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To case straw or not?
    #4035653 - 04/09/05 11:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Everyone,

I am in the middle of a second attempt at straw. The first attempt ended up contaming (for numerous reasons which I learned from). So far things are going extremely excellent, but I just had one question.

Should I case the straw once its colonized? What are the advantages or disadvantages of doing either? The straw has a good moisture content, and definitely weighs a good amount. It hasn't showed any signs of drying out.

The reason I am asking is that I have seen people do strawlogs that aren't cased. I know a lot of people will just say "case it", but I am just looking for some reasons.

Thanks!


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: deviation]
    #4035719 - 04/10/05 12:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard that uncased straw will only have one flush but I don't know for sure. I'm also curious about a 50-50 straw/horse poo mix and if that needs cased or not.


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #4035728 - 04/10/05 12:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

the 50/50 dosnt need to be but i would for a bigger yield. about the straight straw...I just dont know have an opinion if cased is better than uncased or not


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: goofy98]
    #4036138 - 04/10/05 03:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Straw log can give ~4 big flushes if it's got a wide diameter. No need to case!


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: I_Stain_Blue]
    #4036279 - 04/10/05 05:49 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Im about to fruit (cambodian)on a cased straw block (about 3 liter), figured casing it with verm. the block should have more moisture/pitch the moisture holding capacity abit.

Its my first straw grow...next week ill start a 1/4 - 1/3 horsepoo and straw mix (30 liter) with the amazonian on chickenfeed.

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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: deviation]
    #4036290 - 04/10/05 06:15 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why do people case?
- rehydration
Also preventing/slowing down substrate from drying out.

- it is a barier against contams
When you harvest mushrooms the roots sometimes are deep and substrate comes with it. Contams can attackt easier without a casing layer.
Even though, I have fruited Orissa upside down, as a giant strawcake, and it never contammed, it had 5 decent flushes.

The yield will not differ a lot IMHO between case or no-case. As long as one can dehydrate the substrate well after flushes. So nutes and water, if mushrooms have that in same quantities then in the end the yield wont differ a lot. All imho, pure logic thinking.

Said all this, I still case, for me its a matter of feeling, I have a good feeling bout it... :laugh:

And good results.

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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4036421 - 04/10/05 08:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

why dehydrate after flushes?


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: mattymonkey]
    #4036464 - 04/10/05 08:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

He meant rehydrate.


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4036924 - 04/10/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the advice =)


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: deviation]
    #4036956 - 04/10/05 01:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Casing material is meant to supply moisture to the substrate. All of my straw casings get a casing layer. Much better results doing so!


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4037151 - 04/10/05 02:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Straw with casing layer:


I havnt done any uncased...I dont see the need or reason, in my case. If you have the straw in a casing container, I'd just case it. If its in a log shape, just leave it. I have seen nice results from uncased straw logs, but only BIG and THICK ones. And not even so many nice results..just a few. Just IMO..


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4037324 - 04/10/05 03:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

any yeild potentials on straw?


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: mattymonkey]
    #4037401 - 04/10/05 04:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mattymonkey said:

any yeild potentials on straw?




yeah on the first 2 flushes...you can do alright.

horse poo kicks the living crap out of plain straw.


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4037410 - 04/10/05 04:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Roadkill said:
Quote:

mattymonkey said:

any yeild potentials on straw?




yeah on the first 2 flushes...you can do alright.

horse poo kicks the living crap out of plain straw.




SO TRUE :thumbup:


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: mattymonkey]
    #4037411 - 04/10/05 04:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah some. Unfortunately this is the only pic I have of an uncased straw casing. It has some coir/coffee/poultrypoo in it also. This one had trich and has been nursed back to health with bleach. It's been through hell. It's dry as a chip too. See the blueing? I'm waiting for it to fully recover until I case it. Not a lot of pins, but i'll take'em.

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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: deviation]
    #4037445 - 04/10/05 04:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

did I type dehydrate?
must be RE-hydrate then


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4037450 - 04/10/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

hotnutz--nursed back to health with beach? tell us about that process...


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: gratefulredhead]
    #4037567 - 04/10/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've been foolin with bleach misting and dunking for a few years now. It's really effective if the prob is caught right off the bat. This casing had trich on the ends of the straw, just on top. The idea is to render the contaminate enough so the mushroom mycelium can overtake the food source and stop the contaminate from spreading. It's NOT harmful either. By that I mean the fruits can be consumed from a bleach dunked substrate without causing harm. That's another story! But anyway, this was misted heavily with a 1:80 bleach/h20 solution. Then allowed to recover and pick up healthy growing again. Lightly misted with h20 everday for rehydration. You have to get a feal for it. A 1:80 solution is pretty heavy duty. For dunking I recommend 1:200, contaminated or not.


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: deviation]
    #4037630 - 04/10/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting! I'll keep this in mind... Got a casing with a quite a bit of trich going right now. maybe i'll experiment a bit.


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Re: To case straw or not? [Re: gratefulredhead]
    #4037720 - 04/10/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What's trich?


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