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big and dandy meditation thread
    #4044996 - 04/12/05 11:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

talk about meditation, all forms of practices and styles, philosephy behind meditation, experiances while meditating, past life/forgotten early childhood memories revealed while meditating, trouble with meditation? solutions to successful meditation, the big and dandy anything goes meditation thread is here.

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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: JCoke]
    #4045270 - 04/12/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

meditation has helped me to accept a lot things in my life that i was previously unhappy with.


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"Gently return to the simple physical sensation of the breath. Then do it again, and again, and again. Somewhere in this process, you will come face-to-face with the sudden and shocking realization that you are completely crazy. Your mind is a shrieking, gibbering madhouse on wheels." - ven. henepola gunaratana


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: JCoke]
    #4045272 - 04/12/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"the habit of meditation is the basis for all real knowledge"
~http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=meditation


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Gomp]
    #4045277 - 04/12/05 01:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

meditated a visit to her self


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Gomp]
    #4045291 - 04/12/05 01:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Buddhism & Hinduism. To train, calm, or empty the mind, often by achieving an altered state, as by focusing on a single object.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: JCoke]
    #4045443 - 04/12/05 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yup.

Mainly breathing exercieses to attempt to unwind and clear my mind, tends to help a lot.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4045539 - 04/12/05 01:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

mind can resonate with anything
one can choose to follow the breath
or anything.

one only achieves free will by choosing what they resonate with, by choosing what echoes in the mind.

until then it is all reflexes


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4045548 - 04/12/05 01:56 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"free will, as will, not willing.."
-Unknown :P


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Gomp]
    #4045600 - 04/12/05 02:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Free will, is as only free as the person's notions of the consequences.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4046172 - 04/12/05 03:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I mean the excercise of will
or should I say fill
free fill
vs. free will
what will you fill your mind with?
you are free to fill it if you will.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4046184 - 04/12/05 03:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

again! :wink:

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redgreenvines said:
I mean the excercise of will
or should I say fill
free fill
vs. free will
what will you fill your mind with?
you are free to fill it if you will.




:heartpump: :sun: :heartpump:

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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4046579 - 04/12/05 05:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I mean the excercise of will
or should I say fill
free fill
vs. free will
what will you fill your mind with?
you are free to fill it if you will.



:thumbup: :laugh:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4048273 - 04/13/05 01:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

alright, has anyone had a past life experiance or anything interesting like that while meditating?


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: JCoke]
    #4049098 - 04/13/05 06:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

There is a difference between concentration, meditation and contemplation.

http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/index_html


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4049484 - 04/13/05 10:02 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in concentration, a routine is practiced and the will that is so excercised fills the field of attention, while in contemplation, a train of thought is permitted to fill the field of attention.
both may wobble, or wander.

a strong meditator brings it back without punishing him/her/self and resumes.

some cultures call both meditation, others are more selective.
some subdivide meditation to concentration meditation and insight meditation - but they are interrelated, as insight does not really function until concentration (relaxation) has been established.

the thing about past life visions, etc. may actually fall under the general category of phenomena or Mara - delusion, or Shiddhi - magic, which is not sought but which may sideswipe the meditator and should be treated like mara.

siddhi is interpreted as an extension of joy in concentration meditation, and joy includes the following in cutures that discuss jhanas in concentration meditation:
1. shaking
2. heat
3. levitation
4. siddhi's - eg. far sight, telepathy, maifestations, telekinesis -moving objects etc.


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4049558 - 04/13/05 10:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree.

Normal mind


Concentrating mind


Meditating mind


Contemplating mind


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Edited by Delusion_of_Self (04/13/05 10:37 AM)


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4049598 - 04/13/05 10:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Delusion_of_Self said:
I disagree.

Normal mind


Concentrating mind


Meditating mind


Contemplating mind





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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Gomp]
    #4049611 - 04/13/05 10:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you mean contemplation == experiencing of nonduality?
(btw I do like the diagrammatic force)


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4049665 - 04/13/05 11:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Of course contemplation is beyond duality, it is not a limited state of consciousness.

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http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/


Contemplation means our conscious oneness with the infinite, eternal Absolute. In contemplation the Creator and the creation, the lover and the Beloved, the knower and the known become one. One moment we are the divine lover and God is the Supreme Beloved The next moment we change roles. In contemplation we become one with the Creator and see the whole universe inside us. At that time when we look at our own existence, we do not see a human being. We see something like a dynamo of light, peace and bliss.





Both Paramahansa Yogananda and Sri Chinmoy are good sources... I can recommend them with a clean conscious.

If you want to read something amazing check this chapter from Yogananda's autobiography. It's called the "Law of Miracles" it explains a lot interesting stuff...too interesting i might say...For the skeptics there is a lot of science involved so is not a matter of blind belief.

http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/30.asp


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Re: big and dandy meditation thread [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4049682 - 04/13/05 11:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/c...n/document_view


After we have finished meditating, how do we go about contemplating?

Contemplation comes after many years, when one is very advanced in the spiritual life. Contemplation is the highest rung of the inner ladder. Very, very few spiritual aspirants have the capacity to do even limited contemplation, and they certainly cannot do so at their sweet will.

Contemplation must be mastered before God-realisation, so it cannot be ignored or avoided. But, in your case, the necessity for contemplation has not come because your concentration and your meditation are not yet perfect. When your concentration is perfect and your meditation is perfect, at that time your contemplation will also have to be perfected. Then you will really be able to enter into the Highest.







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