic drugs undermine government authority. of course, if the government was really smart, they would just infiltrate the highest intellectual circles of the psychedelic movement to co-opt and manipulate the movement for their own ends.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: drink_me]
    #4062513 - 04/16/05 03:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Come on now, don't make me play devil's advocate.

Reasons drugs are/need to be illegal, according to various governments:

1)Drugs alter your state of being. Which means maybe, just maybe, you'll become and individual instead of part of the "greater" collective.
2)Drugs, for the most part, offer some sort of intoxication. See: Alcohol prohibition.
3)There is a HUGE market for drugs, which the government can't tap into without either swallowing a metric ton of pride, or considerably changing their image. Plus, the war on drugs generates a hefty amount of money, which would have to be moved into controlling and selling drugs, should the ideals switch.

I'm sure there's more to it, but those are the basics IMO.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: drink_me]
    #4062574 - 04/16/05 04:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

power and control

guess I should add money too


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Edited by bellylard (04/16/05 05:38 PM)


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: barfightlard]
    #4062596 - 04/16/05 04:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think drugs are illegal because the general population is seriously worried about the health and well being of their children.
Of course this is ridiculous with "drugs" like shrooms and marijuana (especially considering alcohol is legal), but many other drugs like crack and meth have grave consequences on the youth and population in general.



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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: DieCommie]
    #4062608 - 04/16/05 04:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nailed it.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: DieCommie]
    #4062694 - 04/16/05 04:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I disagree.

The youth meet the drugs through users and dealers that make their available drug seem cool. The dealers are only there because the drugs are illegal. If they were prescription like other drugs then there wouldn't be any dealers to get the youth interested!

Belly lard is correct it is about power and control. They control society to be of the view that drugs are bad then keep power by votes because they will fight the war on drugs. Its the same story as with all the terrorism bullshit. The only terror that exists is a result of wars America started.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: Ego Death]
    #4062751 - 04/16/05 05:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry, while I agree with most of that post, the practical uses of perscribed meth and crack evade me...


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4062765 - 04/16/05 05:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think dano ment prescription like that......I think he ment regulated??


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: barfightlard]
    #4062809 - 04/16/05 05:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The war on drugs employs a lot of people. If it suddenly ended the unemployment rate would be higher.

Plus there's the pharmaceutical factor. For example: AID drug companies are allied with the US government in order to stop other companies from selling generic versions of their drugs. This is also true for weed. No company wants the people to have access to a cheap medicine that can be grown at home.

You also have the shit with the Mexicans when they started to bring weed into the US. Laws were put into place in order to curb the flow of mexicans but now those laws are focusing on other factors too.

The health factor is also a problem due to the fact that there are tons of JESUS LOVING fucks who think intoxication is a sin. Hopefully all of these people will die out in a few decades.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: downforpot]
    #4062865 - 04/16/05 05:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

a lot of drugs are illegal because of racism. If you look back to where the dislike of each drug comes from almost all are racism. opium = Chinese coke = blacks weed = Mexicans ummm I forget the others. Also all drug were legal till Nixon and he outlawed them because the soldiers in NAM were using them.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: barfightlard]
    #4062867 - 04/16/05 05:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ya :smile:


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: scribble]
    #4062879 - 04/16/05 05:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's alot deeper than that scribble. Maybe racism was a factor in some cases though. Look at salvia, as soon as the US government found out about it's popularity they began to push it into prohibition, and it wasn't being used more by a certain race or anything.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: scribble]
    #4063270 - 04/16/05 08:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

scribble said:
Also all drug were legal till Nixon and he outlawed them because the soldiers in NAM were using them.




All drugs were not legal until Nixon. Do your homework.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4063534 - 04/16/05 11:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Drink_Punk_Soda said:
I'm sorry, while I agree with most of that post, the practical uses of perscribed meth and crack evade me...




If someone wants to possess meth and crack it should be their right


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4063555 - 04/16/05 11:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have to agree.
It always strikes me as odd that certain people will promote economic darwinism, while arguing that meth should be illegal.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: Gijith]
    #4063640 - 04/16/05 11:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So you promote economic darwinism?


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: Gijith]
    #4063680 - 04/16/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'll give the historic answer. I read an interesting article that points to our puritan and racist heritage as a country as the means for certain substances being illegal. Laws were originated were used to "control" minorities (blacks and asians). I think most here will agree that some drugs are no less dangerous than alcohol. But Jesus drank that, and tobacco makes too much money so those can't be illegal.

Weed and Opiates weren't really available to primarily English founders of the United States.

Weed are originally surpressed in the South were it was primarily a "black man's" drug.

Opiates were primarily used by Asians on the West coast.

Surpression was part control, part preservation. These things were different from what our ancestors were used to, and different was bad.


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Re: Why are certain drugs illegal? Seriously. [Re: drink_me]
    #4063822 - 04/17/05 12:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Seems to be inertia.

It all started because of people who were against immigration and the temperance movement, which were often related. The temperance movement believed prostitution, drugs, alcohol and I believe gambling caused moral decay, and lobbied to have them criminalized. Obviously they succeeded extremely well with prostitution and drugs, not so well with gambling, and failed with alcohol.

Then the people who were against immigration associated certain groups of immigrants with the drugs they used, such as the Asians with opium and the Mexicans with marijuana. They thought they could help keep the immigrants down and maybe even dissuade them from coming to the U.S. by criminalizing these drugs, and so also had them criminalized.

Henry Anslinger fit into both categories.

And as anybody whose viewed human stupidity realizes, after it gets going, it requires a huge wall to stop it. Most people don't know the reasons the War on Drugs started by now, they realize marijuana is less harmful than legal alcohol, but they've lived with it all their lives and aren't going to change it. And since most new drugs that come along are psychoactive and easily labelled as "narcotics" by people who want to criminalize them, the people support criminalizing all new drugs discovered too for the most part... as long as tobacco and alcohol aren't touched.

For the government, it's obvious also. It gives them power over the people who use drugs, so anyone who's vehemently against the government, a figurehead for a movement, like Timothy Leary was, and a user of illegal drugs, could be "brought to justice". Like Leary was a few times. It also generates new jobs for the government, gives law enforcement a lot more work to do and therefore more staff and funding, and helps the government have a bigger piece of pie in terms of the economy by having whole sectors taking money to stop drugs.

And like the inertia for criminalizing the more obscure drugs originally associated with immigrants, the inertia for keeping alcohol and tobacco legal has stayed. Both have quite a history of use with people, and since the people as a whole used both in the times when drugs were being criminalized, Prohibition was relatively short. It continues to this day, where people have had alcohol legal their whole lives, have seen use of it, and see no reason to change it. People as a whole are sheep and don't change things that they don't see a flaws in unless those things immediately and directly hit them.


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