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composted cow manure revisited
    #4055931 - 04/14/05 08:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

ok so i saw that post that agar made as well as a few others regarding store bought poo. this happens to be what i have and now im worried that i might have wasted $7 on it which i could have easily gotten something else that might be more useful than 70 lbs. of shit that doesnt work for bulk!!
one bag i have has total nitrogen of 0.5%, Available phosphate of 0.5%, and soluble potash of 0.5%. the ingredients are " a balanced blend of composted cow manure and organic humus". in the other bag the only difference is that the available phosphate is only 0.3% rather than 0.5%. also it doesnt say anythign about humus being present but there are definately like wood chips in there or something. so please tell me is this stuff of any use at all or did i waste my $7 and should slap myself.


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4055941 - 04/14/05 08:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I used this and it worked all right. Not as good as h-poo but, in a pinch, it'll do. I mixed with verm and straw and pasteurized it.


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4055984 - 04/14/05 08:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If I were you, I'ld slap myself. Do you really want to waste the time,effort, and spawn on something that , more than likely, won't work well. Good Luck.
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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: HippieChick]
    #4056012 - 04/14/05 08:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

shit not what i wanted to hear... so are u saying that it wont work?


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4056048 - 04/14/05 08:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Questionable to say the least.
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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: HippieChick]
    #4056151 - 04/14/05 09:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Why not? Although from poultry and not as optimal as going out and getting your own. Works pretty good IMO. My best friend uses the same thing you've got there (cow manure) and it works good. Potent sumbitches too! :


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4056168 - 04/14/05 09:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Don't forget. Organic humus is decomposed plant and animal matter. Good +'s for the mixture. :thumbup:


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4056214 - 04/14/05 09:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it works fine...just make sure you do like 70% straw 30% poo.


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: dobinky]
    #4056244 - 04/14/05 09:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think this is mostly due to the straw content..


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: prototypical_man]
    #4056351 - 04/14/05 10:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, while the bagged cow manure with compost or whatever is not ideal, from what I understand, if you pay attention to the brand you get (say, a bag from a locally owned landscaping shop that's labeled as organic manure, compost, with the ingredients listed) vs. a Walmart brand, you're probably better off with the former. Regardless, cow poo is not a good texture for myc to colonize. You need a more porous/spongy material (I believe agar mentioned something akin to loam?). Anyway, if you get bagged poo, you have to add straw, and most likely verm, and mix it well, so you get a consistency that approaches h-poo. No, it's not the greatest, and yes, you may get a bad bagged brand that sucks. But it will work, just choose carefully and supplement it.


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: GnuBobo]
    #4056369 - 04/14/05 10:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Because store bought manure, and/or so called compost is made from whatever suitable inexpensive organic material that readily available in large quantities locally, the content of which varies from region to region. Meaning, what is available for purchase where you are, will not be the same as what is available elsewhere (even if it is advertised as the same product, and national brand name).




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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: psilocyben]
    #4056437 - 04/14/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Because store bought manure, and/or so called compost is made from whatever suitable inexpensive organic material that readily available in large quantities locally, the content of which varies from region to region. Meaning, what is available for purchase where you are, will not be the same as what is available elsewhere (even if it is advertised as the same product, and national brand name).




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Scott's 3 IN 1 compost is a perfect example. A guy posts great flushes.... everyone rushs to buy/try it........ most results were not worth the time or trouble. Turns out who posted the nice flush pic's was from the Florida area. The content of what he bought in Florida differed greatly from everywhere else in the whole USA. Matter of fact, each region differed.

You cannot ship a 50lb bag of shit that sells for between 2 & 5 bucks, very far before the price goes up & the farther you ship it, the higher the price gets. That is why it is made regionaly & sold in the same area. What is available to make it from, differs in each region. Those are economic facts.


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: agar]
    #4057020 - 04/15/05 01:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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agar said:
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psilocyben said:
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agar said:
Because store bought manure, and/or so called compost is made from whatever suitable inexpensive organic material that readily available in large quantities locally, the content of which varies from region to region. Meaning, what is available for purchase where you are, will not be the same as what is available elsewhere (even if it is advertised as the same product, and national brand name).




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Scott's 3 IN 1 compost is a perfect example. A guy posts great flushes.... everyone rushs to buy/try it........ most results were not worth the time or trouble. Turns out who posted the nice flush pic's was from the Florida area. The content of what he bought in Florida differed greatly from everywhere else in the whole USA. Matter of fact, each region differed.

You cannot ship a 50lb bag of shit that sells for between 2 & 5 bucks, very far before the price goes up & the farther you ship it, the higher the price gets. That is why it is made regionaly & sold in the same area. What is available to make it from, differs in each region. Those are economic facts.




So thats whats going on there..makes perfect sense.

I'd add some worm castings (10%), some straw (25%), some coir (15%), some verm (20%), and then use 30% that shit. Maybe. I have no idea if that would work, but thats probably what I'd do...


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4057142 - 04/15/05 01:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense when you think about shipping costs.  No wonder we should shut up and stop arguing about it. :smirk:  There's no way to compare accurately!


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: agar]
    #4057174 - 04/15/05 01:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You sound like a perfectionist..


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    #4057282 - 04/15/05 02:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, only a frugal guy who tried a lot of differing bagged stuff & wasn't happy with the results. It peeves me to waste lots of good WBS/RYE, prep & PC time making good spawn, then use it & have the substrate go to asshole stinky hell quickly or shortly afterwards. :mad2:


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    #4057307 - 04/15/05 02:29 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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You sound like a perfectionist..




no that would be me bro!~

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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: agar]
    #4057359 - 04/15/05 02:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Youre a great friend to all of us cultivators....
I represent the entire guild in this matterr


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: PawPaw]
    #4057372 - 04/15/05 02:46 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrust me. It's not optimal. Just an alternative! :thumbup:


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Re: composted cow manure revisited [Re: Roadkill]
    #4057385 - 04/15/05 02:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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You sound like a perfectionist..




no that would be me bro!~

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