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OfflineUnderhillmaster
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Straw vs. Verm
    #4051338 - 04/13/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have just entered the wonderful world of bulk. My first bulk container is fruiting atm. I have a difficult time getting straw and horse poo locally. While researching, I stumbled upon somebodies method of using store bought poo and verm instead. So that is what I did. Half store bought poo, half verm, with some hydrated lime thrown in. The bulk container is doing very nicely, although I can't tell a difference between it and non bulk atm, at least by size. I plan to test potency this weekend. The purpose of this post is to see what/if any advantages straw has over vermiculite in this usage? I know straw is used mostly for water retention in bulk application, although it does have some nutritional value. Since vermiculite lacks nutrition, I am thinking of adding a small bit of brf and rye flour to my poo/verm mix before pasteurizing. Thanks for any info.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4051344 - 04/13/05 06:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

>I know straw is used mostly for water retention in bulk application, although it does have some nutritional value.

Actually it is used as a nutrient.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: Anno]
    #4051487 - 04/13/05 06:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So do you think a brf/verm type mix would be a nutritional equivalent to straw? I would think it would be better at water retention due to the verm. I am still looking for straw, but I had decent results with the poo/verm mix. I am still looking for real poo too. But I have some wbs ready to be bulked/cased, and I don't have the straw or real poo yet. I still have half my store bought poo left that I would like to use also. Like a lot of us, I have a mountain of vermiculite too hehe. I wish I had a camera, so I could show my casings and bulk poo/verm container. I used the 6qt Sterilite shoebox containers, stacked one inside another with foil between. 6 qts of wbs just cased yielded 1.75 oz. dry last weekend. My poo/verm container was 2qts. of wbs mixed with 4qts of verm/poo mix, then cased. It is looking to be very similar, but I am hoping for a possible potency increase. Since it is store bought poo, I am not too hopeful thought hehe. I am gonna try an 18qt container on my next go round.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4051777 - 04/13/05 08:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

u can u jus verm for aeration thats wut straw's purpose is is to provide airy pathways and sturctures so u could do pretty mucht he same with verm i posted basically the same thing last night


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4051857 - 04/13/05 08:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

your total nutes are less with verm. Poo will produce just fine though even at 50%


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: goofy98]
    #4052617 - 04/14/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Dont forget BRF is meant to be sterilized, not pasteurized. It doesnt have the ability to fight off contams like straw or poo when pasteurized. Not that it might not work in small amounts, I'm just saying, best to stick with bulk materials. Coir is good for texture of bulk..verm is good for water retention and a bit of fluffyness.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4053080 - 04/14/05 03:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like I just need a very detailed shopping list for a day long trip to the city(200miles away), and get all the goodies I will need for a while.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4054843 - 04/14/05 03:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

damn thats a pain in the ass... i'd just order them from a sponsor


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: SoK]
    #4056917 - 04/15/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Aye Scat. For adding any brf/rye, I would probably make up some prf mix and fix up some quart jars and PC for an hr. As it is at the moment, I am able to fit 9 qt. jars, container, spoon, and alcohol soaked paper towels inside my glovebox. I load up all the makings for one casing into it(6 qts of spawn/bulk material and 1 qt of casing) and make my casings one at a time this way. I clean glovebox between casings if I am making more than one. Overkill on sterility is a good thing.

When I finally make my run to the city, I plan to get 100lbs. + of rye, some straw, and some oyster shell. I will keep working with what I have til then. Once I get my 4 tier setup, it should be able to hold 24 of those 6qt. containers if I choose to make so many hehe.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4056951 - 04/15/05 12:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

>>>For adding any brf/rye, I would probably make up some brf mix and fix up some quart jars and PC for an hr.

Instead of doing that, it would be better to leave out the BRF. Make up some jars of half whole brown rice and half rye. Soak and simmer and strain, mix with a little dry verm as you strain (check my signature for the link on grains for tips on soaking and simmering and info about adding the verm). Do some jars, then do grain to grain transfers and let all your jars colonize FIRST. Then mix colonized rye and/or whole brown rice (or BRF cakes if you really want) in the same ratio you would have (normal is 25% so you'll want 50-75% colonized spawn for shitty store shit IMO) unsterilized in the glove box. Mixing it all up together in the container just covered probably wouldnt keep it as sterile as colonizing the grains in jars first. Its not any more work then you were gonna do either.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4056968 - 04/15/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

scat's got all the answers.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4056976 - 04/15/05 01:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

oh also did this 60% verm 5% brf and 35% store bought composted manure oner bag mixed with a pint is doing wonderful other mixed with half pint not so good.


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4057127 - 04/15/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not all the answers...just a few more possible solutions.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Straw vs. Verm [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4058692 - 04/15/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still working on some new techniques hehe. The search for real horse poo continues. I just now got to a point where I realize I am gonna have to start making full PC loads of casing material jars, so I will be making a variety of jars from now on.


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