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vampirism
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true, but we are all using the same tool for the same reason - communication. Our purpose behind having a reason to use the tool is irrelevant to everyone else in the forum.
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fireworks_god
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4061160 - 04/15/05 11:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morrowind said: As humans, we have many things in common. You cannot refuse this fact- as English reading people who use this forum as a tool, the buttons do the same thing for everyone, and if we click the x in the corner to reply, we're not going to go anywhere. Personal, emotive reaction is completely irrelevant to the meaning. This forum's existence and creation ( designed! ) is objective.
Indeed, it may exist in an objective domain, but it exists in that objective domain in a state completely independant of any meaning or value. It exists objectively, but it is completely empty. Obviously, everyone using this forum has the conventional knowledge necessary to reach a commonly understood meaning of basic elements of this forum and its design. That does not equate into inherent meaning, it only equates into conventional meaning that is learned and stored within one's mind. This forum exists more in your own mind than it does in an objective reality because one's own mind gives the forum its meaning and its substance.
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Anyway, why are you taking my words at face value? owned
Why are you assuming that I am taking your words merely at a face value? Oooh, owned! 

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
#4061190 - 04/15/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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As a human, you first have to perceive everything going on here before reacting to it. By perceiving it, you give it value whether or not you want to or admit it. I admit it and voice it. Am I acting on my opinions in any way to harm you or force you to do anything? No! Geez, I'm an entity of extremes- Ill fight for a position passionately and invest all of my being, then I'll be doing the same thing for the other side, and I'll be genuine to myself in both cases. Ill probably feel the exact opposite of my initial post in a little bit.
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Why are you assuming that I am taking your words merely at a face value? Oooh, owned!
Ah, you did it again
infinite loop owned
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4061206 - 04/15/05 11:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morrowind said: As a human, you first have to perceive everything going on here before reacting to it. By perceiving it, you give it value whether or not you want to or admit it. I admit it and voice it.
That value that it is given is a result of the conventional meaning that we have learned from others. Whether or not this value is projected onto reality in a conscious or a subconscious manner doesn't matter. It is entirely possible to perceive and yet not project onto that perception any value.
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Am I acting on my opinions in any way to harm you or force you to do anything? No!
does this statement have to do with anything? Are you of the belief that my replying to you implies that I feel threatened? 
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vampirism
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
#4061224 - 04/15/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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That value that it is given is a result of the conventional meaning that we have learned from others. Whether or not this value is projected onto reality in a conscious or a subconscious manner doesn't matter. It is entirely possible to perceive and yet not project onto that perception any value.
? No I said the opposite. By virtue of being human and holding opinions you will create opinions based on observation. Because you perceived something, you must have fit it into your mind based on everything else you know. How can you reject the convential meaning you learned from others if it is a part of you?
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does this statement have to do with anything? Are you of the belief that my replying to you implies that I feel threatened?
I'm obviously fucking with you and have been. Or have I?
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fireworks_god
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4061280 - 04/16/05 12:23 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morrowind said: No I said the opposite. By virtue of being human and holding opinions you will create opinions based on observation. Because you perceived something, you must have fit it into your mind based on everything else you know. How can you reject the convential meaning you learned from others if it is a part of you?
First off, I'm not proposing that one rejects the conventional meaning that they hold. I am discussing the nature of that conventional meaning, and how it is simply that, conventional meaning. I am saying that no form of meaning exists objectively, that no object, no state of existance holds inherent meaning.
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
#4061684 - 04/16/05 03:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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#1 reason this thread is frustrating:
Ref. first post.
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4062774 - 04/16/05 03:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Perhaps how you should tell us how to think as well...
Their are many different stances and views on a situation, and the outcome, as well as the connotation something carries.... because all words, and beliefs hold the ability to be percieved in such a manner...
I find it frustrating due to close minded thought in terms of everything being static in terms of it's interpretation... but that's just me .
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everything is frustrating no way to contain the beloved we can only use our meagre assets to keep liberating it from snags.
like raising the sparks untying knots etc.
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vampirism
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for fuck's sake, im not telling you how to think
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4063559 - 04/16/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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LMAO
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4063765 - 04/16/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: This is a philosophy forum. ALL philosophy is subjective. If it were not there would be no disagreement to discuss.

If this forum is so frustrating to you .....
dont come here. jk
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dr0mni
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: niteowl]
#4064141 - 04/16/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"no. having differnet definitions is fine. Arguing about things which have nothing in common (except in cases where both parties specifically argue for the reason that they have nothing in common ) is a waste of time."
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Once more, your projection onto this forum, the meaning that you derive from it. There is not one single inherent meaning in this forum.
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Oh? The meaning of "Make a new Post" is the same for everyone. The meaning for "reply" is the same. The meaning for everything built for this website exists."
wow what a self contradiction! You really are getting out what you put in! ...it's kinda freaky!
this forum is fucking frustrating though. I honestly think that debating the Truth makes it harder for the individual to reach their own truthful conclusion.
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
#4064351 - 04/17/05 01:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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It was a joke... sorry you misinterpreted it .
Perhaps you should though in terms of your discussion... or at least write that way. Maybe you need to be more direct/specific to the extent that it can be taken no other way whatsoever.
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dr0mni
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that's another reason this forum is frustrating! Because you can't tell when someone is being sarcastic or serious or what...
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Psychoactive1984
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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: dr0mni]
#4070770 - 04/18/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also what keep you on the edge and causes you to use exclamation marks... frustration is good if you channel it with your left chi, under your right knee into motivation.
Is the forum frustrating? Or is it you that's frustrated with this forum?
Yes.
Yet we all continue to post here .
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