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Offlinegnrm23
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google this! [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4044611 - 04/12/05 06:47 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

abram hoffer
living with schizophrenia
orthomolecular psychiatry
vitamin B3 & schizophrenia
niacinamide & lsd psychosis




hey, it couldn't hurt & just might help...


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Re: google this! [Re: gnrm23]
    #4044647 - 04/12/05 07:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

So please elaborate on what this means? are you Abram? Did this person become schizo only after injesting LSD?


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Re: google this! [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4044781 - 04/12/05 08:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Of course when schizophrenics take LSD and decide that the world
has turned against them, it's because the LSD travels backwards
through time to retroactively cause thier illness.

Makes perfect sense to me.


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Re: google this! [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4044835 - 04/12/05 08:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thought this was a friendly site, i feel a lot of anger and hostility, count me out!!!!


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Re: google this! [Re: Silent_Vinny]
    #4045515 - 04/12/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You know what, after carefully reading the orignal post, I'm thinking
you might have had a problem to begin with. Could these blackouts
from your youth be some sort of catatonic phenomenon? Wish we had
a mental health professional's opinion about that detail...

P.S. Tankhead: I really don't mean to be rude, although in my
sleep deprived state last night I might have, but the incidence of
drug induced schizophrenia is a touchy one around here... the truth
is that we know of no empirical evidence that drugs can directly
cause schizophrenia. It's the popular opinion here that
psychedelics can bring to the surface a latent problem, but don't
cause problems like that in healthy people.


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Re: google this! [Re: BloodNOil]
    #4045834 - 04/12/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I will ask one of the psych Doc`s wed evening on my next shift and see what they say. they are a pretty open bunch of guys. at the risk of pissing you off again i will say it is pretty well known that shrooms make schitzophrenia no better and probably worse. and like you say ?? if you are dealing with a latent problem it can cause it to surface, mid 20`s is the common age for a budding skitz problem to show it`s face.....


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: google this! [Re: Tankhead]
    #4046193 - 04/12/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The exact cause of schizophrenia is unknown. To put it simply, it's likely a combination of environmental and genetic factors which lead to the onset of disease. This has led to the emergence of what is called the "neurodevelopmental hypothesis of schizophrenia". If you'd like an excelent review here's the pubmed link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...t_uids=12795338

Early studies done on LSD found that it can exacerbate psychosis in previously diagnosed schizophrenics. In addition, the drug is sometimes referred to as "psychotomimetic" and able to mimic particular aspects of schizophrenia. It has since been found that while there are similarities between the acute effects of LSD and schizophrenia there are also blatant differences.

Thus, LSD may reveal (Or bring to the surface) an underlying psychotic disorder, however, as blood said there is NO evidence that LSD directly causes schizophrenia. So you are dealing with something that may reveal schizophrenia, but certainly has little to no role (if any) in actually causing schizophrenia.

The fact remains that in drug-free individuals, the cause of psychotic disorders is unknown. If we don't know what causes it in the first place, it cannot be claimed a drug does.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: google this! [Re: badchad]
    #4048703 - 04/13/05 01:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps schizophrenia occurs in individuals absorbed in the Absolute who try to attain a false euphoria by supressing it.

What better way to loose a grip on reality than by denying it's base nature.

Which we have been trained to ignore by society.


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OfflineGog
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Re: google this! [Re: Gog]
    #4048709 - 04/13/05 01:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I mean, by ignoring your basic nature, and your brain's natural intuitions, you attain schizophrenia. thus, most people in our world are schizophrenic, to varying degrees.

This has has been elaborated by writers who have steeped themselves in ancient traditions, such as Alan Watts.


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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: google this! [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4049772 - 04/13/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

PsillyNilly said:
So please elaborate on what this means? are you Abram? Did this person become schizo only after injesting LSD?






i googled this - www.google.com

try it sometime...




http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_hoffer.html


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: google this! [Re: gnrm23]
    #4050053 - 04/13/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Without a thourough review, essentially it's a collection of links of "alternative" theories and treatments about schizophrenia.

Unfortunately, these "theories" remain controversial, and have yet to be proven in any type of formal, double-blind clinical trial.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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