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    #4054593 - 04/14/05 02:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST:

Because store bought manure, and/or so called compost is made from whatever suitable inexpensive organic material that readily available in large quantities locally, the content of which varies from region to region. Meaning, what is available for purchase where you are, will not be the same as what is available elsewhere (even if it is advertised as the same product, and national brand name).

Straight bagged manure is just that, dried steer/cow manure (most often from feedlots & dairies). It is not composted, as that process is expensive, equipment & time intensive. This type bagged manure most often contains high levels of salts, antibiotic?s, insecticides & fungicides. All of which are detrimental to mushroom production.

So called store bought composts are not actually "composted", nor contain anything close to what an actual "mushroom" compost would. Store bought composts most often contain mixtures of steer/cow manure, and "forest products".

Forest products generally consist of ground tree bark, sawdust, wood shavings & wood pulp wastes. These ingredients are simply sun dried, mixed, run through a shredder/chipper device, then bagged up for retail sale. The manure used is not optimal, and in combination with "forest products" is far less than optimal as a mushroom substrate.

Click the link below. It explains what the basic content of true mushroom substrate compost consists of & how it is made.http://mushroomspawn.cas.psu.edu/Preparation.htm

Take NOTE, no store bought bagged manure or so called compost is made of, nor anything even close to what actual mushroom substrates require, nor are actually composted.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054722 - 04/14/05 02:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

don't use compost or manure and you'll be good. you should only use WBS and wheat straw. it's really that simple.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: killabeez]
    #4054737 - 04/14/05 02:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i have some composted cow manure i bought t walmart for $1.77 and it has been spawned and is currently colonizing nicely


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: killabeez]
    #4054758 - 04/14/05 02:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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don't use compost or manure and you'll be good. you should only use WBS and wheat straw. it's really that simple.




No it is not. WBS as a substrate is far less than optimal.


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    #4054771 - 04/14/05 02:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4054782 - 04/14/05 02:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i have some composted cow manure i bought t walmart for $1.77 and it has been spawned and is currently colonizing nicely




I wish you & your substrate well.

Ponder many before you have tried the same. Most failed, otherwise you would not see vendors here selling h/poo or compost substrates. There would no market, if $1.99 Walmart - KMart - HomeDepot bagged shit was better, as good, or even came close.

Sometimes you get LUCKY. I prefer consistancy, rather than the luck of the draw.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054801 - 04/14/05 03:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Did my last post have an impact on this thread Agar? Your right on the information. I'm just saying some people that don't have easy access to a field can use bagged as an alternative. Not optimal, but an alternative.  :wink:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #4054832 - 04/14/05 03:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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ShroomGuy86 said: then what should be used? Rye?




Rye most often fruits out better than WBS. Best cheap substrate is weathered h/poo, if you have access to some.

125 lbs of prime h/poo that was free for the loading.

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054859 - 04/14/05 03:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I wish you & your substrate well.



thank you very much im gonna need some luck seein as my innovation of the pf tek jars all contaminated... however instead of being knocked down i went and cut away the uncontaminated parts and spawned them just a minute ago... wish me some more luck!  :stoned: :mushroom2: :tongue2:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054877 - 04/14/05 03:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hmm... a friend has got tons of old cowshit mixed with just a little dirt, lots of worms in it too. The poo is several years old, like 7, I think...would this work?


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054902 - 04/14/05 03:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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killabeez said:
don't use compost or manure and you'll be good. you should only use WBS and wheat straw. it's really that simple.




No it is not. WBS as a substrate is far less than optimal.





i knew he was gonna get pounded for writing that! set em strait agar! :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: killabeez]
    #4054911 - 04/14/05 03:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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don't use compost or manure and you'll be good. you should only use WBS and wheat straw. it's really that simple.




:lol:  Not hardly.  Straw sucks the big one in my opinion, and besides, it's a contamination time bomb just waiting to go off.  Welcome to the boards.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: GemMiner22]
    #4054933 - 04/14/05 03:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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hmm... a friend has got tons of old cowshit mixed with just a little dirt, lots of worms in it too. The poo is several years old, like 7, I think...would this work?




Less than optimal as it sounds more like dirt - than compost, but if you mixed it 50/50 with fine chopped wheat straw & a little coir/verm in the mix... it would/should do pretty darn good.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054934 - 04/14/05 03:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)



I feel were your commin from Agar. But here's some results from bagged poo, (although from poultry) 3 1/3 dry ounces from 1, 28qt tray cased with Sunshine/verm. Not too shabby IMO. :thumbup: Actually, 3 5/8's.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4054955 - 04/14/05 03:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ya can't complain about that nice crop.

Must have been composted a lot & I assume you added chopped straw. As most poultry poo (alone)is so hot, it will toast myc.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4054969 - 04/14/05 03:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yep. Chopped straw/coir/poo/coffee and a heck of a lot of lime pasturization. I lost 2 out of the 8 though. I've got a pretty good tek on how to pull it off. We'll see next round. Thanks!  :wink:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4055000 - 04/14/05 03:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

And I should add, some help from Rodger too.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4055016 - 04/14/05 03:48 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Really, I feel you can complain,or hope for better or improvement , with just about anything. Agar, what would be better then a 124 gram mushie? 134,144. That's what I love about this hobby. Your best flush is only that until your next possible better flush. Like Christmas every time you get a pinset.
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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: HippieChick]
    #4055050 - 04/14/05 03:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)


:mushroom2: :grin: :wink: :heart:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4055076 - 04/14/05 04:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

GOD DAMN! I am not worthy at all. NICE HAUL!


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: jamsandwich]
    #4055105 - 04/14/05 04:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: psilocyben]
    #4055133 - 04/14/05 04:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4055154 - 04/14/05 04:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Damn. That's some nice work indeed. :thumbup: I can't compete with that! Have you ever fiddled around with pure vegetable compost Agar?


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4055187 - 04/14/05 04:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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i have some composted cow manure i bought t walmart for $1.77 and it has been spawned and is currently colonizing nicely



I've used that stuff before and it works great. It even works well without pasturization.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4056647 - 04/14/05 11:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Please make this a sticky. I'm so tired of people asking if they can use store bought crap. Some won't listen no matter how many times you tell them its not a good idea.


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    #4056683 - 04/14/05 11:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

**Chants**

STICKY STICKY STICKY

Won't happen, b/c almost ALL of his posts should be put somewhere so that everyone can view them, he needs his own section lol :thumbup:

I agree, rye :thumbup:....Gonna try that special mix of urs Agar....Rye,WBS,and canola seed , Hopefully it'll go well after i spawn it to h/poo/straw

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4056863 - 04/15/05 12:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to start using a wbs/rye mix, but I was wondering about possible things to add. I didn't think of canola seed. I was wondering about safflower and flax seed. Anybody know anything about these two?


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    #4056893 - 04/15/05 12:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Please make this a sticky. I'm so tired of people asking if they can use store bought crap. Some won't listen no matter how many times you tell them its not a good idea.




Please don't give out false info. It works. Pretty good if ya find the right brand. Come talk to me next week. I'll be more than glad to prove ya wrong! :thumbup:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4057008 - 04/15/05 01:12 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i've got a story about commercial "compost." about 6 years ago, i bought some from walmart ($0.97 per bag) with the intention of spawining it with a couple of crumbled cakes. the "compost" was mostly sand, bark, wood chips/sticks, some peat moss, and topsoil. i didn't know the first thing about compost back then, so that mixture didn't seem a bit odd to me. so, i crumbled up the cakes in an old gatorade bottle, then poured in my "compost." well, the compost never did colonize, but i got some really good sized shrooms. that stuff turned out to be an excellent casing layer. as a substrate, it's wasn't worth a damn. i used it as a casing layer a few more times and also used it for cactus soil, but walmart switched it's mix the next year.


yesterday, at a different store, i saw stacks of topsoil, potting soil, and compost bags. i noticed every stack had at least one bag ripped open, so i checked out the mixes (mostly sand, wood splinters, and topsoil). i held samples from all three bags in my hand at the same time and could find very little difference between them.

looks like i found some more of that good, cheap cactus soil.


edit, to avoid confusion for the new growers: you do not want to use compost to case with. the "compost" i bought was not actually compost and if you go out and buy whatever is labeled "compost" in your area, chances are you won't be getting what i bought. so, don't case with it.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4057070 - 04/15/05 01:22 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4057105 - 04/15/05 01:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Please make this a sticky. I'm so tired of people asking if they can use store bought crap. Some won't listen no matter how many times you tell them its not a good idea.




Please don't give out false info. It works. Pretty good if ya find the right brand. Come talk to me next week. I'll be more than glad to prove ya wrong! :thumbup:




I think agar brought up a good point though. Manure is very cheap and so cant be shipped from very far to be sold at that cheap price. That means its bagged up regional and different poos will be available for different people. My store bought shit is from Maine (shipped from), yours isnt...it may work worse or better then yours. Just because you can pull results with poo bought at your stores, doesnt mean everyone else could do the same if they cant start off with the same ingredients. I think theres a bigger difference in the poo's then you think.

I got some "Composted Cow Manure" from Maine...I'm gonna try out a casing to see what it looks like side by side with hpoo based bulk. We'll see...I'm hopefull...they got lots of farms up there in Maine and this stuff says that its composted...this being a problem agar mentioned that bagged manure usually isnt done. It's pretty nice stuff as far as the texture...muddlike but with the usually additives it should get a nice texture..I'm sure hpoo based will kick the crap out of it but I think I should see something ok from it...who knows :shrug:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4057161 - 04/15/05 01:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I am going to start using a wbs/rye mix, but I was wondering about possible things to add. I didn't think of canola seed. I was wondering about safflower and flax seed. Anybody know anything about these two?




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Oilseed species or their close relatives, namely, flax, rape, mustard, radish, oil sunflower, cabbage, and sesame are excellent additives in relatively small amounts (5 %).


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    #4057162 - 04/15/05 01:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I like the term, "regional poos"  :lol:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4057269 - 04/15/05 02:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Please make this a sticky. I'm so tired of people asking if they can use store bought crap. Some won't listen no matter how many times you tell them its not a good idea.




Please don't give out false info. It works. Pretty good if ya find the right brand. Come talk to me next week. I'll be more than glad to prove ya wrong! :thumbup:




Please don't give people new to the hobby false hope. I don't doubt for a minute that some of it can be useful, but finding the right kind is the hard part. How many people are going to come back and say "hotnutz u sed i cud uze da horsiepoo from da home depot stoe', why u say it werk if it dunt????"


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: killabeez]
    #4057289 - 04/15/05 02:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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don't use compost or manure and you'll be good. you should only use WBS and wheat straw. it's really that simple.




You have that backwards.
use a good quality compost or aged horse poo...and you will get your best results.

use wheat straw alone...and your looking at maybe 2 good flushes...if that.
wheat straw is the weakest bulk substrate that there is.  :smirk:

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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4060954 - 04/16/05 12:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Take NOTE, no store bought bagged manure or so called compost is made of, nor anything even close to what actual mushroom substrates require, nor are actually composted.





so dose that mean that when i go to seattle and buy the prep pastureized High Mountain compost they they reselll that i am not getting real compost ?

be sides haveing HMC avalable localy we also have a local place that sells a mix of horse/cow shit vermiculite thats fully composted stuff but thats a hr drive to get but when i get some i will post a pic you just have to know what your getting befor you get it


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: snoo]
    #4062363 - 04/16/05 02:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Please make this a sticky. I'm so tired of people asking if they can use store bought crap. Some won't listen no matter how many times you tell them its not a good idea.




Please don't give out false info. It works. Pretty good if ya find the right brand. Come talk to me next week. I'll be more than glad to prove ya wrong! :thumbup:




Please don't give people new to the hobby false hope. I don't doubt for a minute that some of it can be useful, but finding the right kind is the hard part. How many people are going to come back and say "hotnutz u sed i cud uze da horsiepoo from da home depot stoe', why u say it werk if it dunt????"




All I know is it will work. I know several people that use it simply because they don't have access to a field. All of them having nice results. It depends on a growers skills completely. If I hear a rash of shit because it didn't work, you simply didn't do it right!  :thumbup:


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: onetime]
    #4062370 - 04/16/05 02:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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so dose that mean that when i go to seattle and buy the prep pastureized High Mountain compost they they reselll that i am not getting real compost ?





HMC is mushroom specific compost, of course it's the real thing. You aren't paying $3.50/pound for spent mushroom farm substrate, I assure you that.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Holydiver]
    #4062393 - 04/16/05 02:48 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

as a norm i use popcorn/straw.

i get a steady 1/2 pound dried product per 2 gallon/tray( after all flushes)

I have also used Scotts 3-in-1 compost with the same results, so the Scotts didnt hurt, but didnt help either, so i stay with simplicity, and only use grain/straw now. But it is a workable compost, and even supports fruiting pans.

Was a few years ago, everyone in the community was giving Scotts a go, and having wonderful results, but i guess the novelty wore off, and everyone went on to other things...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...true#Post750026


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...&PHPSESSID=

or do a search for Scotts 3-in-1 the results was just under 600


and Road.... i know your an excellent cultivator, your one of the very few cultivators here i respect, I know poo is ultimal but i get at least 4 or more good flushes from straw/popcorn.. potency is average( which i am now tackling by adding a high rate of millet) Maybe the extra flushes comes from the fact i over spawn the straw i dunno, i use 2 qts grain to each 2 gallon tray ( i colonize in filterpatch bags 1 qt/bag, and it takes 2 bags for tray)


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #4062669 - 04/16/05 04:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yo.....C/C

In the USA, the primary ingredients in composts made specifically for use as a mushroom cultivation substrate is generally straw, and horse manure.

No bagged HomeDepot, Lowes, WalMart, or any store bought compost product that I have heard of, am aware of, or have ever seen contains straw or horse manure.

Most store bought bagged composts are a mixture of steer manure, and forest products (which could be anything tree or wood related).

Steer manure is not a suitable substrate because it lacks a humus/fiber consistency, and is most often tainted with excess salt, antibiotics, insecticides, and fungicides. Forest products certainly are not suitable substrate material for cultivation of Cubensis.

For this purpose, you cannot mix two unsuitable products together, that result in a suitable one. True, some have had a degree of success with bagged products. Most have not. The degree of skill has nothing to do with it. The most skilled cultivator cannot attain optimal crops, without a suitable substrate.

Common sense mandates there would be no market for high end bulk substrates sold by vendors here, if store bought bagged compost worked well. As, anyone with an iota of common sense would certainly buy a forty pound bag of $3 compost at the local garden center, rather than spend $3 per pound (plus S&H) for an optimal bulk substrate from a vendor.

Certainly, you can get some bagged products to work. Just add lots of fine chopped straw, BRF, WBSF, coir, vermiculite, and use a very high percentage of wbs/rye spawn. I have, it fruited. But, not as prolific as h/poo, alone.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: Holydiver]
    #4063451 - 04/16/05 10:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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so dose that mean that when i go to seattle and buy the prep pastureized High Mountain compost they they reselll that i am not getting real compost ?





HMC is mushroom specific compost, of course it's the real thing. You aren't paying $3.50/pound for spent mushroom farm substrate, I assure you that.




i well i was saying tthat not all "store bought" composts are shitty becouse here you can go to the store and buy a marked up version of hmc they wont say if its the same stuff or not buy if its not than its a clone of equal value they sell them for like 25$ per bag must be 5-10 lb bags then there is a organic farm in snoqamie valley that has a really good compost i have had good results with the organic forest matter that you can buy at lowes a few yrs ago of coures that was yrs ago when i was frist starting and we lost it to gnats and worms due to not pasturizeing it most any thing that is cerified organic you will have good results with straw would be better for n00bs that dont have access to good compost


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: agar]
    #4064768 - 04/17/05 05:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that store bought bagged manure is not even close to real horse poo. This is not to say mushrooms can't be grown on it, but as Agar has mentioned, it is less (a lot) then optimal.
Foaf had some bagged manure he had used before he got real horse poo.

Here are a couple pics of it.

Here is the bagged manure



Here is a pile straight from the bag.



This is an interesting pic. It is the pile after it has been screened through a 1/2" screen and a 1/4" screen.



The pile in the upper right is the big chunks of wood (and plastic baling string) that did not make it through the 1/2" screen. The pile in the lower right is the wood and stones that did not make it through the 1/4" screen, and the big pile is what made it through both screens.

The plastic baling string was in the bag and part of the "compost". As Agar has mentioned, there is a lot of wood product in this compost. Both piles on the right in the 3rd pic are mostly wood, and even the pile that made it through both screens has a high content of wood.

The other major component of this compost is dirt. Leeching this steer manure is like playing in the mud! It's messy and muddy, whereas horse poo is more like mixing coir.

In comparison, here is some screened aged horse poo.



This horse poo that has been screened through both the 1/2" and 1/4" screen. Everything made it through both screens. There is no wood product in it and it was not "muddy" when leeching to pasturize.

Bagged compost and horse poo are like cars, they will both get you were you want to go, but the horse poo is the ferrari, while bagged compost is the pinto.


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Re: STORE BOUGHT BAGGED MANURE & "SO CALLED" COMPOST: [Re: shobimono]
    #4064787 - 04/17/05 05:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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    #12915803 - 07/18/10 05:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

www.blackkow.com/_html/howitsmade.htm


If anyone is interested, this site will show how they make "Black kow" manure.  If the photos and the info is accurate from their end, this stuff can offer some possibility's to the savy pasturer.

I have seen horse manure loaded into beds and phase 2 composted with remarkable results.


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