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OfflineCuI210us
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420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions.
    #4042909 - 04/11/05 10:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys,
420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.

The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.

Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4042924 - 04/11/05 10:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty sure everything should be good.

My advise would be when you inhale the amount of smoke you want to inhale in that puff, make sure to fill the rest of your lungs up with air, as to push down the smoke deep in your lungs.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4042930 - 04/11/05 10:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

huh, Lexapro for GAD---Ive never really heard of an SSRI being prescribed for anxiety. The lexapro shouldt negatively react with the reefer....this is taken from Erowid of Maoi's and SSRIs and recreational drugs

--Avoid mixing MAOIs and SSRIs.
This can lead to serotonin syndrome and can be dangerous.


--Do not mix MAOIs with Stimulants (including MDMA).
This can lead to hypertensive crisis and can be deadly.

--SSRIs in Combination with MDMA
Generally reduces the effects of the MDMA significantly.

--SSRIs in Combination with Psychedelics
Generally reduce the effects of the psychedelic a bit.

--MAOIs in Combination with Psychedelics
Generally increase the effects of the psychedelic significantly. Be extremely careful.


Nothing is listed for Mariguana so Id assume there is no reaction (postive or negative) at all.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4042932 - 04/11/05 10:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

And remember to take it easy.

Don't inhale so much that your lungs become so painful that you can't smoke anymore.

(I'm assuming you don't smoke cigarettes... if you do it will probably be easier.)


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4042955 - 04/11/05 10:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Actually I do smoke cigarettes and cigars all the time, but so far thanks for the great advice.

Oh yea, by the way, Lexapro works awsome for GAD, I use a really small dose, like 5mg a day. But it does help. Heres some quote from the lexapro site "LEXAPRO has been prescribed successfully to millions of people with depression. Now Lexapro can help alleviate the symptoms of Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) in adults."

Thought i would through that in there.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4043006 - 04/11/05 11:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You might need to smoke quite a bit to "break through" and get high the first time, for me I never got stoned until my third time smoking when we went through a huge sack out of a nice foot n' halfer bong. After that I was fucking GONE, probably the third highest I've ever been. It was great... :laugh: Of course, I know plenty of people that got completely baked their first time, I just wanted to warn ya to keep smoking till you 'really' feel it...

Have fun!
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: eggystardust]
    #4043060 - 04/11/05 11:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

One last question, I was offered a chance to trip on shrooms also, but I declined it because my mom has a slight case of Schizophrenia. I know that shrooms have a chance of activating schizophrnia in people who are related to anyone who has it.

Marijuana doesnt contribute to this effect does it?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4043078 - 04/11/05 11:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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One last question, I was offered a chance to trip on shrooms also, but I declined it because my mom has a slight case of Schizophrenia. I know that shrooms have a chance of activating schizophrnia in people who are related to anyone who has it.

Marijuana doesnt contribute to this effect does it?



No, MJ wont activate schizophrenia Pretty sure of it. But if I were you I would stay away from most psycadelics. Its your choice, but I wouldn't want to take any chances.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Stonerguy]
    #4043118 - 04/11/05 11:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

is bud considered a psycadelic? like i thought it was in like a different category then shrooms. Sorry for the dumb questions, just tryin to find out as much as possible.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4043161 - 04/11/05 11:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

cant you mix mj with anything and still be safe?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4043170 - 04/11/05 11:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Sort of.

But they're no where near as intense as your average psychedelic dose.

Cannabis works on different receptors than mushrooms, or acid, or mescaline, etc etc.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4043239 - 04/12/05 12:10 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Im not sure psychadelics will simply "turn on" schizophrenia but they will certainly bring it to the surface. Depending on your age, you can kind of tell whether or not you are susceptible to psychotic disorders. MJ will certianly not have any reaction with underlying schizophrenia


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4043336 - 04/12/05 12:33 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Nothing is listed for Mariguana so Id assume there is no reaction (postive or negative) at all.




I don't know about SSRIs, but psychoactive MAOIs have been said to greatly potentiate marijuana (or does marijuana potentiate them?) People who have taken syrian rue and then smoked marijuana have reported to get a much longer more hallucinogenic high and such.

I'm not sure whether or not this is the case with medical MAOIs though, and if you can handle your pot it probably wouldn't even be a problem.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Ravus]
    #4043462 - 04/12/05 01:03 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The Hallucinogenic properties of mariguna would probably be increased by MAOI's from the first response I made taken off erowid. Even though Cannibis is classified as a "halluciogen" we all know reefer has more properties of a depressant than our other beloeved shrooms, Mescaline, DMT and LSD. The effects of MAOI's on a Pot buzz would probably be to subtle to notice. The drug at hand (lexapro) is an SSRI which in combination with psychadelics has shown to lower its effects, but once again----with pot atleast, Im sure the user wouldnt even notice the difference. (especially if its his first time) Besides the obvious like operating heavy machinery, little precaution has to be taken when experimenting with cannibis.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Ravus]
    #4043476 - 04/12/05 01:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I've never seen any reports of MAOIs increasing the effects of weed.

I don't even see how it could be possible.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4044468 - 04/12/05 07:35 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Im not sure psychadelics will simply "turn on" schizophrenia but they will certainly bring it to the surface. Depending on your age, you can kind of tell whether or not you are susceptible to psychotic disorders. MJ will certianly not have any reaction with underlying schizophrenia




Sorry, but that is simply wrong, of all drugs that have been linked to schizophrenia marijuana is well documented and according to research dramatically increases the chance of developing schizophrenia.

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Reducing Your Risk of Getting Schizophrenia

Environmental factors that have been linked to the development of schizophrenia include:

1. Street Drugs increase risk of Schizophrenia - Use of street drugs (marijuana/hash - cannabis, etc.) have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing schizophrenia. Psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 per cent of schizophrenia cases. Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700 per cent for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does develop it.

Professor Murray has just completed a 15-year study of more than 750 adolescents in conjunction with colleagues at King's College London and the University of Otago in New Zealand.

Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if they were regular cannabis smokers at 15 compared to 1.65 times for those who did not report regular use until 18.

Many researchers now believe that using the drug while the brain is still developing boosts levels of the chemical dopamine in the brain, which can directly lead to schizophrenia.

Professor John Henry, clinical toxicologist at Imperial College London said research had shown that people with a certain genetic makeup who use the drug face a ten times (1000%) higher risk of schizophrenia. (for example - if your risk of schizophrenia was 10% prior to taking cannabis, it would be 90% -- or almost guaranteed - after taking cannabis).

A recent Dutch study showed that teenagers who indulge in cannabis as few as five times in their life significantly increase their risk of psychotic symptoms.


Today, there are over 30 published scientific research papers linking marijuana to schizophrenia or other mental disorders (see below). The increase in evidence during the past decade could be tied to the increased potency of marijuana. A review by the British Lung Association says that the cannabis available on the streets today is 15 times more powerful than the joints being smoked three decades ago.



Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable.

Melbourne University's Professor David Castle stated in a February, 2005 interview that heavy drug use during formative times of life, such as the years at school, could affect the way a teenager or young adult thought, impairing cognitive ability and having a long-term impact on job prospects. Victorian studies had revealed that regular use of cannabis by adolescent girls could trigger long-term depression. And for those vulnerable to a psychotic disorder, even a small amount of cannabis could pose a threat.

Professor Castle, author of the book Marijuana and Madness, said those with this "psychotic proneness" were those who had a family history of mental illness or who had had a bad response on their first use of cannabis or to a tiny amount. Others at risk included those who had experienced a psychotic episode where they had paranoid thinking or heard a voice calling their name. Professor Castle said experiencing such a one-off episode was far more common than people thought.

"People with such a vulnerability should avoid cannabis like the plague," he said.

Without the effects of the drug, such a person might live their whole life without ever experiencing mental health problems. It has been estimated, for example, that one in 20 people that have schizophrenia today would never have developed the illness without exposure to cannabis.

Professor Castle compared the effect to feeding sweets to a diabetic. While high sugar content foods did not cause too many problems for most people in the short term, they could be catastrophic for diabetics.

He said there was an accumulative effect when it came to cannabis use and schizophrenia. Those who used the drug more than once a week were more prone to needing hospitalisation and often suffered other associated problems such as the breakdown of relations with their family, isolation, crime and violence.

* Cannabis impacts on neurotransmitters that regulate how arousal and stress are managed in the brain. Cannabis takes a long time to metabolise, and can quickly build up to high levels in the body. Once you get to this point, there is a real risk of depression or schizophrenia being triggered.

* A Swedish study of 50,000 military conscripts found heavy use of cannabis increased the risk of suicide by four times. A Victorian study of 2332 adolescents found weekly use increased the risk of suicide attempts among females by five times. Weekly use as a teenager doubled the risk of depression and anxiety. Daily use at the age of 20 boosted the risk of depression and anxiety by five times.


Action: If you want to avoid getting schizophrenia - research suggests that the number one thing you should avoid are street drugs (especially marijuana/cannabis - but because you never know what someone has put into a street drug, all of them are dangerous). By avoiding use of all street drugs research suggests that you can greatly reduce the chance (by as much as 50% to 80%) that you'll develop schizophrenia. Avoiding marijuana after developing schizophrenia also helps reduce relapse rates. Some people with schizophrenia suggest that it makes them feel better, but if depression is an issue we recommend these people talk to their Psych-Doc about possible anti-depressant use rather than street drugs.

Do not use even small amounts of cannabis if you have a family history of mental illness, have had an episode of paranoid thinking or hearing voices or had a bad response when first using cannabis or when using a small amount.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: DoDo]
    #4044692 - 04/12/05 09:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

May I ask, where did you copy that info from? If your going to copy and past info from the net, please site the website form which you got it from, thanks :smile:.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: gdman]
    #4044712 - 04/12/05 09:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I forgot: source

Links to the referred research can also be found here.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: DoDo]
    #4047546 - 04/12/05 09:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

alright, so i guess i can cross mj and shrooms off my list of things to get high off of, what else is left that i can do?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4047629 - 04/12/05 10:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

....roller coaster? :frown:

What is left would have to be stimulates. All psychedelics can bring forward the symptoms your not looking for :/


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4047634 - 04/12/05 10:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldnt rule out MJ just yet, I dont trust the validity of that research or the source. Just as I wouldnt trust the DEAs opinion of psychadelics.

THC works on the Cannabinoid receptors in your brain.

Schizophrenia seems to be a serotonin related problem.
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/schizoserotonin.htm

THC does not change the Serotonin activities of your brain.

I dont think theres ever been any reported cases of Schizophrenia being triggered by marijuana either, even though probably MANY people who have a high risk of Schizophrenia have tried Marijuana. If anything I'd think it would supress it due to the depressant like effects of CBN.

I would like to see official scientific research on this, rather than something "crazyf'inschizos.com" says.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4047647 - 04/12/05 10:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I highly dout that pot is going to bring up some sort of Schizophrenia... maybe statistics show this but has anyone actualy seen this happen? Being the everyday smoker that I am I really find it hard to believe...but please someone prove me rong. Has anyone personaly seen this happen?

Also as a side note the people in these studies could have been on many other drugs...

I dont mean to cause and argument but I just have never heard of such a thing...


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Dazed]
    #4047674 - 04/12/05 10:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe to-be schitzos just happen to smoke more pot?
There are way too many what-ifs to say that marijuana can trigger or cause it, and theres no actual physical evidence to back it up. Infact the real physical evidence points against the theory marijuana could possibly trigger any mental condition.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4047698 - 04/12/05 10:29 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The thing is, if you're going to end up getting schizophrenia, mushrooms would bring it would sooner.

If you were not going to get it, then mushrooms wouldn't bring it out.

I'm not sure if just because your mother has it you will have it.
I don't know how schizophrenia travels in families... if it comes from the mother's side, or father's side, or if it skips generations, etc etc.

It would probably be a good idea to find out a lot more about the topic.

If you learn how it travels through family, then you will probably be able to accurately say 'oh, I'm probably going to get it later on in life', or 'oh, I'm not going to get it'.

I'm not sure if they even know what factors schizophrenia depends on.

Perhaps someone could shed some light on this issue.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4047776 - 04/12/05 10:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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And remember to take it easy.

Don't inhale so much that your lungs become so painful that you can't smoke anymore.




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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #4047823 - 04/12/05 11:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If you trash your lungs on the first blast then you wont be able to smoke anymore, and you wont be able to get as high.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4047898 - 04/12/05 11:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

From experiental reports, I'm not sure if it is true potentiation of marijuana and MAOIs, just like marijuana and LSD isn't necessarily true potentiation, but strong synergism. Some MAOIs like harmaline are psychoactive in their own right, and marijuana will intensify the experience it is said, similar to smoking marijuana on hallucinogens.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: DoDo]
    #4047914 - 04/12/05 11:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry to the poster for approving MJ for a possible border-line schizophrenic circumstance. I do not want to condone or approve any drug that would be harmful on your mind and body but I for one was never aware that any relation existed between Cannabis and Schizophrenia. I'ts alot easier for anyone of us to say just dont do it for the sake of possibly reaping negative consequences but relative to my meandering personal experiences with most other drugs, I would subjectively and rationally say? that marijuana has a lower potential of drawing out psychotic disorders than some of the other psychedelics, amphetamines or dissociatives.

I however, stand corrected and do not recommend the partaking in any substance where research has shown ill effects on those pre-disposed to Schizophrenia. I?m not going to dig around for studies to challenge this article for I?m sure Cannabis would not help one who is genitally inclined for psychotic disorders regardless, therefore, from this side of the comp, it?s a catch 22?.

I don?t want a time bomb Schizoid to suffer on the behalf of my mistaken advice.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: PsillyNilly]
    #4047950 - 04/12/05 11:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I still dont trust whackjobschizos.com... -_-

As far as the effects of marijuana, I would recommend to goto a Marijuana related source rather than a Schizophrenic related source, and in any proven source Ive seen, there is no correlation between Marijuana and Schizophrenia.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4048686 - 04/13/05 03:10 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey guys,
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and are there any tips for a first timer?




My first time I smoked way too much and had a trippy crazy high..highest I've ever been. It scared me away from weed for a while. While it is true that some people need a lot to get high their first time, some people don't need much. I would suggest smoking a little, waiting 30 minutes, see how you are feeling then, and go from there.

About the schizophrenia thing..from what I understand marijuana works quite differently than lsd, psilocybin, mdma, etc. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #4049201 - 04/13/05 07:40 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I wouldnt rule out MJ just yet, I dont trust the validity of that research or the source. Just as I wouldnt trust the DEAs opinion of psychadelics.

THC works on the Cannabinoid receptors in your brain.

Schizophrenia seems to be a serotonin related problem.
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/schizoserotonin.htm

THC does not change the Serotonin activities of your brain.

I dont think theres ever been any reported cases of Schizophrenia being triggered by marijuana either, even though probably MANY people who have a high risk of Schizophrenia have tried Marijuana. If anything I'd think it would supress it due to the depressant like effects of CBN.

I would like to see official scientific research on this, rather than something "crazyf'inschizos.com" says.




First of all i wasn't claiming that the relation between the use of marijuana and developing schizophrenia was a fact, I was merely pointing out that it had been suggested and that there was evidence supporting these claims.

Secondly, the underlying pathophysiology of schizophrenia is far from completely understood and suggesting that marijuana cannot trigger schizophrenia because it's primary action is not on the same site as where the suggested abnormalitys associated with schizophrenia take place is very bold. Your brain is a delicately balanced piece of work and disturbing one system will usually lead to the disturbance of another.

As for the "crazyf'inschizos.com" argument. The website qouted is named schizophrenia.com and is likely the most comprehensive and reliable source of information regarding the disease in question. If you actually took the time to read through the text you would see that it is supported by a number of sientific study's and links to several individual cases (the most doubtful in my mind).


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #4049223 - 04/13/05 07:51 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I still dont trust whackjobschizos.com... -_-

As far as the effects of marijuana, I would recommend to goto a Marijuana related source rather than a Schizophrenic related source, and in any proven source Ive seen, there is no correlation between Marijuana and Schizophrenia.




I would recommend exactly the opposite when searching for health related effects. Marijuana related sources are usually created and maintained by users which have the tendency to ignore or make any negative health issues seem like inexistent while overemphasizing the positive effects. On the other hand I wouldn't recommend going to a government funded site either, for exactly opposite reasons. To my opinion medical research is your best bet when searching for unbiased drug information.


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    #4049224 - 04/13/05 07:51 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

*edit: hit reply two times  :smirk:


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    #4049228 - 04/13/05 07:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It's not impossible, but very unlikely. As others have said, I would like to reiterate the point that there have been NO reported cases of schizophrenia caused by marijuana, regardless of the many politically charged, biased, and simply poor quality studies claiming to establish a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia or psychosis.

It is a generally accepted fact that psychedelics have a tendency to bring out latent psychological disorders. Marijuana, while perhaps mimicking disorders such as paranoia and schizophrenia while under the influence, these effects diminish as the high diminishes. Almost all users of marijuana report returning to baseline without mental cloudyness or memory problems within a few days or weeks after stopping smoking entirely.

In fact, many people who currently suffer from psychosis use marijuana to self-medicate and relax themselves and to keep them in check. There was a news article posted about this a few weeks back.

If you ask me, MJ is a viable alternative for a variety of things. It can be used for intoxication, for enhancement, for escape, for insight, for meditation, for relaxation, as a sleep aid, for nausea, for loss of apetite, etc etc.


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    #4049288 - 04/13/05 08:14 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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As others have said, I would like to reiterate the point that there have been NO reported cases of schizophrenia caused by marijuana, regardless of the many politically charged, biased, and simply poor quality studies claiming to establish a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia or psychosis.





This is true. The elevated risk associated with the use of Marijuana is low, and it is impossible to proof any of the suggestions made with the use of retrospective study's as many try to do. I do however think the average Marijuana user closes his eyes too easy when it comes to health issues like these, just like DXM users will tell you their drug when used in excess does not cause Olney's lesions because it has not yet been proven.

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In fact, many people who currently suffer from psychosis use marijuana to self-medicate and relax themselves and to keep them in check. There was a news article posted about this a few weeks back.





Just like most forms of self-medication there is absolutely no way to proof that there are any beneficial effects of this sort because the observer is biased. I think this is a very dangerous idea.

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If you ask me, MJ is a viable alternative for a variety of things. It can be used for intoxication, for enhancement, for escape, for insight, for meditation, for relaxation, as a sleep aid, for nausea, for loss of appetite, etc etc.




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    #4050374 - 04/13/05 02:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey guys,
420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.

The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.

Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?




Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life :bongload: :bongload: :bongload:


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    #4050408 - 04/13/05 03:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life :bongload: :bongload: :bongload:




Lexapro is actually an SSRI. It is a bad idea to combine SSRI's and MAOI's, but by themselves you're right, they are relatively safe.


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    #4050477 - 04/13/05 03:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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dblaney18 said:
Quote:

steelflower said:
Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life :bongload: :bongload: :bongload:




Lexapro is actually an SSRI. It is a bad idea to combine SSRI's and MAOI's, but by themselves you're right, they are relatively safe.



I dont know much about antideppressants, I was assuming all anti depresants were MAOI's which are safe with Ghanja. But its good that its clarified.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: steelflower]
    #4050686 - 04/13/05 03:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You know what they say about assuming :grin:


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    #4050992 - 04/13/05 04:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty sure most (if not all) anti depressants are SSRIs.


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    #4051113 - 04/13/05 05:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

There are lots of different types of anti-depressants. The most common nowadays are SSRI's, but there are others: MAOIs, tricyclics, NERIs (norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), DRIs (dopamine reuptake inhibitors), etc.

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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
    #4051236 - 04/13/05 05:57 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said earlier, thanks for the great advice so far.

But one thing I wanted to say was that I'm not so worried about the lexapro reacting with mj as much as i am worried about getting schizophrenia from smoking mj. I am pretty positive that Lexapro wont react in any way with MJ. So my main concern is becoming schizo from smoking it.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4051284 - 04/13/05 06:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

As far as the Lexapro goes; I was on it for awhile back when I was younger (15-16) and smoked quite heavily. Didn't affect the high at all, and I didn't have to smoke more or better quality to achieve my high.

However, I've been through a psychotic break before, which is essentially being schizophrenic for a period of time and then returning to 'normal'. During this period, the only solace I found was to get high, since the rest of my life was basically shit and I thought I was going to be nuts forever.

I'm glad that you know about schizophrenia and bloodlines and whatnot; this is to your advantage. All of the above posts have great information. The THC will not affect the same area of your brain where schizophrenia is active.

If you don't mind, how old are you? You're obviously at least 18 to post on these boards. Schizophrenia will surface usually by the age of 24-26 (latest), and if you haven't had any symptoms yet, you should be fine. I'd exercise extreme caution with psychedelics, but puff all day in the meantime.

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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Adden]
    #4051407 - 04/13/05 06:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I am currently 18, no symptoms of schizophrenia yet. I only have a mild case of GAD which i probly dont even need the medicine for anyway.

But im not sure how schizophrenia travels through families and all that.

oh yea, by the way, did you get any of this info from a doctor?


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    #4052132 - 04/13/05 10:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Rest assured that you are probably more likely to be struck by a meteor, win the lottery, and discover intelligent life in the universe, all at the same moment, than you are to get schizophrenia from smoking some weed.

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    #4052170 - 04/13/05 10:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Even if im prone to Schizophrenia?

Is there any way I can verify this? No offense or anything but I wanna be 99% sure before I chance this.


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    #4052221 - 04/13/05 10:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'd give you 98% odds you'll be fine. For that other percent I'd look to someone who's relatively unbiased.

Have fun! :stoned:


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
    #4052983 - 04/14/05 02:34 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I have tons of mental problems, depression, adhd, I take SSRIs (or whatever prozac is) and a bunch of ritalin. Dude, no worries, Weed ain't gonna fuck you up. Enjoy it, it's great.


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    #4053547 - 04/14/05 07:38 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Alright, i guess i can give it a shot. Is there any certain kind of weed that would be good for a first time?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4053559 - 04/14/05 07:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

indica strains might be easier to take, they are less trippy, but its all good. weed really isn't very strong in typical smoked doses.


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    #4053569 - 04/14/05 07:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You usually wont have a choice or even know the strain if you were buying weed from a dealer...I think Sativa strains are less likely to get you baked and trip out on but thats my opinion...Unless your growin it yourself, you will most likely get Indica since it's better for budding to my knowledge.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4053769 - 04/14/05 10:12 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

*sighs*
*shudders*

Looks like I'll be going against the tide once more.

Do not use marijuana.

Marijuana is regarded as one of the things that can bring forth and aggrevate schizophrenia. In Holland, the land of weed.

It is recognised in the Dutch psychiatric community that there is a correlation between outbreaks of schizophrenia and schizophrenics who smoke weed are generally worse off then those who do not.

If you in fact are a schizophrenic Cannabis may influence the deverlopment of your disease for the worse and not for the better: it is contra-indicated in psychosis.

You already got G.A.D
Generalized Anxiety Disorder (aka constant phobia) is not a good starting point to start using a mild psychedelic, which cannabis is.
If you are high on a major psychedelic and smoke cannabis the psychedelic state tends to intensify, this means that there is overlap between the two states. Indeed, THC is a selective Serotonin antagonist, and that likely means that your medicine Lexapro will be less effective during the period you smoke.


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CAUTION: Acute intoxication is frequently due to recreational use by ingestion or by inhalation of smoke. Various psychic responses have been described: impairment of attention and cognitive and psychomotor performance; euphoria, restlessness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, visual and auditory hallucinations, mood changes, drowsiness, dysphoria. In rare cases, elaborate paranoid delusions and severe emotional depression has persisted for days after acute intoxication. Physiological effects observed include elevation of resting heart rate, dry mouth, increased appetite for sweet foods, ataxia, tremor, hyperreflexia; less often headache, nausea, vomiting. Chronic use causes respiratory tract irritation and bronchoconstriction, and may be a cause of lung cancer. See Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, R. E. Gosselin et al., Eds. (Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore, 5th ed., 1984) Section III, pp 252-258. Caution: May be habit forming: 21 CFR, 329.1 and is a controlled substance (hallucinogen): 21 CFR, 1308.11.
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All you can gain is a high. What you can lose is your mental stability. GAD is one thing. GAD in a possible prepsychotic schizophrenic is quite another. Do not do it.

...if you however decide to do it, then do not smoke it. Smoking herbs causes all sorts of cancers that would not arise if you did not convert the herb into smoke, tars and ashes.

A honest psychiatrist would tell you that you, having GAD and possibly a mild or full form of schizophrenia, are at significantly elevated risk.

If anyone wants to flak me then go ahead, but make sure to produce the studies that show that people with these likely mental conditions are not at risk.

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Don't risk your well-being for a high you don't even know yet. It's not that super. If you by 2020 have not developed a psychosis you can be reasonably certain you are in the clear. You may not want to wait to 2020 to use weed, but what you choose now may effect how you feel in 2020.

I've smoked 5 kilos and I tell you: it's not that super, and certainly not worth taking the risk if you already (GAD) have a psychological disturbance and are genetically predisposed to perhaps having a major neurological disorder.

In your case marijuana, Ecstasy, psychedelics, dissociatives and stimulants are out. Even with beer I advise you to be cautious.
It's no biggie to not use drugs: there are so many things to do that are equally or even more rewarding.

Throw a wild party in 2020. You'll be my age then, and that's sooner then you think.


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    #4054781 - 04/14/05 02:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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THC is a selective Serotonin antagonist




I'm skeptical...got a source?


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    #4054810 - 04/14/05 03:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

welli have mixed pot, alcohol, x, acid, shrooms, coke, meth, atc. with the following antidepressants/anti anxiety meds and have been just fine: paxil, zoloft, prozac, buspar, wellbutrin, risperdal, serzone, effexor


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    #4054865 - 04/14/05 03:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Alright, i guess i can give it a shot. Is there any certain kind of weed that would be good for a first time?



Man you worrying about this way too much. It is weed not acid, it wont be traveling to some foreign world where you have little control. Its like being drunk in a small way except you have complete control or most of the time. You can drive, talk, and do everything to the same extent, maybe not so well your first time but its not something that will be uncontrolable. Getting stoned will do NOTHING to you at all so just bake up and see if you even like it first but I gaurentee you will.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
    #4055127 - 04/14/05 04:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm skeptical...got a source?

Meyler's "Side Effects of Drugs"
any good library with a medical department will have it, it's one of the standard works.

translation: THC changes the quantities of GABA, Serotonine, Dopamine & Noradrenaline


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    #4055222 - 04/14/05 04:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Hm, I didn't know that..I've always assumed that THC acts solely on the cannabinoid receptors, but I suppose that was a bit naive of me.

The translation didn't work, but I used Babelfish and got a cursory idea of the document...it seems THC increases levels of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine? That's interesting...any other documents or information you could send?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
    #4055226 - 04/14/05 04:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Its not that I'm afraid of the high, I know I can handle the high with no problem and I'm not afraid that my medicine will affect it either. Its the thing about becoming schizophrenic from smoking that makes me wonder if its really safe or not. My moms case of schizophrenia is mild also, there was only one time, when I was in eighth grade, that she went physco for a night, but she got meds and has been perfectly normal since.

My case of GAD is extremely mild, I ran out of meds for about a week now and im pretty much fine, and the amount that i take is so small, only 5 miligrams a day.

Also one other thing, I wasnt able to translate that website, is there any way to do that?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4055283 - 04/14/05 05:17 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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CuI210us said:
Hey guys,
420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.

The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.

Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?




Yah, I have a few tips for ya.

1.Dont get high with people who are errogent idiots, the potential for a bad trip could happen.
2.The drug you are taking for anti-anxiety will have an affect on how your trip will be, but it will not hurt you, but it may just enhance the trip. If you smoke without taking your meds, your high will be completly different.
3.If you dont smoke anything at all, your lungs will not be able to handle the smoke, I suggest smoking some cigarettes(if you dont already) to help you take a bigger hit when you do smoke.
4.Be in a good atmosphere, the number one cause of bad trips is being in an uncomfortable situation, make sure that you are Ok with everybody you are going to smoke with.
5.For a fun time I suggest doing somthing that requires you to take an adventure, like walk in the woods, or go somwere that you havent been before.
6.And just dont worry about anything, weed has a high outcome for causing paranoia, to do away with that is to be in state of mind were you couldnt give a rats ass of what happends.
7.try to aviod anybody who can ruin your trip, IE cops, parents, stupid friends, etc. And stay away from any authority.
8.Have money so you can get some food when you are hungery, because if you dont eat, it will not be fun. And eating while you have the munchies is one of the best things on earth.
9.try and aviod driving, personally I like to be in the passenger seat while I am high, that way it takes the responsibility off my mind, and I dont have anything to worry about.
10.If you goto a threater to watch a movie, its good that you see a comedy, cause if it is a serious movie, it wont be fun.
11.If you go out anywere, it might be good to carry some Visine, because if it is your first time, you will have red eyes,and you will look very high, so use visine of you are going to a store.
12.have some good music with you, music that you enjoy, weed enhances music a great deal, and it will make the experience 100 times better.
13.Have fun, weed can be very good if you know how to use it, I hope I have helped a little, and I speak from experience so listen to what I say.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Leukoism]
    #4055690 - 04/14/05 06:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

To Wiccan_Seeker:

I'm glad that you can live a happy, normal life without having to get high, but many people can't (especially those with acute creativity and those whose ideas and morals go against societys'), so please don't impose your opinions on others, that's how war and genocide happens.
As for your proof, I'm not sure what to say. it is near impossible to find proof [regarding cannabis] that isn't tainted and/or biased in some way, so i would advise anyone to not listen to what people tell you about the herb, only experience can give you real proof. And from my experience, i must disagree with you on several points. Much of the information you have presented is pure scare tactics (search for the studies of Gabriel Nahas to see the lengths that the U.S. government went to to stop Cannabis use), but much of it is also valid according to the few non-biased studies that have been conducted.
As for shrooms. It is unclear whether you will 'develop' schizofrenia or you will 'bring underlying schizofrenia to the surface', and it is impossible to prove (atleast for now it is). But evidence suggests that it is an underlying disease in almost all cases (evidence coming from family history of the disease and already present , but light symptoms).
Schizofrenia is a very strange disease concerning genetics. It is very sparatic (having no pattern what-so-ever) between generations, but rarely goes from parent to child (as juxtaposed to going from uncle to grand half nephew[<example]).


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4055702 - 04/14/05 06:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Gabriel Nahas's experiments...

For [his] experiment, gas masks were placed on the faces of
some unfortunate laboratory monkeys so that they would be
forced to breathe in cannabis smoke. After exposure, the
animals were put down and it was discovered that they had
suffered brain damage. This could have been the end of the
story. But what happened next is quite edifying:
Independent researchers, intrigued by these results which did
not coincide with the bulk of research in the field, endeavored
for many years to know just which procedure was used for the
experiment. Thus, they learned that for five minutes, the
monkeys were only permitted to breathe in the cannabis smoke
equivalent to that given off by sixty three joints! Under such
conditions, the animals had infact died from asphyxiation.
Smoke from burning wood would have caused the same brain
damage.
In another study, also mentioned to demonstrate that cannabis
causes brain damage, laboratory rats were injected with pure
THC, at doses corresponding to twelve hundred times the doses
ingested by a cannabis smoker! If these experiments demonstrate
anything at all, it is the remarkable absence of cannabis toxicity:
the same dose of any of our legal drugs, nicotine, alcohol, or
even caffeine, is immediately lethal to any animal on the
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4055719 - 04/14/05 06:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think you have the wrong impression here about Wiccan_Seeker. Just because he shows concern for a guy's health, does not mean he's against getting high... he has a point, I would not risk my mental well being to get high. If I know schizophrenia ran in my family I would stop using all substances, including alcohol and cannabis. Simply because he has an opinion that differs from yours does not mean he is "imposing morals on you" or using "scare tactics". Seeker is a very wise man, who knows a lot about various substances. I trust his word, especially when it comes to substances.

edit: W_S is from the Netherlands, he is not refering to any US done study.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: gdman]
    #4055936 - 04/14/05 08:07 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone else find the generally accepted effects of consuming cannabis to be very similar to a temporary schizophrenia? Think about it. When high, one may experience paranoia, anxiety, hallucinations, esp (whether real or imagined), and other effects which are also documented as symptoms of psychological disorder. It seems to me that one could make a reasonable case that any time one gets high they are experiencing a form of schizophrenic episode.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: moebiustrip]
    #4055962 - 04/14/05 08:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

maybe if I knew what being schitzophrenic was like I could judge, but I'd imagine that it's wildly different.

If anything, I would compare tripping to a temporary paranoid schitzophrenic state, since thats when you're really having delusions, distance from reality, and more severe paranoia. I guess weed in high doses could be comparable


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: moebiustrip]
    #4055969 - 04/14/05 08:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I really do not think being stoned is that similar to a schizophrenic episode.

You can tell what is real and what isn't if you've had a fair amount of experience with smoking weed.

I don't believe this is the case with schizophrenia.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4056792 - 04/15/05 12:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone know how schizophrenia is passed through families? If it isnt passed from mother to son, then it probly shouldnt affect me at all.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4056817 - 04/15/05 12:26 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

it can be passed from mother to son, but you pretty much have a 9 out of 10 chance of not developing it. Taking hallucinogenic drugs will tamper with those odds a bit, but chances are you still wont develop it. A friend of mine has a schitzophrenic mother and uncle, and hes done acid more times than I can count, but I guess hes just lucky.

Weed is much less risky than hallucinogens are, but still, use drugs at your own risk.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4058675 - 04/15/05 01:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

CuI210us said:
Hey guys,
420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.

The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.

Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?




I've smoked while on a variety of anti-depressants (not simultaneously).  I've never been on MAOI or SSRI but I smoked when on anti-depressants that share some common side-effects.  If your anti-depressant is an MAOI, I wouldn't smoke, mainly because a lot of regular anti-depressants already effect the smoking experience enough.

Basically the last anti-depressant I was on was myrtazipine (REMERON), which I finally off of. :grin:  Now this may not be a strong anti-depressant, but it certainly increased my high.  It actually increased it to the level of a weak hallucigenic experience and I would have audial hallucinations and very minor visual hallucinations.  When smoking I would be unable to have a conversation or remember anything that had happened two minutes prior.  It toatally rocked!  :headbanger:  But it had its negative-aspects too.  This is because when I smoked I had to do 3 bowls before I would feel anything and even when I had smoked th eminimal amount for me to get high, I would totally trip balls.

So to answer your question you might have one hell of a trip or possibly a weak one.  This is because anti-depressants can also decrease the effects of certain drugs.

You said this is also your first experience, so most likely nothing would happen at all.  Unless that is that you smoke a hell of a lot.  When I first started smoking, it took me 14 times before I felt a thing.  But when I finally did, it was crazy as hell, because of the anti-depressant I was on.

Either way have fun but safe experience.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: pantsboy]
    #4061040 - 04/16/05 01:14 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I smoked a bowl tonight, and Im hittin the KB on wednesday.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4061122 - 04/16/05 01:31 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

so how long does this stuff take to get out of my system for a drug test?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4061183 - 04/16/05 01:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

20-40 days

Its stored in the fat so it really does take a while :{


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    #4061331 - 04/16/05 02:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

20-40 days? This gyyt just smoked pot for his first time----only longterm chronic stoners will test positive for THC after a month of quitting. It should not take more than a few days in your case.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Leukoism]
    #4061839 - 04/16/05 09:34 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Leukoism said:

3.If you don't smoke anything at all, your lungs will not be able to handle the smoke, I suggest smoking some cigarettes(if you don't already) to help you take a bigger hit when you do smoke.





That's stupid. If you don't already smoke cigarettes, don't start. It's a nasty habit with no redeeming qualities.

I have never smoked a cig, and I have no problem smoking weed. My lungs are "able to handle the smoke" just fine. Unless you want to be jonseing a cig after every smoking session, I suggest you don't start.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: FirstAvailable]
    #4061895 - 04/16/05 10:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Don't start somking cigs for sure, do not start.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4062916 - 04/16/05 06:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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so how long does this stuff take to get out of my system for a drug test?



it takes 30 days,it doesnt take any longer than that


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4065399 - 04/17/05 01:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone know how schizophrenia is passed through families? If it isnt passed from mother to son, then it probly shouldnt affect me at all.




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Genetics of Schizophrenia

Schizophrenia, a serious mental illness characterized by negative symptoms (social withdrawal and blunted affect), positive symptoms (hallucinations and delusions), and disordered thinking, has a lifetime prevalence of approximately 1%. This illness exerts a significant toll on health-care resources (28,29) and an equally significant emotional toll on families (30). Determining the etiology of this complex condition presents a major challenge in medicine, but research has consistently indicated a significant genetic component.

The evidence for genetic factors as the primary contributors to the etiology of schizophrenia is based on family, twin, and adoption studies. Family studies have consistently shown that first- and second-degree relatives of individuals with schizophrenia have higher risks of developing schizophrenia than do individuals in the general population (18,31). Twin studies have shown far greater concordance rates for monozygotic than for dizygotic twins: monozygotic twin concordance rates are 4 to 8 times higher than dizygotic twin concordance rates (32,33). Adoption studies indicate that biological children of parent(s) with schizophrenia who are adopted into families with no major psychotic illness have the same risk of developing schizophrenia as do biological first-degree relatives (34?36). Thus, the support for a genetic component to this disease is strong. Family and twin studies also indicate
  that other disorders occur more frequently than expected in the relatives of individuals with schizophrenia. Variable expression of a schizophrenia phenotype may include related disorders, such as schizoaffective disorder and other nonaffective psychoses (37), schizotypal and paranoid personality disorders (38?40), and mood disorders (41,42).
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According to the Oxford textbook of Psychiatry (Gelder) you have an elevated risk of 10-15 for developing schizophrenia.

edit: quoted the wrong person  :smirk:


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4065868 - 04/17/05 05:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm glad that you can live a happy, normal life without having to get high, but many people can't (especially those with acute creativity and those whose ideas and morals go against societys'), so please don't impose your opinions on others, that's how war and genocide happens.




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I bet you haven't read my Ecstasy and LSD trip reports yet. My recepies for Green Dragon, Hash Oil and Blast Balls? My overview of Dutch poppies cultivation and recipy for kitchen Laudanum.

War and Genocide indeed happen if people start imposing their opinions, but imposing opinions is the magic stuff responses in threads are made of. The key to war and genocide is selectively listening to others and seeing only things that confirm your point of view. Well, what you've been doing basically.

If you change the word Cannabis for Globollob HCl then you would agree I gave a pretty sober advice. But because you are pro-cannabis you are biased towards negatives being attached to weed, just like anti-cannabis people are immune to the equally real benefits of medical marijuana.

You are absolutely right that research papers are full of propaganda, but that is pro as well as con. The trick is to destill the hard science out of them and reduce them to objective statements.

And when you get real you'll be getting the real picture.

The real picture is that smoking weed can lead to lung disease and lung cancer. The smoke is an irritant. The real picture is that people die from smoking weed every day of the week.
But if you are getting real you have to conclude that oral cannabis presents none of those risks, because it is not smouldered, with the smoke being inhaled.
So if you use weed and get responsible, you don't smoke weed but vaporize, eat or take it otherwise, and if you do not then you are exposing yourself to a risk comparable to cigarette smoking.

So if the cannabis lobby gets real, they advocate to not smoke weed but use it otherwise or they will be bombed by very real medical statistics a few years from now.

Cannabis, like any drug, is a double-edged sword. It is not pure evil but certainly not pure good either.

I have had a heart attack, brink of death, the real deal. Genetic.
I can confirm to you from personal experience that using cannabis has given me several hundred attacks of angina pectoris, cardiac asphyxiation, which is a heart attack without cell mortality

Did Cannabis cause this? Absolutely 100% yes. But it would have not occurred if I did not have a genetic predisposition towards angina pectoris. But, since I got that, the cannabis has brought on the 100s of Angina Pectoris attacks which would not have occurred without weed.
I could have died because the effect weed had on me, and that is medical fact.

Do I "blame weed"? No, not in the War on Drugs way.
Weed has cardiac side effects which did not agree with my previously unnoticed heart condition. If you are going to say "Medical Marijuana!", and thus saying Marijuana is Medicine (which it is and a great one at that) then you got to get real and accept that it has side effects (like any medicine) which can be dangerous to some.

Cannabis, especially via the oral route, still is a recreational drug that has an exceptionally benign pharmacological profile. I am all for the medical community embracing Cannabis Resin as a prescription medicine and am in favor of cannabis being accepted into mainstream culture alongside alcohol, coffee and tobacco as a social drug.

But some people should NEVER EVER use marijuana.

I, for one, would be best off if I did not use the herb. So I quit my 12 year daily gram habit to make good on one of the vows I made on the Intensive Care Unit, when the defib cart was to my left and the cardiac monitor to the right on the night I had my Near Death Experience.

People who really ought not to use cannabis are psychotics and schizophrenics. They get high, but on the long term their pre-existing medical condition worsens and never gets better because of using the weed. Just like my AP, except it's a condition of the brain, not the heart.

If you are possibly schizophrenic then it would be utter WISDOM not to start with weed in the first place. You should think of schizophrenia as a particularly unfortunate combination of genes. Not one or two, but several. If you got them all, you're one of the kinds of fullblown schizophrenics. If you got several, you are dispositioned to psychosis. If you got a few, you may perhaps not get psychosis but be otherwise unfit.

So many offspring of Schizophrenics are *not* schizophrenic (or even prone to psychosis) but they are thrown out of healthy genetic balance nontheless. That's how Schizophrenia can develop "out of the blue"in families not known to have schizophrenia in their bloodline.

Our friend the threadstarter has got Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Mild as it may be, it may be a sign of having inherited some of these genes. The question is if he is susceptible to psychosis or not, but he does have a chronic mental anxiety condition.

If a person is concerned whether a drug is good for him, then consider that a valuable clue that they are in doubt and doubt may involve legitimate concerns. I take personal concern very serious.

Several people on this thread are High on Harmless. Weed? don't worry, not a problem at all. And for them it may be true. Statistically this is true for many. But a bonghit can put me on the Intensive Care Unit with a very real heart attack. And it can put a schizophrenic on the Psychiatric Ward because of induced, recurrent or treatment-resistant psychosis.

But: our threadstarter has used weed, he even smoked it, and he has made plans to enroll in what might turn out to be frequent use.
I hope the weed will not harm him. After all, russian roulette is a click most of the time too.

But if.. if it aggrevates his anxiety problem, gives other problems or even detrimentally influences pre-existing psychosis...
Then I am not the one who sung the song of "harmless" but the one who took over half an hour to inform him about the risks, and he asked if there *would* be risks, after all.

If you give advice to people, you assume responsibility over their well-being. And if you get real on taking responsibility, chances are you become a party pooper.

And frankly, I don't mind being a party pooper by getting real on drugs here. People have PMed me for my support and I actually heard claims that I "saved their life" in a medical way by getting real on drugs.

I am NOT anti-marihuana, I'm anti-misinformation.

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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
    #4066256 - 04/17/05 08:38 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
    #4066321 - 04/17/05 09:05 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I just had to do it, just to know what it felt like. I was just so curious about it, that I had to do it, or I would just keep thinking about it. I regret it now, because the high wasnt really all that great for what I am risking. But I am sure that the one time that i did it wont affect me as much as chronic use will. Not a smart move on my part I guess.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4067926 - 04/18/05 07:10 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Wait a minute, you guys can't just write it off like that. There have been studies done that do in fact show what is being said here. It is known, now, that sweet mary increases the risks of developing skizo.

I have some first hand experience with this, and while there are many variables, studies have been made that show all kinds of neat info.

Search around, that guys link up there isn't the only one.

Seriously, you guys are just totally dismissing it as bullshit DEA stuff when it is actually a very in depth study.

Chances are though, imo, that people with skizo do smoke more, and are generally attracted to drugs more.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4067995 - 04/18/05 08:34 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I just had to do it, just to know what it felt like. I was just so curious about it, that I had to do it, or I would just keep thinking about it. I regret it now, because the high wasnt really all that great for what I am risking. But I am sure that the one time that i did it wont affect me as much as chronic use will. Not a smart move on my part I guess.




Hey, it's you life! But you asked advice and I gave it to you :heart:

Don't cramp up in anxiety though: if it stays a onetime experiment like you now think it should be then the potential harm is behind you, and not an ongoing onslaught like in a chronic user who is unfit to take weed.

Relax. I'm glad you now decided to not risk it. Weed isn't that spectacular, and since you might have enhanced risk to serious complications to something that's for recreation only, it's sound judgement to not do it.

Should you decide to do it *but accept the risks knowingly* then that is just as well as it's your life after all.

That is the power of Just Say KNOW: your right to gather information and make informed decisions in the shaping of your life.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
    #4068874 - 04/18/05 04:24 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, if I stay clear from it from now until around 2020 when i know im safe, then i should be ok. And also, I doubt that the one time i did do it will affect my future any. I think the research refers to chronic use of marijuana, this was just a one time thing.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4068953 - 04/18/05 04:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

interesting point of view Wiccan, I've met few people who can argue a good case against marijuana use the way you have. Unfortunately, little of the valid information gets to people, and too much bs propaganda does, and it trains people to categorize these kind of findings automatically. This will continue to happen until the government stops fighting the people they're supposed to serve, and joins the people by throwing out the entire anti-cannabis movement they've got going and start from what we know and have NOW, not the ideas of the 20th century, this is the 21st fucking century.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: kake]
    #4120553 - 05/01/05 09:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, sorry for bringing this post back up again, but I was looking at some stuff from iamshaman.com and I was wondering if any of there products would be safe for me?


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #4120729 - 05/01/05 10:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

None of us can really say, as only you know your body best. Your second best bet would be your physician.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
    #4120770 - 05/01/05 10:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, i think most of the stuff from that site you mentioned, would be just as harmful as pot..don't see why you regret doing it, if you want to try other mind altering plants.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
    #6092558 - 09/23/06 08:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

One of my coworkers didn't say anything about using anti-siezure medicine and after we smoked... I got off of work and he got on... He started convulsing and big shit happened. So FYI there.


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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Cracka_X]
    #6092570 - 09/23/06 08:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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