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OmEgAx1
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4047634 - 04/12/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldnt rule out MJ just yet, I dont trust the validity of that research or the source. Just as I wouldnt trust the DEAs opinion of psychadelics.
THC works on the Cannabinoid receptors in your brain.
Schizophrenia seems to be a serotonin related problem. http://www.biopsychiatry.com/schizoserotonin.htm
THC does not change the Serotonin activities of your brain.
I dont think theres ever been any reported cases of Schizophrenia being triggered by marijuana either, even though probably MANY people who have a high risk of Schizophrenia have tried Marijuana. If anything I'd think it would supress it due to the depressant like effects of CBN.
I would like to see official scientific research on this, rather than something "crazyf'inschizos.com" says.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4047647 - 04/12/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I highly dout that pot is going to bring up some sort of Schizophrenia... maybe statistics show this but has anyone actualy seen this happen? Being the everyday smoker that I am I really find it hard to believe...but please someone prove me rong. Has anyone personaly seen this happen?
Also as a side note the people in these studies could have been on many other drugs...
I dont mean to cause and argument but I just have never heard of such a thing...
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: Dazed]
#4047674 - 04/12/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe to-be schitzos just happen to smoke more pot? There are way too many what-ifs to say that marijuana can trigger or cause it, and theres no actual physical evidence to back it up. Infact the real physical evidence points against the theory marijuana could possibly trigger any mental condition.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4047698 - 04/12/05 08:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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The thing is, if you're going to end up getting schizophrenia, mushrooms would bring it would sooner.
If you were not going to get it, then mushrooms wouldn't bring it out.
I'm not sure if just because your mother has it you will have it. I don't know how schizophrenia travels in families... if it comes from the mother's side, or father's side, or if it skips generations, etc etc.
It would probably be a good idea to find out a lot more about the topic.
If you learn how it travels through family, then you will probably be able to accurately say 'oh, I'm probably going to get it later on in life', or 'oh, I'm not going to get it'.
I'm not sure if they even know what factors schizophrenia depends on.
Perhaps someone could shed some light on this issue.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#4047776 - 04/12/05 08:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: And remember to take it easy.
Don't inhale so much that your lungs become so painful that you can't smoke anymore.
^^^ Where's the fun in that?
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: NoodleSalad]
#4047823 - 04/12/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you trash your lungs on the first blast then you wont be able to smoke anymore, and you wont be able to get as high.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#4047898 - 04/12/05 09:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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From experiental reports, I'm not sure if it is true potentiation of marijuana and MAOIs, just like marijuana and LSD isn't necessarily true potentiation, but strong synergism. Some MAOIs like harmaline are psychoactive in their own right, and marijuana will intensify the experience it is said, similar to smoking marijuana on hallucinogens.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: DoDo]
#4047914 - 04/12/05 09:32 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to the poster for approving MJ for a possible border-line schizophrenic circumstance. I do not want to condone or approve any drug that would be harmful on your mind and body but I for one was never aware that any relation existed between Cannabis and Schizophrenia. I'ts alot easier for anyone of us to say just dont do it for the sake of possibly reaping negative consequences but relative to my meandering personal experiences with most other drugs, I would subjectively and rationally say? that marijuana has a lower potential of drawing out psychotic disorders than some of the other psychedelics, amphetamines or dissociatives.
I however, stand corrected and do not recommend the partaking in any substance where research has shown ill effects on those pre-disposed to Schizophrenia. I?m not going to dig around for studies to challenge this article for I?m sure Cannabis would not help one who is genitally inclined for psychotic disorders regardless, therefore, from this side of the comp, it?s a catch 22?.
I don?t want a time bomb Schizoid to suffer on the behalf of my mistaken advice.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: PsillyNilly]
#4047950 - 04/12/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still dont trust whackjobschizos.com... -_-
As far as the effects of marijuana, I would recommend to goto a Marijuana related source rather than a Schizophrenic related source, and in any proven source Ive seen, there is no correlation between Marijuana and Schizophrenia.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4048686 - 04/13/05 01:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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CuI210us said: Hey guys, ... and are there any tips for a first timer?
My first time I smoked way too much and had a trippy crazy high..highest I've ever been. It scared me away from weed for a while. While it is true that some people need a lot to get high their first time, some people don't need much. I would suggest smoking a little, waiting 30 minutes, see how you are feeling then, and go from there.
About the schizophrenia thing..from what I understand marijuana works quite differently than lsd, psilocybin, mdma, etc. I wouldn't worry about it.
Have fun!
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#4049201 - 04/13/05 05:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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OmEgAx1 said: I wouldnt rule out MJ just yet, I dont trust the validity of that research or the source. Just as I wouldnt trust the DEAs opinion of psychadelics.
THC works on the Cannabinoid receptors in your brain.
Schizophrenia seems to be a serotonin related problem. http://www.biopsychiatry.com/schizoserotonin.htm
THC does not change the Serotonin activities of your brain.
I dont think theres ever been any reported cases of Schizophrenia being triggered by marijuana either, even though probably MANY people who have a high risk of Schizophrenia have tried Marijuana. If anything I'd think it would supress it due to the depressant like effects of CBN.
I would like to see official scientific research on this, rather than something "crazyf'inschizos.com" says.
First of all i wasn't claiming that the relation between the use of marijuana and developing schizophrenia was a fact, I was merely pointing out that it had been suggested and that there was evidence supporting these claims.
Secondly, the underlying pathophysiology of schizophrenia is far from completely understood and suggesting that marijuana cannot trigger schizophrenia because it's primary action is not on the same site as where the suggested abnormalitys associated with schizophrenia take place is very bold. Your brain is a delicately balanced piece of work and disturbing one system will usually lead to the disturbance of another.
As for the "crazyf'inschizos.com" argument. The website qouted is named schizophrenia.com and is likely the most comprehensive and reliable source of information regarding the disease in question. If you actually took the time to read through the text you would see that it is supported by a number of sientific study's and links to several individual cases (the most doubtful in my mind).
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#4049223 - 04/13/05 05:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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OmEgAx1 said: I still dont trust whackjobschizos.com... -_-
As far as the effects of marijuana, I would recommend to goto a Marijuana related source rather than a Schizophrenic related source, and in any proven source Ive seen, there is no correlation between Marijuana and Schizophrenia.
I would recommend exactly the opposite when searching for health related effects. Marijuana related sources are usually created and maintained by users which have the tendency to ignore or make any negative health issues seem like inexistent while overemphasizing the positive effects. On the other hand I wouldn't recommend going to a government funded site either, for exactly opposite reasons. To my opinion medical research is your best bet when searching for unbiased drug information.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#4049224 - 04/13/05 05:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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*edit: hit reply two times
Edited by DoDo (04/13/05 05:51 AM)
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: DoDo]
#4049228 - 04/13/05 05:53 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not impossible, but very unlikely. As others have said, I would like to reiterate the point that there have been NO reported cases of schizophrenia caused by marijuana, regardless of the many politically charged, biased, and simply poor quality studies claiming to establish a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia or psychosis.
It is a generally accepted fact that psychedelics have a tendency to bring out latent psychological disorders. Marijuana, while perhaps mimicking disorders such as paranoia and schizophrenia while under the influence, these effects diminish as the high diminishes. Almost all users of marijuana report returning to baseline without mental cloudyness or memory problems within a few days or weeks after stopping smoking entirely.
In fact, many people who currently suffer from psychosis use marijuana to self-medicate and relax themselves and to keep them in check. There was a news article posted about this a few weeks back.
If you ask me, MJ is a viable alternative for a variety of things. It can be used for intoxication, for enhancement, for escape, for insight, for meditation, for relaxation, as a sleep aid, for nausea, for loss of apetite, etc etc.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4049288 - 04/13/05 06:14 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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As others have said, I would like to reiterate the point that there have been NO reported cases of schizophrenia caused by marijuana, regardless of the many politically charged, biased, and simply poor quality studies claiming to establish a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia or psychosis.
This is true. The elevated risk associated with the use of Marijuana is low, and it is impossible to proof any of the suggestions made with the use of retrospective study's as many try to do. I do however think the average Marijuana user closes his eyes too easy when it comes to health issues like these, just like DXM users will tell you their drug when used in excess does not cause Olney's lesions because it has not yet been proven.
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In fact, many people who currently suffer from psychosis use marijuana to self-medicate and relax themselves and to keep them in check. There was a news article posted about this a few weeks back.
Just like most forms of self-medication there is absolutely no way to proof that there are any beneficial effects of this sort because the observer is biased. I think this is a very dangerous idea.
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If you ask me, MJ is a viable alternative for a variety of things. It can be used for intoxication, for enhancement, for escape, for insight, for meditation, for relaxation, as a sleep aid, for nausea, for loss of appetite, etc etc.
I certainly agree
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: CuI210us]
#4050374 - 04/13/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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CuI210us said: Hey guys, 420 is comin around the corner and me and my friend figured we would smoke some pot. He has smoked pot before, but I have not.
The only thing im worried about is that i am on lexapro, which is a anti depressant, which i take for GAD (general anxiety disorder), and im not too sure if bad things can happen while on this drug.
Basically, my question is, Is it safe to mix pot and Lexapro? and are there any tips for a first timer?
Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: steelflower]
#4050408 - 04/13/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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steelflower said: Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life
Lexapro is actually an SSRI. It is a bad idea to combine SSRI's and MAOI's, but by themselves you're right, they are relatively safe.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: dblaney]
#4050477 - 04/13/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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dblaney18 said:
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steelflower said: Iam 99.99% sure that MAOI's wont in any effect you in any bad way. It will make the anti-deppresant seem weak in makeing you feel bettewr compared to weed. Smoke up, youll have the time of your life
Lexapro is actually an SSRI. It is a bad idea to combine SSRI's and MAOI's, but by themselves you're right, they are relatively safe.
I dont know much about antideppressants, I was assuming all anti depresants were MAOI's which are safe with Ghanja. But its good that its clarified.
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: steelflower]
#4050686 - 04/13/05 01:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know what they say about assuming
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Re: 420 coming, smoking pot for first time, just a few questions. [Re: steelflower]
#4050992 - 04/13/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure most (if not all) anti depressants are SSRIs.
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