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InvisibleSwami
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Learning and excuses
    #4042258 - 04/11/05 07:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Just got through dismantling an opponent playing money backgammon. He stated that I am the luckiest player he ever saw. I did not see it that way as he made many poor choices.

The other day, I beat a young, tough guy on the racquetball court and he proclaimed that he lost because he had finals that week. Whatever...

This type of ego-protecting mechanism precludes ANY type of learning. If an approach in ANY endeavor fails to give the desired result, the methodology MUST be examined or one will stagnate.

Why are these types of excuses so prevalent and blinding? Because we have usually invested a lot in a method or approach that worked (or seemed to work) up to a certain level and could not take us any further; yet we still believe it to be the best.

Losing is not failure; losing and learning nothing from the experience is failure.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4042282 - 04/11/05 08:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not Winning = Learning = Growing = Winning....  :grin:


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4042494 - 04/11/05 08:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mazeltov
but don't you wish you learned something!
ha!
maybe you get to teach.
darn.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4042586 - 04/11/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have been listening to a audio series I downloaded with Bittorrent. It is called "Personal Power 2" by Tony Robbins. It is a self help type of thing. The content is decent, but he makes a good point that I like immensely. Most successful people fail 7 out of 10 times, but people with a record of success tend to make adjustments based on what they learned and try again...and again until they hit it right. The average person tends to fail and give up because they don't like failure.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4042592 - 04/11/05 09:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I learn all the time from my losing which is how I got to be quite adept. How many people are better in ANY highly physical sport at 49 than when they were at an already-experienced 25?


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043360 - 04/12/05 12:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I met an old friend of mine tonight and I started talking to her about spirituality over a joint. I explained that reality wasn't real, that it was of our own creation, but she said she doesn't want to thing about those things. She says she likes to talk about plush topics, I think was the word she used. People just don't want to confront it, they don't want to think about it. They don't want to learn because they're afraid of truth. The lesson to learn is that Truth is bliss!


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4043454 - 04/12/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The lesson to learn is that Truth is bliss!

Finding out that your beloved is banging someone else is bliss?

Discovering that your government is stealing you blind is bliss?


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043484 - 04/12/05 01:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So have you been your own teacher all these years.. .relying on all of your own evidence to learn, all of your own... experiences and "objective" reasoning?


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Zero7a1]
    #4043490 - 04/12/05 01:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I will always be happy to learn the truth. Ultimately everything is well.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Zero7a1]
    #4043524 - 04/12/05 01:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So have you been your own teacher all these years.. .relying on all of your own evidence to learn, all of your own... experiences and "objective" reasoning?

I have not had direct coaching experience, but I have used the "modelling" method. In this way, most everyone is your teacher. If someone does something better than you, you can:

A. Attribute it to "lucK" or "natural" talent.

B. Ignore it.

C. Attempt to mimic their form and/or training.

I played for many years at a mediocre level until I consciously tried to study the game and learn from EVERY session.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4043531 - 04/12/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ultimately everything is well.

As things are still unfolding and you have never been to "Ultimately", how can you possibly know what it will be like?


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043563 - 04/12/05 01:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's a matter of relative, or symbolic, understanding. Understanding the cyclical nature of the universse that is present in all things. Understanding the fractal nature of the universe, that all things share common fundamental elements. As above, so below. As within, so without. It all comes back to the fundamental, the source, the origin. Covnentionality is impermanent, lies are innately false, evil always comes up short. It always transcends, points to the good. The Yin/Yang. The cyclical nature of creation, manifestation into conventionality, the learning experience, purging and refining infinite by delving into physicality/conventionality/evil. And through evil good is achieved, the lesson is learnt. At death we reunite with the source. It all comes back to the fundamental, to good.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4043579 - 04/12/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Nice ramble, but not any sort of answer.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043595 - 04/12/05 01:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: Nice read Swami.

Sometimes I wonder whether people compete for the game, or for their ego. Winning, losing meh, it's the process that's important, not the outcome.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4043603 - 04/12/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I have certainly been to "Ultimately"...once upon a time.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043605 - 04/12/05 01:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

and when a flawed option is the best one available?


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4043609 - 04/12/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Meaning what?

Edit:
Guess you didn't use teh quick reply. :tongue:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043783 - 04/12/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Man... the "stop making/believing excuses" lesson took a long time for me.


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: Swami]
    #4043970 - 04/12/05 04:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
The lesson to learn is that Truth is bliss!

Finding out that your beloved is banging someone else is bliss?

Discovering that your government is stealing you blind is bliss?




Discovering that its all like a dream anyway so you dont have to take it so seriously is Blissful  :grin:


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Re: Learning and excuses [Re: egghead1]
    #4044048 - 04/12/05 04:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i cant read this post cause im blind


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