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dblaney
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#4051113 - 04/13/05 03:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are lots of different types of anti-depressants. The most common nowadays are SSRI's, but there are others: MAOIs, tricyclics, NERIs (norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), DRIs (dopamine reuptake inhibitors), etc.
It's a booming industry
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4051236 - 04/13/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like I said earlier, thanks for the great advice so far.
But one thing I wanted to say was that I'm not so worried about the lexapro reacting with mj as much as i am worried about getting schizophrenia from smoking mj. I am pretty positive that Lexapro wont react in any way with MJ. So my main concern is becoming schizo from smoking it.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4051284 - 04/13/05 04:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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As far as the Lexapro goes; I was on it for awhile back when I was younger (15-16) and smoked quite heavily. Didn't affect the high at all, and I didn't have to smoke more or better quality to achieve my high.
However, I've been through a psychotic break before, which is essentially being schizophrenic for a period of time and then returning to 'normal'. During this period, the only solace I found was to get high, since the rest of my life was basically shit and I thought I was going to be nuts forever.
I'm glad that you know about schizophrenia and bloodlines and whatnot; this is to your advantage. All of the above posts have great information. The THC will not affect the same area of your brain where schizophrenia is active.
If you don't mind, how old are you? You're obviously at least 18 to post on these boards. Schizophrenia will surface usually by the age of 24-26 (latest), and if you haven't had any symptoms yet, you should be fine. I'd exercise extreme caution with psychedelics, but puff all day in the meantime.
Cheers, s2
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CuI210us
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Adden]
#4051407 - 04/13/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am currently 18, no symptoms of schizophrenia yet. I only have a mild case of GAD which i probly dont even need the medicine for anyway.
But im not sure how schizophrenia travels through families and all that.
oh yea, by the way, did you get any of this info from a doctor?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4052132 - 04/13/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rest assured that you are probably more likely to be struck by a meteor, win the lottery, and discover intelligent life in the universe, all at the same moment, than you are to get schizophrenia from smoking some weed.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4052170 - 04/13/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Even if im prone to Schizophrenia?
Is there any way I can verify this? No offense or anything but I wanna be 99% sure before I chance this.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4052221 - 04/13/05 08:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd give you 98% odds you'll be fine. For that other percent I'd look to someone who's relatively unbiased.
Have fun!
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4052983 - 04/14/05 12:34 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have tons of mental problems, depression, adhd, I take SSRIs (or whatever prozac is) and a bunch of ritalin. Dude, no worries, Weed ain't gonna fuck you up. Enjoy it, it's great.
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CuI210us
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: whatever123]
#4053547 - 04/14/05 05:38 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, i guess i can give it a shot. Is there any certain kind of weed that would be good for a first time?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4053559 - 04/14/05 05:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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indica strains might be easier to take, they are less trippy, but its all good. weed really isn't very strong in typical smoked doses.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: alsey]
#4053569 - 04/14/05 05:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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You usually wont have a choice or even know the strain if you were buying weed from a dealer...I think Sativa strains are less likely to get you baked and trip out on but thats my opinion...Unless your growin it yourself, you will most likely get Indica since it's better for budding to my knowledge.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4053769 - 04/14/05 08:12 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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*sighs* *shudders*
Looks like I'll be going against the tide once more.
Do not use marijuana.
Marijuana is regarded as one of the things that can bring forth and aggrevate schizophrenia. In Holland, the land of weed.
It is recognised in the Dutch psychiatric community that there is a correlation between outbreaks of schizophrenia and schizophrenics who smoke weed are generally worse off then those who do not.
If you in fact are a schizophrenic Cannabis may influence the deverlopment of your disease for the worse and not for the better: it is contra-indicated in psychosis.
You already got G.A.D Generalized Anxiety Disorder (aka constant phobia) is not a good starting point to start using a mild psychedelic, which cannabis is. If you are high on a major psychedelic and smoke cannabis the psychedelic state tends to intensify, this means that there is overlap between the two states. Indeed, THC is a selective Serotonin antagonist, and that likely means that your medicine Lexapro will be less effective during the period you smoke.
------------------------------------------ CAUTION: Acute intoxication is frequently due to recreational use by ingestion or by inhalation of smoke. Various psychic responses have been described: impairment of attention and cognitive and psychomotor performance; euphoria, restlessness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, visual and auditory hallucinations, mood changes, drowsiness, dysphoria. In rare cases, elaborate paranoid delusions and severe emotional depression has persisted for days after acute intoxication. Physiological effects observed include elevation of resting heart rate, dry mouth, increased appetite for sweet foods, ataxia, tremor, hyperreflexia; less often headache, nausea, vomiting. Chronic use causes respiratory tract irritation and bronchoconstriction, and may be a cause of lung cancer. See Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, R. E. Gosselin et al., Eds. (Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore, 5th ed., 1984) Section III, pp 252-258. Caution: May be habit forming: 21 CFR, 329.1 and is a controlled substance (hallucinogen): 21 CFR, 1308.11. -----------------------------------------
All you can gain is a high. What you can lose is your mental stability. GAD is one thing. GAD in a possible prepsychotic schizophrenic is quite another. Do not do it.
...if you however decide to do it, then do not smoke it. Smoking herbs causes all sorts of cancers that would not arise if you did not convert the herb into smoke, tars and ashes.
A honest psychiatrist would tell you that you, having GAD and possibly a mild or full form of schizophrenia, are at significantly elevated risk.
If anyone wants to flak me then go ahead, but make sure to produce the studies that show that people with these likely mental conditions are not at risk.
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Schizophrenia lifetime prognosis:
25% recovers 50% copes 25% cannot cope
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Don't risk your well-being for a high you don't even know yet. It's not that super. If you by 2020 have not developed a psychosis you can be reasonably certain you are in the clear. You may not want to wait to 2020 to use weed, but what you choose now may effect how you feel in 2020.
I've smoked 5 kilos and I tell you: it's not that super, and certainly not worth taking the risk if you already (GAD) have a psychological disturbance and are genetically predisposed to perhaps having a major neurological disorder.
In your case marijuana, Ecstasy, psychedelics, dissociatives and stimulants are out. Even with beer I advise you to be cautious. It's no biggie to not use drugs: there are so many things to do that are equally or even more rewarding.
Throw a wild party in 2020. You'll be my age then, and that's sooner then you think.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
#4054781 - 04/14/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said: THC is a selective Serotonin antagonist
I'm skeptical...got a source?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4054810 - 04/14/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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welli have mixed pot, alcohol, x, acid, shrooms, coke, meth, atc. with the following antidepressants/anti anxiety meds and have been just fine: paxil, zoloft, prozac, buspar, wellbutrin, risperdal, serzone, effexor
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4054865 - 04/14/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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CuI210us said: Alright, i guess i can give it a shot. Is there any certain kind of weed that would be good for a first time?
Man you worrying about this way too much. It is weed not acid, it wont be traveling to some foreign world where you have little control. Its like being drunk in a small way except you have complete control or most of the time. You can drive, talk, and do everything to the same extent, maybe not so well your first time but its not something that will be uncontrolable. Getting stoned will do NOTHING to you at all so just bake up and see if you even like it first but I gaurentee you will.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4055127 - 04/14/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm skeptical...got a source?
Meyler's "Side Effects of Drugs" any good library with a medical department will have it, it's one of the standard works.
translation: THC changes the quantities of GABA, Serotonine, Dopamine & Noradrenaline
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
#4055222 - 04/14/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hm, I didn't know that..I've always assumed that THC acts solely on the cannabinoid receptors, but I suppose that was a bit naive of me.
The translation didn't work, but I used Babelfish and got a cursory idea of the document...it seems THC increases levels of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine? That's interesting...any other documents or information you could send?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Asante]
#4055226 - 04/14/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its not that I'm afraid of the high, I know I can handle the high with no problem and I'm not afraid that my medicine will affect it either. Its the thing about becoming schizophrenic from smoking that makes me wonder if its really safe or not. My moms case of schizophrenia is mild also, there was only one time, when I was in eighth grade, that she went physco for a night, but she got meds and has been perfectly normal since.
My case of GAD is extremely mild, I ran out of meds for about a week now and im pretty much fine, and the amount that i take is so small, only 5 miligrams a day.
Also one other thing, I wasnt able to translate that website, is there any way to do that?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4055283 - 04/14/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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CuI210us said: Hey guys, 420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.
The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.
Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?
Yah, I have a few tips for ya.
1.Dont get high with people who are errogent idiots, the potential for a bad trip could happen. 2.The drug you are taking for anti-anxiety will have an affect on how your trip will be, but it will not hurt you, but it may just enhance the trip. If you smoke without taking your meds, your high will be completly different. 3.If you dont smoke anything at all, your lungs will not be able to handle the smoke, I suggest smoking some cigarettes(if you dont already) to help you take a bigger hit when you do smoke. 4.Be in a good atmosphere, the number one cause of bad trips is being in an uncomfortable situation, make sure that you are Ok with everybody you are going to smoke with. 5.For a fun time I suggest doing somthing that requires you to take an adventure, like walk in the woods, or go somwere that you havent been before. 6.And just dont worry about anything, weed has a high outcome for causing paranoia, to do away with that is to be in state of mind were you couldnt give a rats ass of what happends. 7.try to aviod anybody who can ruin your trip, IE cops, parents, stupid friends, etc. And stay away from any authority. 8.Have money so you can get some food when you are hungery, because if you dont eat, it will not be fun. And eating while you have the munchies is one of the best things on earth. 9.try and aviod driving, personally I like to be in the passenger seat while I am high, that way it takes the responsibility off my mind, and I dont have anything to worry about. 10.If you goto a threater to watch a movie, its good that you see a comedy, cause if it is a serious movie, it wont be fun. 11.If you go out anywere, it might be good to carry some Visine, because if it is your first time, you will have red eyes,and you will look very high, so use visine of you are going to a store. 12.have some good music with you, music that you enjoy, weed enhances music a great deal, and it will make the experience 100 times better. 13.Have fun, weed can be very good if you know how to use it, I hope I have helped a little, and I speak from experience so listen to what I say.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Leukoism]
#4055690 - 04/14/05 04:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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To Wiccan_Seeker:
I'm glad that you can live a happy, normal life without having to get high, but many people can't (especially those with acute creativity and those whose ideas and morals go against societys'), so please don't impose your opinions on others, that's how war and genocide happens. As for your proof, I'm not sure what to say. it is near impossible to find proof [regarding cannabis] that isn't tainted and/or biased in some way, so i would advise anyone to not listen to what people tell you about the herb, only experience can give you real proof. And from my experience, i must disagree with you on several points. Much of the information you have presented is pure scare tactics (search for the studies of Gabriel Nahas to see the lengths that the U.S. government went to to stop Cannabis use), but much of it is also valid according to the few non-biased studies that have been conducted. As for shrooms. It is unclear whether you will 'develop' schizofrenia or you will 'bring underlying schizofrenia to the surface', and it is impossible to prove (atleast for now it is). But evidence suggests that it is an underlying disease in almost all cases (evidence coming from family history of the disease and already present , but light symptoms). Schizofrenia is a very strange disease concerning genetics. It is very sparatic (having no pattern what-so-ever) between generations, but rarely goes from parent to child (as juxtaposed to going from uncle to grand half nephew[<example]).
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