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LSA Thread. All input please.
    #4033066 - 04/09/05 02:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

seems like there is a lot of confusion about LSA.  especially when a bunch of people say that LSA makes you sick and puke the whole time, while others suggest its the other things in the seeds.

i cant say as i know much of anything except what i have experienced with the different seeds.  there are tons of posts about what people saw/felt while on it so I'm not gonna bother adding my 2 cents.  I will add that i have only experimented with HBWR, Rivea, and I tricolor.

what i am suggesting is a thread that tries to cover most of the key points of LSA and all the plants/seeds that are related (especially the 3 common seeds).

some things I'll start off with and would like to know.

how to extract pure LSA.

for people new to these seeds.  Here are the 3 more common types that people use.

Argyreia nervosa-Hawaiian Baby Woodrose.  Strongest LSA seeds.
Ipomoea purpurea (the ones sold here go by I. tricolour)-Morning Glory
Rivea corymbosa-Ololiuqui.  In between i guess.  my personal fave.

ill be editing in links to pages as i find them.  any extra input (and sources would be best) are what I'm looking for.

peace :smile:

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Argyreia nervosa-Hawaiian Baby Woodrose


Major Alkaloid Content in the seeds of A. nervosa(Burm. f.) Bojer

[snip] % of Total alkaloid % dry seed weight
Ergine 22.68 0.136
Isoergine 31.36 0.188
Ergometrine 8.20 0.049
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide 5.79 0.035
IsoLys. || 3.98 0.024

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From Dr. Dukes: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/farmacy2.pl


Chemicals

CHANOCLAVINE Seed: DUKE1992A

ERGINE Seed: DUKE1992A

ERGONOVINE Seed: DUKE1992A

ISOERGINE Seed: DUKE1992A
  Biological Activities

    Hallucinogen Dosage: 2 mg/man/day/orl; Reference: CRC

   
LYSERGIC-ACID-AMIDES Seed: DUKE1992A

PENNICLAVINE Seed: DUKE1992A

STRYCHNINE Plant: DUKE1992A
    Biological Activities

    Analeptic Reference: MAR
    Antiapneic Dosage: 100 ug/kg; Reference: M29
    Antidote Dosage: =Charcoal, Diazepam; Reference: M29
    Antihyperglycemic Dosage: 25 ug/kg/4x/day/chd; Reference: M29
    Antioxidant Reference: PC27:974
    Apertif
    CNS-Stimulant Reference: M11
    Canicide Reference: M29
    Circulatory-Stimulant
    Convulsant
    Peristaltic
    Rodenticide Reference: MAR
    Stimulant
    Tonic Reference: M11

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Activities

    Analeptic MAR
    Antiapneic 100 ug/kg M29
    Antidote =Charcoal, Diazepam M29
    Antihyperglycemic 25 ug/kg/4x/day/chd M29
    Antioxidant PC27:974
    Apertif DUKE1992B
    Canicide M29
    Circulatory-Stimulant DUKE1992B
    CNS-Stimulant M11
    Convulsant DUKE1992B
    Hallucinogen 2 mg/man/day/orl CRC
    Peristaltic DUKE1992B
    Rodenticide MAR
    Stimulant DUKE1992B
    Tonic M11


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Ipomoea purpurea-Morning Glory


From Dr. Dukes: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/farmacy2.pl
Chemicals

CHANOCLAVINE Seed 50 ppm; DUKE1992A

CHANOCLAVINE-1-CARBOXYLIC-ACID Seed: DUKE1992A

ELYMOCLAVINE Seed 50 ppm; DUKE1992A
Biological Activities

    CNS-Stimulant Reference: JBH
    Prolactin-Inhibitor Reference: JBH


ERGINE Seed 350 ppm; DUKE1992A

ERGOMETRINE Seed 50 ppm; DUKE1992A
Biological Activities

    Abortifacient
    Antiimplantation Reference: JBH
    Hemostat Reference: CRC
    Lactafuge Reference: JBH
    Oxytocic Reference: JBH
    Prolactin-Inhibitor Reference: JBH
    Uterotonic Reference: CRC


ISOERGINE Seed 50 ppm; DUKE1992A
Biological Activities

    Hallucinogen Dosage: 2 mg/man/day/orl; Reference: CRC

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Activities

    Abortifacient DUKE1992B
    Antiimplantation JBH
    CNS-Stimulant JBH
    Hallucinogen 2 mg/man/day/orl CRC
    Hemostat CRC
    Lactafuge JBH
    Oxytocic JBH
    Prolactin-Inhibitor JBH
    Uterotonic CRC

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Rivea corymbosa-Ololiuqui



AKA  Turbina corymbosa.

from DR. Dukes: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/farmacy2.pl
Chemicals

1,7-DIMETHYLPHENANTHRENE Seed: DUKE1992A

ALKALOIDS Seed 560 ppm; DUKE1992A

CHANOCLAVINE Seed 40 ppm; DUKE1992A

ELYMOICLAVINE Seed 15 ppm; DUKE1992A

ERGINE Seed 100 ppm; DUKE1992A

ERGOMETRINE Seed 20 ppm; DUKE1992A
  Biological Activities

    Abortifacient
    Antiimplantation Reference: JBH
    Hemostat Reference: CRC
    Lactafuge Reference: JBH
    Oxytocic Reference: JBH
    Prolactin-Inhibitor Reference: JBH
    Uterotonic Reference: CRC


ERGOMETRININE Seed 20 ppm; DUKE1992A

ISOERGINE Seed 190 ppm; DUKE1992A
  Biological Activities:

    Hallucinogen Dosage: 2 mg/man/day/orl; Reference: CRC


LYSERGOL Seed: DUKE1992A

PENNICLAVINE Seed: DUKE1992A

PHENANTHRENE Seed: DUKE1992A

TRYPTOPHAN Seed: DUKE1992A
  Biological Activities:

    Analgesic Dosage: 750 mg/4x/day/orl/man; Reference: M29
    Antianxiety Dosage: 500-1,000 mg/meal; Reference: WER
    Antidementia Dosage: 3 g/day; Reference: WER
    Antidepressant Dosage: 1-3 g/3x/day/orl/man; Reference: M29
    Antidyskinetic Dosage: 2-8 g/orl/wmn/day; Reference: M29
    Antihypertensive Reference: JAF36:1079
    Antiinsomniac Dosage: 1-3 g/day; Reference: WER
    Antimanic Dosage: 12 g/man/day/orl; Reference: PAM
    Antimenopausal Dosage: 6 g/day; Reference: WER
    Antimigraine Dosage: 500 mg/man/4x/day; Reference: M29
    Antioxidant Dosage: 125 ug/ml; Reference: X12120812 PC27:976
    Antiparkinsonian Dosage: 2 g 3 x/day; Reference: WER
    Antiphenylketonuric Reference: M29
    Antiprostaglandin Dosage: 250 pg/ml; Reference: X12120812
    Antipsychotic Dosage: 12 g/man/day; Reference: M29
    Antirheumatic Reference: M29
    Antiscoliotic Reference: ACS791:267
    Carcinogenic Reference: CRC
    Essential Reference: JBH
    Hypnotic Reference: M29
    Hypoglycemic Reference: EMP6:157
    Hypotensive Dosage: 3 g/day; Reference: WER
    Insulinase-Inhibitor Reference: EMP6:157
    Insulinotonic Reference: JAF36:1079
    Monoamine-Precursor Reference: PAM
    Prolactinogenic Reference: PAM
    Sedative Dosage: 3-10 g/man/day; Reference: M29 PAM
    Serotoninergic Dosage: 6-12 g/day/orl/man; Reference: MAR
    Tumor-Promoter Reference: JAF36:1079


TUBICORYNE Plant: DUKE1992A
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Activities

    Abortifacient DUKE1992B
    Analgesic 750 mg/4x/day/orl/man M29
    Antianxiety 500-1,000 mg/meal WER
    Antidementia 3 g/day WER
    Antidepressant 1-3 g/3x/day/orl/man M29
    Antidyskinetic 2-8 g/orl/wmn/day M29
    Antihypertensive JAF36:1079
    Antiimplantation JBH
    Antiinsomniac 1-3 g/day WER
    Antimanic 12 g/man/day/orl PAM
    Antimenopausal 6 g/day WER
    Antimigraine 500 mg/man/4x/day M29
    Antioxidant 125 ug/ml
    Antiparkinsonian 2 g 3 x/day WER
    Antiphenylketonuric M29
    Antiprostaglandin 250 pg/ml X12120812
    Antipsychotic 12 g/man/day M29
    Antirheumatic M29
    Antiscoliotic ACS791:267
    Carcinogenic CRC
    Essential JBH
    Hallucinogen 2 mg/man/day/orl CRC
    Hemostat CRC
    Hypnotic M29
    Hypoglycemic EMP6:157
    Hypotensive 3 g/day WER
    Insulinase-Inhibitor EMP6:157
    Insulinotonic JAF36:1079
    Lactafuge JBH
    Monoamine-Precursor PAM
    Oxytocic JBH
    Prolactin-Inhibitor JBH
    Prolactinogenic PAM
    Sedative 3-10 g/man/day
    Serotoninergic 6-12 g/day/orl/man MAR
    Tumor-Promoter JAF36:1079
    Uterotonic CRC

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General Info


Comparison
        LAA% Total Alks. % by weight

Hawaiian baby wood rose: 0.04 0.30
Ololiuqui: 0.02 0.04
Heavenly Blue: 0.01 0.02
Pearly Gates: 0.02 0.03
Wedding Bells: 0.01 0.03

Possible other species containing LSA-http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_info2.shtml
Ipomoea. argyrophylla
"  batatas
"  hederacea
"  muricata
"  nil
"  pharbitis
"  pupurea

More species, from Lycaeum: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=163

Acremonium coenophialum
Acremonium sp. 
Argyreia nervosa
Claviceps paspali
Claviceps purpurea
Ipomoea violacea
Rivea/Turbina corymbosa
Stipa robusta

DR. Dukes also mentions that ISOERGINE, which is according to that site hallucinogenic, is also found in Argyreia speciosa seeds as well as in Argyreia nervosa seeds.


ISOERGINE...there is obviously far more, but thats all they list :frown:

Species containing ISOERGINE, Lycaeum: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=164

Acremonium sp.
Claviceps paspali
Claviceps purpurea

Species containing ISOERGINE, Dr. Dukes: http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/plants.html

    Argyreia nervosa (BURM.) BOJER -- Silver Morning Glory, Wood Rose; found in Seed
    Argyreia speciosa SWEET. -- Elephant Creeper; found in Seed
    Ipomoea violacea L. -- Ololiuqui, Tlitlitzen; found in Seed
    Rivea corymbosa HALL. f. -- Snakeplant; found in Seed



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Links


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Hawaiian Baby Woodrose



Erowids Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Vault
http://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw.shtml

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Ipomoea purpurea-Morning Glory


Erowids Morning Glory Vault
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory.shtml


Ipomoea violacea : from PHARMAKO/GNOSIS by Dale Pendell
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16856


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Rivea corymbosa-Ololiuqui



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General Info


Comparison
http://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_info1.shtml

Erowids LSA Vault
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsa/lsa.shtml

erowid extraction #1
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml

erowid extraction #2
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction2.shtml


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Edited by kadakuda (04/09/05 03:32 AM)


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4033104 - 04/09/05 03:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard an interesting extraction method where you soak the seeds in a paper towel over night like you're germinating them and then the next morning you can pick off the shells and just eat the insides. I know it works for Morning Glory anyways.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4033251 - 04/09/05 04:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OK, let's start with the most basic piece of information - it's not the LSA. This universal, persistent myth is so deeply entrenched it's rather exasperating (and alarming - what other pieces of common, well-accepted knowledge appearing on sites such as the lycaeum and erowid are false?).
The HBWR and Morning Glory experience, when attained, has always been compared to LSDas being identical, with an added relaxative/sedative effect. LSA, aka lysergamide, aka ergine, does not produce these type of results. It is either irrelevant to the experience, or is significant only by interacting with another alkaloid. Same for isoergine.
Ergonovine, aka ergometrine, has been shown to produce an LSD-like effect, but only at doses high enough to cause physical side effects (painful leg cramping), which are not usually experienced, at least to the extent seen in Hofmann and others' attempts, in successful MG assays.
In short, several decades after Hofmann evinced to a disbelieving crowd the presense of ergot alkaloids in MG seeds, we still know very little about their actual composition and how they achieve effects.
There's very little reliable information and techniques about these, because we simply don't know. People have been filling the void with all manners of rampant speculation (strychnine and cyanogenic glycosides in the seeds, for example), and unfortunately some of these, having been repeated so much, are now accepted as "common knowledge".

This leads to your other questions: since we don't know what we're extracting, there are no reliable extraction methods. This is further complicated by the fact that hands-on, proven but theoretically unsound methods are also lacking, because the alkaloid content of seeds fluctuates wildly, rendering results difficult to interpret, and secondly, these molecules are apparently highly sensitive to heat, light and acidic/basic conditions.

There's a very large thread in the Lycaeum (Visionary Chemicals sections) devoted to exploring this topic. It is replete with the forementioned errors, but nevertheless it is the current shoddy state of the art regarding experiments and methods, so explore that first. At this point, until a group forms with the intention of conducting more-or-less controlled experiments, no real answers can be given.
I think there are even several countries in which such experimentation would be legal.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: stvip]
    #4033417 - 04/09/05 06:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

In every MG experience over 100 seeds I've had leg cramps, never painful but noticeable enough and restricting movement.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: stvip]
    #4034509 - 04/09/05 04:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

awsome stuff, thanks for that!

so according to Dr. Dukes, and i think you were agreeing, Isoergine is hallucinogenic. as tehre methods of extracting this one substance?

has it been proven to cause different states of mind singly?

and why is it that all these studies leave out rivea? to me its the best trip out of the common 3. by far.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4034654 - 04/09/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"so according to Dr. Dukes, and i think you were agreeing, Isoergine is hallucinogenic"

No. Surprisingly, the Wikipedia entry on ergine is more insightful on this subject than the usually venerable Erowid (where it is taken for granted that LSA is the desirable alkaloid).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergine

"Ergine, also known as d-lysergic acid amide, LSA, and LA-111, is an alkaloid of the ergoline family that occurs in various species of vines of the Convolvulaceae and some species of fungi. As the dominant alkaloid in the hallucinogenic seeds of Rivea corymbosa (ololiuhqui), Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian baby woodrose) and Ipomoea violacea (tlitliltzin), it is often stated that ergine and/or isoergine (its optical isomer) is responsible for the hallucinogenic activity. In fact, the effects of synthetic ergine and isoergine are not particularly hallucinogenic, see Mixing the Kykeon below for a summary of human trials, and Chapter 17 and entry #26 of TiHKAL for further discussion. Whether or not these compounds account for the hallucinogenic effects of the seeds remains unclear."

Rivea corymbosa probably garners less attention because it is more difficult to obtain, and apparently, more picky about blooming when cultivated. Ipomoea tricolor seeds are abundant and their price varies between cheap and free. However, for the Mazatecs, Ololiuhqui was much more important and frequently mentioned than Tlitlitzin. Of course, it is only an educated guess that those two names really do refer to those plant, and if so, to the cultivars we generally use. Amount of seeds traditionally taken seems to be at variance with current practice.

Another note to add to the mystery: the total alkaloid content of RC is much lower than IT, yet RC is active at an order of magnitude lesser number of seeds.

Btw, when you say you prefer ingesting RC to IT or AR: why is that, and what is your usual amount?


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: stvip]
    #4066640 - 04/17/05 10:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

with morning glory my usuall amount was 250.  ive tried as little as 100  and as many as 350, usually go 250 though.
rivea i usually have taken in the 50 seed range.  least i ever tried was 30 (which gave some cool body feelings and not much more) and the most was in the 70's.  once i have a free weekend i will be trying higher dosage.

hbwr i have only tried 1 time so far and only 3 seeds.  i cant really say much baout this.  i have less visuals a gut ache liek that of my hihger MG doses (nothing like what a lot of otehrs report...i wasnt puking). 

rivea to me jsut seems "cleaner".  not sure how else to describe it.  teh others i never get out right sick.  i do normally get an upset gut.  its a lot like being REALLY hungry i find.  once i eat (which for soem odd reason all 3 species make me want to eat) i usually start feeling worse, then 1-2 hours later it clears up and i feel great again :smile:

i have also noticed i get very tired around teh 5 hour mark.  i have only managed to stay awake a hand full of times.  every otehr time i wake up the next day feeling fine and liek nothing happened.  my knees do hurt more than usual, and i havnt gotten those bad leg cramps people speak of.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4067635 - 04/18/05 04:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

important thing to consider when comparing lsa bearing seed is freshness and when the seeds were picked in relation to seeding cycle..
i.e there is variation in effects/nausea and conc depending on how fresh and mature the seeds are (not to mention other common variations such as genetics, environ, plant cycle/age e.t.c)...

I have 2 rivea of about 3 yearsof age that are yet to bloom so i have never tried them, but generally i find a.nervosa to yield potent visual and mental hallucinations at about the 4-5seed dosage..
i have also experienced much nausea in the first 1-2hrs of A.nervosa which is exacerbated(sp) by alcohol, and soothed by sugars i.e glucose and gingers...
In my experience the I.violacea seed are active in doses higher then 120seed, with flower wines creating a dreamy sedated hallucinatory experience and seed creating a lethargic and very dreamlike/surreal mind state and visual perception...
there is lots of info out there on these guys but personnal experience is always interesting.
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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: minErval]
    #4149542 - 05/08/05 10:00 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"In my experience the I.violacea seed are active in doses higher then 120seed, with flower wines creating a dreamy sedated hallucinatory ..."

Flower wine - interesting. I didn't know that actually worked. Could you provide us with a recipe, and expound more upon the hallucinatory and other psychoactive effects achieved?
Would do wonders for me - I have vines blooming aplenty, but the pods severe off from the stem rather than producing seeds.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4149784 - 05/08/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If it's nausea your worried about just take a shot of pure lemon juice, it works great.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4149929 - 05/08/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

My Gf puked when she ate some HBWR seeds. But she didnt take much care in scraping the outer coating off. And i felt just nauses. Should have takin a shot of lemon.

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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4152226 - 05/09/05 02:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ate morning glories with 2 other friends. 2 of us puked one held it in. I ate about 6.3 grams they ate about 5.3 grams. The first one puked about 10 mins afterwards. He didn't get really any sort of buzz. I puked about 5 mins after him and I was set to go and felt better. The other one held it in and once the pukeing urge left we stayed the rest of the night just talking about shit and would go into our "elements" we would close our eyes and the one person would say the scenario and what was happening. Which was played very beautiful in our heads. Like me & the one that didn't puke beat the shit out of the one that didn't get buzzed for about half an hour in our heads.

I took morning glories 9 grams ground it up soaked in 80 proof vodka for about 3 weeks in the freezer. drained all the shit out of it drank the vodka and what i thought to be the alkaloid in riched slurry. Nothing happened bummer.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4152331 - 05/09/05 03:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

soaking the seeds in water for a couple hours then drinking the water basically eliminates nausea. one time tho I ate about 8 HBWR seeds raw and had an lsd like 'timeloop' trip. there was a fair bit of nausea but not enuf to puke. pretty strong shit


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: tryptonite]
    #4152626 - 05/09/05 09:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

re: wine
simply fill a jar with flowers, cover in red wine and let stand for 1-12hrs... then drink!!! (strain of course :wink: )
in my experience a hundred or so flowers helps, but as little as 30-40 will be fine. Very mild dreamy trippy visuals that are clean although somewhat 'drunken' thus the opiate sleepy effects...
To me it was like eating 200 seeds but cleaner...then again im pretty susceptible to such things.

Re: avatar, yes indeed that is a haul myself and two close friends can lay claim to.. although it was all purely horticultural. the speciemen was a 25yr+ blueing short spined peruvianoid and the trailor load was only 1/3rd of the mother plant...
yes i know
drool drool :wink:

it happens sometimes... i dont know how!
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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: minErval]
    #4152800 - 05/09/05 11:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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minErval said:
re: wine
simply fill a jar with flowers, cover in red wine and let stand for 1-12hrs... then drink!!! (strain of course :wink: )
in my experience a hundred or so flowers helps, but as little as 30-40 will be fine. Very mild dreamy trippy visuals that are clean although somewhat 'drunken' thus the opiate sleepy effects...
To me it was like eating 200 seeds but cleaner...then again im pretty susceptible to such things.





I'll be sure to give it a try;  seems rather wasteful not to, actually.  Question, though:  did you use only fresh flowers, or is it ok to accumulate them in a jar, until one is ready to have a glorious morning?  Did you steep petals only, or the whole flower, vegatative tip included?


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: stvip]
    #4158590 - 05/10/05 07:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i only steeped whole fresh flowers, no foliage..
Make sure you have identified the ipomea thoroughly as i believe some ipomea flowers (i.e not the fun ones) can have a laxative effect...
I have no idea as to whether accumulating them would work, i.e wether their would be significant degrading of the profile.
I was lucky enough to live somewhere where i.violacea flower and seed was an abundance, so i had no drama getting up in the moring and picking 50-60 flowers.
enjoy :wink:
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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: minErval]
    #4158698 - 05/10/05 08:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i really liek the flower wine idea sounds like fun!


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: whitegreyhat]
    #4218368 - 05/25/05 02:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This is based strictly on my own personal experience, in other words, I can't provide any hard clinical data to back this up. However, every time I've consumed morning glory seeds (with seed mass)I've experienced a laxative-type effect. This was mainly evident by an excess of gas, followed by diarrhea. I've come to call this the "ipomea diarrhea". (Piss off, I thought it was cute.) I've rarely consumed whole seed material and NOT had this effect. However, a simple cold water extraction seems to completely eliminate this when all pulp is removed from the liquid. I can't say if the same is true of flowers or vegetable material. However, I know an eskimo who has a couple baby Heavenly Blue plants, so perhaps I'll find out. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

--The above account is completely fictional, and is for informational purposes only. No innocent seeds, plants, or eskimos were harmed in the making of this post.


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: Wysefool]
    #7842605 - 01/07/08 10:15 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I'm confused....how can some people take hundreds of seeds while others only take 8?


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Re: LSA Thread. All input please. [Re: HeadFood]
    #7842620 - 01/07/08 10:20 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

It's because HBWR seeds are pretty strong and morning glory is really weak..


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