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OfflineOpenminded
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My new lophs (pics)...
    #4049095 - 04/13/05 06:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I recently decided to treat myself to a (late) birthday present, and got myself some really cool lophs. Thought ya'll might like to see. That biggest one is 9cm accross:









Of course, this wasn't a pointless buy. I REALLY NEEDED these plants, to increase the genetic diversity of the seeds that I get from my others. That was how I justified spending money that I don't really have :tongue:.


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4049142 - 04/13/05 07:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

heh, nice babies! congratulations!


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: felixhigh]
    #4049516 - 04/13/05 10:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!  My bro is getting me a peyo from a certain online seller.  It's already grafted to a pedro.  I like the spiraled one the best.  I have a thing for spiral peyote:shrug:


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Funguy]
    #4049633 - 04/13/05 11:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have a thing for all peyote! I love these plants, they're just so pretty. :heart:
I went through the fluff looking for seeds just now, most of them had been collected, but I found 11 that the previous owners had missed :laugh:. I'm going to sprout and graft them to pereskiopsis I think, since I've just rooted a few cuttings of that...


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4049637 - 04/13/05 11:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

gotta love that fluff! I've collected seed from my peyote, I should get a lot more over the summer.


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Funguy]
    #4049670 - 04/13/05 11:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, when I was collecting in that spirally one I found 12 dead flowers. I think I should be seeing a lot of seed quite soon! :smile2:


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4049680 - 04/13/05 11:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

one thing I want to know, is spiraling genetic or from environmental factors?


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Funguy]
    #4049729 - 04/13/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have no idea! Those plants which I got are all "lophophora williamsii," which I guess means that they grew from seeds taken from lophophora williamsii, but the people I got it off also grow diffusa, jourdaniana, kohreshii and caespitosa. I know there is a lot of debate about whether these are varieties of williamsii or different species, but my point is that there was a lot of genetic diversity going around, so the spiraling could be genetic, as could the fact that the two others are of similar sizes, but one already has three large pups at the base...


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4050301 - 04/13/05 02:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

well, the spiraled one does look a lot different than the other two in terms of the amount of areoles. That could be just from how big it is though. I know that the caespitose variety don't have such well developed "tufts." It's always good to make sure you have plenty of diversity in a collection.
I only have one caespitose, and it's grafted. I've heard they rot much more easily, so I would prefer not to have any more. I'm trying to get a nice collection of L. williamsii var. williamsii.


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Funguy]
    #4051052 - 04/13/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Although, I have noticed on some of my smaller plants that there is some spiraling - the second cactus above has ribs which go slightly clockwise as they go out, the last has ribs which go slightly anticlockwise as they go out. The same is true for the plants I have which are about 4cm accross, but it is not visible on my smaller ones. So perhaps as they get bigger the spiraling becomes more extreme?

I'd really like to get a jourdaniana because I love their flowers, but I'd be worried about its pollen fertilising my williamsiis! I want to try to keep my collection pure :smile: (that makes me sound like some sort of cactus Nazi..!).


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4051069 - 04/13/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have a question . . .

I received 100 seeds from an online seller, I have about 85 6 week old sprouts now. How many seeds are per flower/plant? If I got 100 seeds, does that mean that I likely have genetic diversity because that many seeds have to come from different plants?


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: jay9215]
    #4051085 - 04/13/05 05:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have a similar question. About how many seeds does a nice size button produce annually? I bet they produces a decent amount.


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #4051140 - 04/13/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Jay9215: Yes, you probably have seeds collected from more than one plant, and each of those plants will probably have been pollinated by more than one plant... You should have a good range of genetics, I think. Edit - I wish you the best of luck with your growing!

LiveByFreedom: I also have some smaller buttons, ~4cm, and they seem to make about 20 or 30 seeds each per season. It's hard to tell, because I got them in August so I missed a lot of the growing season. I get about seven seeds per berry on average.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if a big one like my spiral one could produce almost a hundred seeds per season. I'll just have to wait and find out!
Hmmm... lets say only 15 seeds from each of my small ones (including the small heads on the multi-headed one above) and 50 from those larger ones... that gives a conservative estimate of 240 seeds a year. I'm going to need to speed up my pereskiopsis production! And hey, if I get 240 peyote on pereskiopsis grafts each year, they'll start flowering after a few years, and making more seeds, to be grafted onto even more pereskiopsis... If I had enough room for plants I could be producing tens of thousands of seeds a year in ten year's time!! But sadly, I don't have enough room for that :frown:.


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Re: My new lophs (pics)... [Re: Openminded]
    #4055855 - 04/14/05 07:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

L. williamsii occasionally displays a spiralling growth form in habitat. In fact, I've noticed spiralling in numerous genuses of cacti.

One of the wonders of nature.


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