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Re: Logical Empiricism [Re: Deviate]
    #4055475 - 04/14/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

1) Through what process? It's one thing to suggest something, it's another to put it in terms of an actuality... what evidence do you have to support your notion other then your belief? Is it our existance with with all our current knowledge, are we transformed, do we get a new memory yet intrinsicly remember our past existances knowledge in terms of lessons learned? Please explain yourself. e.g. I think the moon is made of cheese, I say this because I've been told as I was a child it was, although I've no proof to assert the reality of the situation.

3) One can and does react to certain stimuli, the other is incapable of, and that's why we support it through technology and feeding tubes, at times respirators, iv drips, etc... A plant can sustain itself, and react to stimuli, has a preference to certain stimuli (not necessarily in terms of preferences of function e.g. chemical interactions).... A fully brain dead human is incapable of doing such.

4) You're in front of a computer, it exists, your typing on it and communicating sometimes rationally, sometimes senselessly... unless you don't believe that it exists... in which case I'll see you in the Matrix after I have a smoke.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: Logical Empiricism [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4055672 - 04/14/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

1) through the fact that we are existance right now. i'm not sure on all the details. if you need a more complete theory you can respond to buddhist explanations which seem to make some sense to me. i'm open to the ideas of the various theories of afterlife based on the fact that i exist right now and because non existance isn't perceiveable so i have no reason to worry about it.

3) if an insect bites a person in vegetative state would the wound not heal? isn't that reacting to stimuli?

4) how is that proof of existance? do the objects in my dreams exist as well?


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Re: Logical Empiricism [Re: Deviate]
    #4055694 - 04/14/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

1) :shrug: as long as it suits you... Although I suggest you contrive your own theory, rather then relying on others.

3) Cut off their arm as well... will they not bleed? It's a part of the function of a human body... it's not the same for plants, nature doesn't make compositions similar to Mozart/Bethovan.

4) Does the universe as a universal medium of gorwth acting as a substrate, extending it's growth through rampant mycelial growth.... and catalyziation of nutrients and transmutation of forms not exits? All depends on what credence you choose to give it. Concepts exist, that much is clear, to what reality you choose to give them is up to you, not for me to tell you.

I'm sorry, but how daft do we need to be... if you're looking for proof of existance, I hope the best... but some things are clear and evident. Does you computer not exist in front of you? Answer that please...


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Logical Empiricism [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4055879 - 04/14/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

1) i do contrive my own theories but they don't explain all the details yet.

2) i'm assuming its been shown that brain dead people don't respond to mozart.

3) that's sort of what i mean, we decide in what way things are real. some people don't consider their dreams real at all, others consider them as real as their waking life.


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Re: Logical Empiricism [Re: Deviate]
    #4055945 - 04/14/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

1) enlighten me, I love to hear new theories. :grin:

2) Not in any clinical test I'm aware of, but if they don't respond to voices or stimuli, and their brain is experienceing very little electrical activity, it's safe to assume that they don't.

3) Agreed. Subjective experience is a wonderful thing!


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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