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How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?
    #4029247 - 04/08/05 01:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So this question got me thinking about this buzzy business of balance.

Even that is relative to how far down the rabbit hole you are.

If Jim Bob is 80 feet down the hole, 0 and 80 being the extremes for him, the balancing point for him will be at 40 feet. If Suzy Lu is 40 feet down the hole, 0 and 40 being her extremes, 20 feet will be here balancing point.

The funny thing I was seeing is that Suzy at 40 feels very unstable as its an extreme for her and not her balancing point. She is going to assume that Jim at 40 is also unstable and at an extreme where actually, 40 is Jims balancing point and 80 is where he feels like Suzy does at 40.


I just wanted to put this out there for anyones consideration for when people are judging others level of being balanced or think that there is some universal balancing point everyone should be at to be "stable or balanced". It's relative.

I look back at my own journey down the rabbit hole and think back to places where I use to feel wobbly and anxious to where, I can now toe dance blindfolded in them like its childs play.

I'm not advocating going so far down the hole you can't find your way back to a balancing point. I am not advocating hanging out in the extremes either. Balance is the place to be.

I am suggesting that we can and do shift our balance point as we explore into greater heights and depths of the self through pushing experiences to new places.

The ideal is, when feeling stable and at ease, to make a run and push to go further then the last time and then, return to the new balance point and stabilize again.

Mostly I just wanted to express the consideration that one persons idea of what is balanced is not the same place or point for another.

The idea of balancing positive and negative doesn't fly after a while because you can do that into infinitude with zero always being the balancing point, having to run further into the negative extremes to balance out every time you run further into the positive extremes.

There seems to be a place up the rabbit hole where the two opposing directions come together and move in the same direction as one cohesively. That's when the balancing point just becomes relative to the mid point of the journey.

It seems that even further up, something bizzaro happens with space time and you drag the balancing point up along with you as you go further. That place is not easy to be because there, your center can be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off from where anothers is and if you look to compare, you might get some serious vertigo.

This is one of those posts where you will either laugh relating to what I am talking about or be thinking, what the fuck is she talking about?

Actually, this shouldn't be difficult to understand. I'll use a sex analogy to relate the conscious expansion journey with. Most of you here are all guys so I will go this way with it.

The first time you get a girl alone and get her shirt off, it's an extreme in your sexual experience awakening. You are probably clumsy and anxious. 5 years later and many girls with shirts off, that territory is childs play and now with their pants off you are clumsy and anxious. 10 years later and many woman with shirts and pants off, the anxieties are gone, you are swift and smooth and there is just ease and excitement. 20 more years later and you are so at ease, you don't even bother with trying to be smooth and it takes a lot just to get you a little excited. See what happened to your sense of stability with yourself along the way?

You at 30 years up are stable where someone 5 years up is not. You can't take a 15 year old who hasn't even been with a topless girl and compare his center of feeling sexually stable with a 35 year old guy who has been with 50 women every way possible sexually. The 80 year old guy is like, "Again? I was going to drink some prune juice and take a nap. Get the Viagra."

Same goes with where people have been to in conscious/spiritual explorations and experience. There is no universal balancing point to bother comparing yourself to others with or to bother judging others with and thinking your center is where their center should be and if they aren't at yours they are off center. Maybe they are off yours but maybe they are not off theirs. :heart:


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4029336 - 04/08/05 02:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

How would 20 be Suzy's balancing point? Or is the rabbit hole relative to the individual... what defines lil Suzies extremes?

Nice post though, very creative.  :thumbup: :smile:

But, what makes you think that we all need balance? I tend to thrive on chaos... when a balance is achieved.. :shrug: I don't know what to do :lol:.

You can balance something of a static nature, you can balance a triple beam balance and weigh a dub relatively easily... as it doesn't change, it's a static weight..

How is it that we as humans should ever even endeavor, nor require to achieve a balance... a balancing act isn't for something as dynamic as a human being.

I dunno, I tend to think a balanced individual, is an individual hard-wired into a certain mindframe, with little in way of desiring to allow for new possibilities.

We could of course attempt to put a human mindset in terms of thermodynamics... in which case a balanced individual is one with little input into their system.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4030268 - 04/08/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If the furthest Suzy pushed herself to go to date was to 40 then that would be her extreme distance and the mid point place of 20 would be her most stable place.

Yes, it's all individually based as we all push ourselves to go further differently.

need balance? Balance is good and yet, like you said, some times we have to throw it off if we want to incorporate some new more and different into our lives. And yet, like I said, when we do that, a new center point of stabilization takes its place. It shifts as we shift around. That's why I say that one persons place of being stable is not necessarily where another person would feel stable.

By balance I mean, can you stand up now and again and walk gracefully or all you always clumsy and falling down? If you are then you are way off your center. Of course, when we venture out to experience something new, we may be clumsy and fall. We learn and grow stronger and bigger from those experiences too.

I liked what you wrote about the triple beam balance. That would sort of relate to where I said the two beams become one making 3 options really. I wish I could show the visual images I have for all this.

I see what your saying about a balanced person having a fixed point and how that is not ideal as to stay balanced they can't move from it. I was not suggesting that at ALL. I totally agree with you there. That was my point about one persons fixed center not being universal.

I was advocating moving away from the fixed point now an again to cover new ground. When you do that, your place of center moves also.

Here's a an easy example of that to understand. look at a hurricane. The bands are wild with chaos and instability. The wind bands knock everything "weak" loose so new stronger growth can occur. The center is extremely stable, calm and clear. A hurricane doesn't stay in one place. It moves around covering new ground and takes it's center with it.

The fixed center for one hurricane is NOT in the same location of another. That's like being a hurricane over the canary islands and telling everyone, to be in the calm stable center you have to be over the canary islands because that's where it is.

Uh uh. The center is in the middle of wherever you are. It's a relative thing is all I am saying. I brought it because i started seeing how people are comparing their center of stability to others and I don't see it like that. We each have one in a different location.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4030613 - 04/08/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: Yet not all of us are fixed.

Yet, the hurricane is constantly moving, as it's center in terms of it's oscillation and further the growth associated with it's lifetime.  Its balance isn't clearly defined till all the energy theirin is dissipated. A hurricane in and of itself, isn't prone to balance, hence why we are so clueless as to accurately predicting it's movements, and further it's creation. A hurricane is more akin to chaos, or if you prefer order on a higher level that we cannot distinguish.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4030918 - 04/08/05 03:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OK, I have a model that I invisioned while I was reading thru this that is very similar to the Hurricane model....  Instead I will use a HUGE spiraling spiderweb tightrope laying flat....  You start out in the center(where a light source is) with your balance stick being very short....  You are walking clockwise, and each full turn you make goes another foot away from the center, and your balance stick keeps you centered by growing a foot on each side....  Randomly, as you get ever so farther from your safe web center, something shakes the web and makes you struggle to maintain your balance, but that balancing stick is a good tool for that....  You also encounter solid "imaginary" walls - walls of "conditioning"....  The less strength you give these walls, the easier it is to make them disappear so you can continue down your path to the unknown....
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So now you get out to about 50 feet away from the center....  Your balancing stick is 100 feet long, the light is not really lighting your path anymore, but you know in your heart that there is more spiraling web to walk upon - call it faith....  So you venture even further knowing that there is no drop net, you can't see your path clearly, and you are not sure where it will lead - till you get "there".... 
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The challenge and the mystery of not "knowing" is what makes it "fun"....!  Perhaps when you get so far into the unknown, the balancing stick is no longer needed because you realize that you can make yourself a "set of wings" to fly....  Then the spiderweb is no longer a hinderance nor a set path for you, and finally freedom is attained.....?      :grin:  :thumbup:


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4031588 - 04/08/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

rabbit holes are like worm holes and some run through space that others bypass completely top and bottom could be 10 feet apart and the middle may run straight for thousands of miles in otherspace, like for alice.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4031748 - 04/08/05 06:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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rabbit holes are like worm holes and some run through space that others bypass completely top and bottom could be 10 feet apart and the middle may run straight for thousands of miles in otherspace, like for alice.




:yesnod: Vertigo!


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4032538 - 04/08/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Research has proven that just two bananas provide enough energy for a stenous 90-minute workout.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4032607 - 04/08/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I've always throught we should test the extreems, then go back to our comfortable ballenced point.
This let's us know where we are in the universe and how we play in it all...
We see the face of the Devine, but instead of becoming overwhelmed with this (like many mentally unstable people do) we go back to our center.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4032849 - 04/09/05 01:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Well she can burn in hell but I still feel guilty and it eats away at me every day, almost every hour, for the past two years.  TWO YEARS.  TWO YEARS spent in isolation from women, only the memories of the ridicule and the humiliation and yet somehow they came away from these things thinking it was me who was the jerk.  They think I was the jerk, and must feel "SKEeeved o0ut" and having been sexual with a jerk in the past..  and there's nothing that can be done to fix it..the rabbit hole or something balance spiritualitty and bullshitophy thank you jesus.




It seems you have some mental problems to work out before you shall be considered in a clear enough perspective to mirror reality, thereby understanding and knowing reality. If you are harboring negative thoughts and emotions over an experience that occured two years ago, only because of the reactions of another, and if you are allowing that experience to seperate yourself from women and the possibillities in the moment, then you need to let go. I'm surprised that something so insignfigant and meaningless "eats away" at yourself in such a manner (when actually it is only yourself causing this to happen).

You can't go back and "fix" this. You need to analyze the situation and come to terms with it, realize it for what it really is, and fucking forget about it. I'm glad that you have had a terrible experience, but I don't see how that justifies having no understanding of someone's post and reducing it to "rabbit hole or something balance spirituality thank you jesus".

It is the same manner that I reduce your post in a negative fashion into "i had sex with a fat bitch but she wasn't interested at first but i kicked her to the curb when she was interested and she bitched about me and now i'm too much of a little bitch to get over it and move on, listen to me whine, now i take my hurt and feel justified in putting down others' messages". Neither your message or mine that I just quoted added anything constructive to this thread. Both only spin more negativity into creation. How does it feel to have your expression reduced in such a destructive fashion?

I personally found her thread of interest and feel no need to put it down because I have my own problems that I am dealing with. It would seem a little immature for me to do so. :smirk:

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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4033081 - 04/09/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Spider webs are known for their tensile strength :tongue: (they're far more stable then one might choose to believe)

Even then, most webs are spun on a daily basis, so the balance isn't a stable one. The webs have symetry in respects to their location, but it isn't symettry, due to the lack of perfect symmetry exhibited in natural environments.

Beyond that good example :grin:

I like how you equate ignorance as fun... :thumbup: I meant that in all seriousness, I wouldn't go someplace, nor do something knowing full well the outcome of the event.


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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4033123 - 04/09/05 03:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

watched What The Bleep Do We Know a few weeks ago for the first time (really wanted to see it in the theaters while I was living in Seattle but always kept getting side tracked) and LO N' F'N BEHOLD my LSD hiatus since the summer of 2001 came to an end the very next day! (hadn't seen a drop of it since 2001)

the girl that gave me it was only 20yo, and when i watched her flippantly drop 7 hits of acid (had never had a REAL acid trip) I WAS FREAKED OUT, I was sure the girl was not ready to "go that far down the rabbit hole" because at that age I CERTAINLY WASN'T!!!! it turned out to be a lovely, lovely evening.

there was a period of a couple years i spent weekly dropping a couple miligrams of LSD, and I couldn't even hold a conversation w/ my parents. i'm sure it appeared I was a REEEEEEEEEEEEEALLLL asshole jabbering away about COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS when they were talking about my career plans (and maybe I was a real asshole!) after I made it independently on my own, and my mother didn't have to worry about paying my college bills (or bailing me out of jail, which she did twice) HER CONSCIOUSNESS EXPANDED (I would never have believed it!!!!) first she became a vegetarian and just yesterday she told me about receiving her Buddhist name (then she excersized, i mistook her and thought she said EXORCIST and joked about her vanquishing her Catholic "Holy Ghost" ------ the point being, her need to provide for me kept her Consciousness in check, she could only go so far down the rabbit hole with a dependent!



----- the hard thing to realize is not to judge people for where they're at in their stage of self development. people awaken at exactly the rate they're supposed to.


loved your post, a lot more i could say, but enough for now. thank you much.

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Re: How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #4033436 - 04/09/05 07:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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----- the hard thing to realize is not to judge people for where they're at in their stage of self development.  people awaken at exactly the rate they're supposed to.


CJ




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The other hard thing is to realize that you are judging people when you actually are, because often it makes you feel good or comfortable when you judge someone because by doing that you are putting yourself above that person.

So when you realize that you're mind is analising, judging and comparing (which is the hard part), just tell yourself "oh, lets not get into this thought pattern", and by doing that you put silence in your thoughts, and you just let it go.


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