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OfflineMatRatSFV
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Cakes or Casing?
    #4040639 - 04/11/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:mushroom2:I'm about to start my first grow very soon, i was just looking at some casing teks, and i was wondering if i should even waste my time with cakes? Ive heard that casing takes a while to get down, so i guess my real question is "Will i benefit more with casing, if i have some cake experience under my belt?" :mushroom2:


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040651 - 04/11/05 12:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I started with casings, but I had the help of someone who knew what they were doing.


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040654 - 04/11/05 12:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

cakes give you no prerquisite experience except for the practices of cleanliness and sterility-
case 'em

'bout to start?
inoculation or are they colonized?


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: psilocyben]
    #4040658 - 04/11/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

bout to start inoculation, because i have no print yet(i live in cali)


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: psilocyben]
    #4040666 - 04/11/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I figured i pick thing up quickly so i cased on my first run. ride with it.


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #4040672 - 04/11/05 12:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

howd it work out? contams at all?


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040685 - 04/11/05 12:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You will still use cakes initially. When the cakes are fully colonized, you crumble and case. This is the easiest method I've seen here and not that hard to do. Follow the directions on your chosen tek and search the forum for any questions you might have. If you can't find a clear answer to a question using the search feature, start a post and ask the members.

Good luck with your casing man. You can do it.


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: Wronguy]
    #4040695 - 04/11/05 12:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i haven't ever seen contams with the exception of spoiled food in my fridge and i've been going on about 9 months now.do you have the stuff to make brown rice cakes???


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: thenewguy05]
    #4040712 - 04/11/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i just need to find BRF


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040722 - 04/11/05 01:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MatRatSFV said:
howd it work out? contams at all?




in addition to providing a microclimate,
the casing layer acts as a contaminant barrier.


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040724 - 04/11/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah, i was totally planning on making cakes, but i guess i should have asked "is fruiting from cakes a waste of time, or should i case them?"


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040733 - 04/11/05 01:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MatRatSFV said:

:mushroom2:I'm about to start my first grow very soon, i was just looking at some casing teks, and i was wondering if i should even waste my time with cakes? Ive heard that casing takes a while to get down, so i guess my real question is "Will i benefit more with casing, if i have some cake experience under my belt?" :mushroom2:




We usually start people with cakes so that they will get some fruits their first time out.
Being your first time there is a good chance of failure...and cakes are more contam resistant for newbies.

For years I used to start all my new strains out on cakes...to make sure that I wouldn't fail...because I had less contams with cakes...and so that I would be sure to have prints to work with.

Working with cakes isn't a bad thing.

Moving on to casings and bulk substrates is where you will want to end up!~

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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040734 - 04/11/05 01:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MatRatSFV said:
i just need to find BRF




Skip the BRF and go with WBS. There is a little prep work involved, but well worth it. From there you can do grain to grain transfer or simply case.

I used this tek and it worked great: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004

If you still want to use BRF try your local health food store like Whole Foods Market or Vitamin Cottage. It'll cost you about $3-$4 a bag compared to $1-$2 for the wild bird seed (depending on the size you get).


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: MatRatSFV]
    #4040767 - 04/11/05 01:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I am growing for the first time and was also wondering the same question last week.

This article really made me decide to use casing instead of cakes

I am actually starting casing today using the 50/50+ method. I'm not afraid to try new things, and it looks like the yield from casing is quite a bit better! Peace


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: Argo]
    #4040900 - 04/11/05 01:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Do both. That way you have a back up for one or the other. I think thats the safest way to make sure you get something.

Plus you can explore a little more and play and see what works best for you.

REMEMBER, just because its on this site, it does not mean its the only way to do it. People are always improving TEKs and making improvements.

EXPERIMENT!


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: Photoguy]
    #4040915 - 04/11/05 01:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I was wondering if you did crumble it up and cased it, would it help if I'd put a layer of uncolonized substrate (sterile) below the the colonized layer.. would that help produce more flushes?


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Re: Cakes or Casing? [Re: rtek]
    #4041073 - 04/11/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yes it would help. What you just wanted to do, I think, is bulk growing. You take colonized substrate and combine it, spawn, with something with nutrients,this can be many things. Check the TEK's, but I understand pasteurized, not sterilized, horse poo works quite well. Then you allow this spawn to fully colonize, about 7-10 days. After full colonization you case this. You start with a much larger chunk of mycelium. Lot of nutrients to produce much bigger and better flushes.
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