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#1 reason this forum is frustrating
    #4061038 - 04/16/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone is from different backgrounds and interprets important conceptual terms differently- some people just plain have them wrong for what they are.

Anyway.

I think this goes to show that there are benefits to standards..


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061044 - 04/16/05 01:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, that is why this forum is enlightening.

This forum simply is, regardless of your projections onto it.

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061051 - 04/16/05 01:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The Tao would not be the Tao without those who laughed at it eh? If everybody had the same conceptual connotations, the same mental mindset with the written word, this would be a very boring forum indeed.

An annoyance that provides variation is often a blessing in disguise.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4061058 - 04/16/05 01:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

no, it makes it stupider.

are you really going to tell me that two people fiercely arguing with each other about irrelevant things is enlightening? About as enlightening as an Abbot and Costello film.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: Ravus]
    #4061065 - 04/16/05 01:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

gah

no. having differnet definitions is fine. Arguing about things which have nothing in common (except in cases where both parties specifically argue for the reason that they have nothing in common ) is a waste of time.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061071 - 04/16/05 01:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Morrowind said:
no, it makes it stupider.




Once more, your projection onto this forum, the meaning that you derive from it. There is not one single inherent meaning in this forum.

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are you really going to tell me that two people fiercely arguing with each other about irrelevant things is enlightening? About as enlightening as an Abbot and Costello film.




Every perspective, every piece of knowledge, every glimpse of existance, everything is enlightening. Every moment of experience is enlightening.

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061077 - 04/16/05 01:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OK, let me help you out. You throw out an opinion, and I will agree with you...maybe I will throw in a nice affirmation as well.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4061080 - 04/16/05 01:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Once more, your projection onto this forum, the meaning that you derive from it. There is not one single inherent meaning in this forum.



Oh? The meaning of "Make a new Post" is the same for everyone. The meaning for "reply" is the same. The meaning for everything built for this website exists.

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Every perspective, every piece of knowledge, every glimpse of existance, everything is enlightening. Every moment of experience is enlightening.



I didn't say it's not enlightening at all. I said it's as enlightening as an Abbot and Costello movie. Some things can only be pushed so far.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4061086 - 04/16/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ok, le me rephrase. Some opinions are verifiable. Some are not. We keep arguing those that are purely subjective.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061090 - 04/16/05 01:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Arguing about things which have nothing in common (except in cases where both parties specifically argue for the reason that they have nothing in common ) is a waste of time.




I don't see how it is possible to waste time. Perhaps it is a waste of time when one feels that what one is doing with that time is not worthwhile, but what their idea of what is worthwhile or not is only applicable to them, so it is pointless to sit here and scold others for how they use Their time.

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061093 - 04/16/05 01:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Possibly, I do understand what you're saying, as I've pointed that out to my friends before, but to a certain extent, when people argue about things that may be the same word but are thinking of different definitions, it often broadens the communication in the end if they become intelligent and realize what the other person was saying. It can be interesting to see a person's reaction in a new light when you realized they were responding to a different topic than you.

Anyway, what are you going to do about it? There's really not much, you could define all the important vocabulary before a discussion like in high school English class, but that would be probably get boring very quick. It seems to just be one of those matters in any form of communication between two subjective beings that we must learn to deal with by trying to eludicate the meaning of our words, and even then it seems inevitable.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061094 - 04/16/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

This is a philosophy forum. ALL philosophy is subjective. If it were not there would be no disagreement to discuss.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4061096 - 04/16/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not scolding them I'm telling them the #1 reason this forum is frustrating.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4061101 - 04/16/05 01:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually, that is why this forum is enlightening.

This forum simply is, regardless of your projections onto it.

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I agree. It is what makes this forum so awesome! Standardized anything gets really boring after a while and doesn't allow room for growth, change, diversity or individual forms of self expression.

The posts that frustrate us can teach us a lot about ourselves.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061102 - 04/16/05 01:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh? The meaning of "Make a new Post" is the same for everyone. The meaning for "reply" is the same. The meaning for everything built for this website exists.




Nei, I don't think that it is the same for everyone. Meaning only exists within one's mind. "Make A New Post" only means something to the humans who have used those symbols to represent something. Meaning does not actually exist as an inherent thing.

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I didn't say it's not enlightening at all. I said it's as enlightening as an Abbot and Costello movie. Some things can only be pushed so far.




Everything is infinitely enlightening, as enlightening as one finds it. :lol:

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061107 - 04/16/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not scolding them I'm telling them the #1 reason this forum is frustrating.




Nei, you are expressing your opinion on why you feel that this forum is frustrating.

So why are we sitting here, arguing over a subjective opinion, an opinion that only holds meaning for that which expressed the opinion? I thought that is what you found frustrating in the first place.... :lol: :lol: :smirk:

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: Ravus]
    #4061120 - 04/16/05 01:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Possibly, I do understand what you're saying, as I've pointed that out to my friends before, but to a certain extent, when people argue about things that may be the same word but are thinking of different definitions, it often broadens the communication in the end if they become intelligent and realize what the other person was saying. It can be interesting to see a person's reaction in a new light when you realized they were responding to a different topic than you.




Exactly! :thumbup: Each discussion we have with another human being is full of the possibillity for revelation, new understanding, "enlightenment". Every moment is a new perspective, and each interchange we have with another adds to the quality and depth of that perspective. :wink:

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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4061124 - 04/16/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I agree. It is what makes this forum so awesome! Standardized anything gets really boring after a while and doesn't allow room for growth, change, diversity or individual forms of self expression.




I disagree completely. The medium has nothing directly to do with expression. Some mediums express some things more than other mediums can. Why would standardization completely limit something? It could definately hamper some things, but it would heighten others. Standardized or not, something good can go on. In this case, unstandardized things will be more expressive, and standardized things will be more constructive. Given the nature of language, I would suggest standardization in language is a good thing. Standardization of thought is something completely different. Note that I'm applying this to the immediate level- dont go up and try to refute what I said by saying unstandardized thought will create language, because it won't work.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: vampirism]
    #4061138 - 04/16/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The only problem with that regarding what would be hieghtened is that we do not all have the same goals here. The standardisation would have a bias based on what the individual who sets it wants to achieve with their time here.

I may frustrate 20 people and leave them with nothing but a head ache and yet blow the mind of one whose set off flying high with the same words. You never know who is going to say what and what it may mean to someone else.

I love that dynamic and openness here.


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Re: #1 reason this forum is frustrating [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4061141 - 04/16/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

your skipping around like a leapfrog and I see you're failing at some points.

Frustration is not objective. I never said it was. When I say something is frustrating, I'm clearly not saying it's frustrating you. Frustration is a sign that things don't sit well with you, which means you can let it sit or develop it further to a point that you will enjoy it. What do you think I'm doing right now?

As humans, we have many things in common. You cannot refuse this fact- as English reading people who use this forum as a tool, the buttons do the same thing for everyone, and if we click the x in the corner to reply, we're not going to go anywhere. Personal, emotive reaction is completely irrelevant to the meaning. This forum's existence and creation ( designed! ) is objective.



Anyway, why are you taking my words at face value?
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