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Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth.
    #4027648 - 04/07/05 05:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Colloidal silver appears to be a powerful, natural antibiotic and preventative against infections. Acting as a catalyst, it reportedly disables the enzyme that one-celled bacteria, viruses and fungi need for their oxygen metabolism. They suffocate without corresponding harm occurring to human enzymes or parts of the human body chemistry. The result is the destruction of disease-causing organisms in the body and in the food.
~source

Now I know it says it kills fungi too, but this isn't necessarily all fungi or bacteria, otherwise it would also kill the good bacteria in the body.(or maybe it does!) I'm curious if a colloidal silver solution would work synergistically with our favorite fungi, by killing off other bacteria and fungi, and possibly saving us contamination problems. It may however also kill our little friends, so I think this will be new experimentation territory. I think I may test it out on a few brown rice jars, and see what happens, and then report back my findings.

If anyone has any info to add to this, or any advice to aid me in my experiment, please post and add to the knowledge base of this thread.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4028079 - 04/07/05 07:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

awesome idea! i love the idea of hooking our little mushroom friends up with some sweet supplements.. i really enjoy feedin the myc in agar spirulina and nutritional yeast.. i tried dried kelp too, seemed to love it.. im trying an experiment right now with grain cooked with kombu.. cooking grains with seaweed add trace minerals and seem to do really good things for you.. i figured since the myc liked kelp maybe this would work well too..

!!please report your findings on collodial silver!!
collodial silver is amazing! it has definetly saved a life or two in its time.. i have a story where a lil pup i was taking care of had all kinds of worms and parasites.. we were traveling in mexico, she was a carribean dog, and when we finally got to a friends house in guadalajara the pup was not doing well at all.. she moaned and moaned all night long.. we fed her some dropperfulls of collodial silver and in less then 2 days she was a brand new pup! it was truly amazing...

questions about your collodial silver setup.. are you producing it? do you drink it yourself often? what kind of methods are you using to prepare it, thanks!


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: mattymonkey]
    #4031797 - 04/08/05 04:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well I haven't been growing the sacred mushroom for quite some time, but I'm just now planning out a brand new setup, I want something really advanced. So I'll begin my experiments then. :cheers:

I have access to the colloidal silver from someone I know who produces it. It costs pennies per quart, so I have a cheap supply of it to play with.

I am really interested in this amazing fungi, and I would love to help find new ways to improve its efficiency, potency, and overall find ways of aiding in it's continual evolution. :mushroom2:

Adding supplements or substances to help it grow or eliminate competing bacteria and fungi, will provide us with short term improvements in their growth, which is handy right now. The only possible draw backs I see are developing a weaker strain of the mushroom by giving it everything it needs. That's why someday I'd like to have a large setup where I introduce competing bacteria and fungus on purpose slowly, in a controlled setting, starting with weaker ones and generation after generation of taking the strongest strains, gradually introducing them to stronger and stronger competitors, to make a super strain.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4031833 - 04/08/05 05:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

interesting ideas.. good luck shaman :smile:


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Retired]
    #4032436 - 04/08/05 08:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Tradenmar said:
the world as we know it will be taken over by super mushrooms. use caution or were all DOOMED!!



I could think of worse fates for humankind. Cheers! :wink:


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4034183 - 04/09/05 12:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

before considering it, check here and do a little more searching...

http://www.silvermedicine.org/safety2.html

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4037929 - 04/10/05 05:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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before considering it, check here and do a little more searching...

http://www.silvermedicine.org/safety2.html



Ok thanks, but what about it?


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4083214 - 04/21/05 10:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ck out the link :wink:

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Data Derived from Materia Medicas

    * Silver Metal Poising Toxicity Symptomology

      Anti Psoric and possibly anti-sycotic
          o Direct effect on cartilages
          o Direct effect on nerves and nerve sheaths
          o Effects the brain/nervous system over time
                + gradually softens tissues
                + targets "intellectual" sections of the brain
                + Slight changes to voluntary systems ( undefined )
                + May affect reasoning abilities
                      # Physical symptoms of neck and back pain, and tearing pain throughout body
                      # Mental fatigue and restlessness with vertigo
                + Symptoms masked by coffee/caffeine intake
                + Symptoms temporarily relieved by exercise
                + Cold weather increases pain from Rheumatism
                + Increased joint pain
                + knotting of cartilage
          o Effects left testes and right ovaries ( hardening )
          o Mental and emotional excitement to the point of rage
          o Experience of shock sensations in the limbs upon going to sleep
          o Skin irritation, itching sensation that cannot be relieved
          o Painful tension in the throat
          o Gray mucus from throat and sinuses
          o Heart Palpitations while lying on the back

     

      The above describes metallic silver poisoning as a byproduct of homeopathic treatments for various disorders. This illustrates the great importance of proper particle sizing in colloidal silver. Of course, the above applies to Metallic Silver in general.

    In addition, metallic silver stimulates the body to eliminate other heavy metals. Acting as a chelating agent, heavy metals can be re-released into body tissues.

    Silver Metal comes in the following forms: Tablets, capsules, powders ( ground silver ), as well as compounds such as Silver Nitrate and other protein/salts.

    An Average DOSE of such substances can be as high as 5 mg daily. From the data on previous pages it is easy to see how silver poisoning can occur in a short period of time.

    Saccharum Lactis ( Lactose Sugar ) can be mixed with Metallic Silver in order to minimize the toxic effects of such large doses.

    * Argenti Oxidum ( Silver Oxide ) - no dangerous side effects discovered
    * Argenti Nitrus ( Silver Nitrate ) - Toxic ( Argyria, even explosive if added with vegetable oils) see above symptoms.
    * Argenti Iodidum ( Silver Iodide ) - Reportedly does not cause Argyria in large doses.

      Nitrates are extremely sensitive to organic matter and light. All silver salts are highly reactive with chlorides. Interestingly, dissolving in distilled water significantly lessens any reaction. Silver stains may be removed by scrubbing with Potassium Cyanide. The stains referred to are a result of the combination of silver salts with albumen, activated by light exposure.

      Continued and prolonged use of silver salts produces degeneration of tissues and organs, discoloration of skin, hemorrhaging, nervous system impairment, large scale paralysis, loss of coordination, convulsions, and death by respiratory failure due to paralysis.

      Potassium Iodide is recommended in conjunction with the silver salts to help prevent silver toxicity. Sodium Hyposulphite should be added to bath water to assist the body's elimination process.

      The information above is based almost exclusively on Silver Nitrate. If colloidal silver responded even partially like these compounds, there would be thousands of cases of silver poisoning, with more being diagnosed daily. The facts? Not one case of silver toxicity has been found due to isolated colloidal silver.

      In addition, the above data gives an excellent symptom baseline for those concerned with silver poisoning. For those who have been using colloidal silver for years, a simple mental inventory of one's physical condition would provide the necessary information to set one's mind at ease.





I'm not as adv. in Chem. as most of you guys, but i've been reading up on you're main  Thread
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It's good stuff....Even though I don't understand some of it, it helps brings things into prespective :thumbup:

Good luck on the tests, I have a bunch as well and lots of time on my hands :wink:

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4083907 - 04/22/05 03:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, but just make sure to read the whole thing, and not just the first part. Here's some noteworthy quotes from the same link:

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We are still in the process of checking the authenticity of the above symptoms for extreme silver poisoning. It should be understood, that it has likely been over 40 years since anyone has experienced silver toxicity to this degree.


However, the above data, if indeed accurate, gives us an extraordinary amount of knowledge. We found one reference that claimed that Argyria often first causes slight discoloration of the white of the eye.


A recent poll taken from over 200 participants has clearly demonstrated that even when used regularly for 2 - 5 years, no ill effects are experienced from using colloidal silver.
An independent researcher analyzed silver elimination vs. silver consumed, over a period of several months consuming roughly 2.34 mg of colloidal silver daily. His results clearly demonstrated that even larger amounts of colloidal silver used internally are WELL handled by the body's elimination system. This study will can be viewed by clicking following this link.

Another independent researcher, basing his study on a rabbit experiment, concluded that it would take about 13 gallons of 10 ppm colloidal silver to induce a toxic response, and this would have to be taken at one sitting.

In the event that for whatever reason, the body began to reach a toxic level of silver intake, it is easy to catch the first signs and thus avoid any serious effects, be they cosmetic or health oriented.

There are several people through the years that have made brief attempts to induce silver toxicity in their own body via properly made isolated colloidal silver, and we have never heard of a successful attempt, nor have we been able, in a DILIGENT search, to find one case of Argyria related to isolated colloidal silver.





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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4084084 - 04/22/05 06:56 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I read that as well, I was just trying to get his/her point across, But yea, the rest is as just important but i wasn't sure if you'd acually read it all :rolleyes:

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4084731 - 04/22/05 11:33 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

No worries. :rockon:


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4094239 - 04/25/05 05:17 AM (19 years, 28 days ago)

aaahh,  :eek: solid brick-of-text mindblock! :nut: can only process words with fewer than three syllables.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Mindzpore]
    #4456794 - 07/26/05 06:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you tested the colloidal silver in application with the growing of shrooms yet JaguarWarrior? I'm about to go out and buy a bottle and add it to the mix... I look forward to your super strain - muhhahaha


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4457989 - 07/26/05 11:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

just to let you know, some people can't "process" silver. if you are one of those people, it will end up in your skin like a tatoo. it is a rare condition, but has happened.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iateshaggy]
    #4459962 - 07/27/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No I haven't got around to testing it guys sorry, my project is on hold as I'm moving to a new place.

I ate shaggy,
Actually that is from taking too high a dose for an extended period of time. Silver has been used for ages without many incidents.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4460017 - 07/27/05 12:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'll try it and post....


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: curenado]
    #4460352 - 07/27/05 02:14 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i said it was rare.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iateshaggy]
    #4460619 - 07/27/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Our lovely friends, 'the medical industries' all over the world are doing everything they can to ban colloidal silver because of the 1 or 2 overdoses and intoxications in the past 100 years or so. It won't be long until they ban the sun for its harmful UV rays. You can understand however that it is not really the couple of deaths that motivates the industry to ban this stuff - the fear of something going wrong is just the common lever the industry uses to get the people on side. What the medical industry fear is all of these simple to make and access things getting into the world at large and wiping out their mega billion dollar enterprise.

Colloidal silver is a trace element that is a primal antioxidant. Its amazing that so much fear has been generated around it when only a couple people have ever had a problem with it. 99.9999% of users report nothing but complete acceptance of it. There can be problems when the makers of the colloidal silver are using dodgy equipment and the elements are too large but even still I am sure the damage is Nil to minute and not even worth mentioning.

What is the medical industries intention? Why are there known cures to things that are still hidden to the public? It makes me furious... it almost strips all compassion from me and makes me wish a sad death upon these folks in white coats. Its all about the dollars for these people.

Think about this... anything natural is called 'Alternative'. Excuse me mr, your chemical synthesis is alternative, not the other way around. Of course I could go on and on but its probably not very relevant and I need to position myself so that I can actually do something about it rather than fuming. In the meantime - consume lots of shrooms, build your personal magic powers and lets take these bitches out.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4460648 - 07/27/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and besides all of that... I look forward to your post Curenado. And thanks for the tip iateshaggy... I am gradually learning to let go of this seriousness I have and be more light hearted.

One night when I was on shrooms in the city I was conversing with the spirit demons behind our major institutions - medical, government, money etc. The ananarki were present with the reptiles and they captured my body and were resting me backwards into an operational position to do an interstella operation on me. I was hypnotised. I became savvy of their plan to take me out and I came to. Almost had some sort of etheric slicing laser beam rip me apart! After this, they said if I continue to live with grudges against the system they are going to assasinate me. Sure, its all in my head but I decided that it was this inner war raging inside of me that created this hallucination and that I no longer needed to goto battle everyday.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4462437 - 07/27/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I remember this colloidal silver shit....saw it on TV a few years back.  A bunch of companies were claiming it cures HIV and cancer :rolleyes:

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: guest23]
    #4462651 - 07/28/05 12:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Who wants a cure for cancer when there's billions to be made on the unsuspecting victim who has faith in the system? There's a million cures for cancer that are simple and effective. My girlfriend cured her cancer through meditation. Cancerous cells are little fellas that are disconnected from the overall intention of the body. They basically don't know what they are doing. You get cancer if you are living out of sync with the world or you are disconnected from your higher purpose. Its lifes way of bringing you on track.

The 'industry' however gets you to believe in these diseases that are fixed when infact they are nothing more then beacons or guides to bring you back on the path. So fear builds up around these things and guess what fear does? It creates disease. A nice little money making dynamic. Fear is a silly concept to your highest self because its fuel is division and ignorance. In your highest self you are the creator and you are one with the world that you are now creating.

I am now realising the goodness in the industry. Without the medical industry angering all us 'alternative' healers we would not rise up and begin expressing our truths so the medical industry, which I have up until now been against, is also our friend, just like cancer. Its allllll good.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4462680 - 07/28/05 12:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Contaminants are also our friends because they are helping us understand the mushroom more. Eventually we will arrive at a full understanding of the reality of the mushroom and contaminants will be a thing of the past. We will realise it is simple and a matter of giving the mushroom what it needs. I believe contaminants only arise to highlight a gap in our methods.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4464033 - 07/28/05 10:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

This is the Advanced Mycology forum, not Conspiracy Rant forum. I read and post here because I am interested in growing mushrooms, not because I am interested in reading about some paranoid conspiracy theory about drug companies.

Whether colloidal silver (or silver ions) could be of use in mushrooms cultivation is still untested, but anyone can search PubMed for colloidal silver* for medicinal use and read the abstracts. There are less than 50 relevant hits; it won't take long time to read them, but if you're impatient, there is little to no evidence that oral colloidal silver has any beneficial medicinal use.

The industry does not ban substances. Governments do. I am sure that is how it works in Australia too.

* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&cmd=Search

Edit: URL tag problems, probably a bug.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Pinback]
    #4464635 - 07/28/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Also if one was going to use it, I'd suggest having a machine to make your own or it could get expensive. I'm interested in the results of this experiment.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4465601 - 07/28/05 05:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Its not a confrontational forum either friend. I realise we have deviated from the pathway of talking purely advanced cultivation however this happens to be the flow of this thread and we must learn to allow things to evolve into what they will become. The use of colloidal silver would be a positive addition to my advanced technique and I am sharing a similar passion for these little silver ions so that a mini community possibly forms around its usage if infact, it is positively charged towards healthy cultivation. It has never been done before and it has probably not been done before because suspicion surrounds this stuff in the common mind, where people who use it are thought of as 'cracks'.

There is little to no evidence being provided through medical media like PubMed yet thousands of so called 'cracks' report it to be miraculous. Perhaps its just a placebo and if it is just a placebo effect where success is attained through colloidal silver then perhaps we are on the fringe of breaking through, realising the healing power of intention alone. Either way, a Medical Industry that has money placed before hearts on its priority chart will not want either of these things to come to light in the public eye. After saying all of this however...

You are correct in pulling me up, because lately I have been thinking about how this paranoia energy is serving me no more and it seems to create unnecessary burdens such as this one. I apologise for wasting your time and I will be more focused in the future.  :thumbup:


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #4467737 - 07/29/05 02:25 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well Iambobby, I appreciated your input and I started the thread.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4469408 - 07/29/05 02:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I seem to remember Prisoner#1 starting a post months ago on colloidal silver. I was interested in this idea as well as a possible alternative use in antibacterial agar. I never followed up on it because I'm moving around too much to start a new grow anytime soon. I think Pris was focusing more on the idea of using it in the substrate. I don't remember if there was any resolution from the post but he might be someone to ask. Maybe he reached his own conclusions through experimentation.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #5086330 - 12/20/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

24 hours ago 10 drops of 90ppm colloidial silver was applied to live mycelium on wood chips. At this time there is no visible macroscopic change in the specimen.
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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: iambobby]
    #5104500 - 12/25/05 10:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

>>>>Think about this... anything natural is called 'Alternative'

Haha, only if it makes it to a store shelf in it's natural form. But it's the pharm corps that send guys out into the rain forest to find this stuff. They then find a way to synthesize it so they can get a patent. If they can't synthesize it? It's garbage.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Rahz]
    #5111648 - 12/27/05 03:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, now I'm not scientist, but when that webpage for the silver poisoning has a HUGE banner at the top that reads....
"This document explores silver metal toxicity and silver poisoning. Much of the included information was acquired from "oldstyle" Materia Medicas. None of the information included in this document is directly or even closely related to isolated colloidal silver as we know it today."
I'm fairly confident that the are NOT talking about colloidal silver. Next time you guys try to bash something, at least read the first sentence of the article.
Now, on to the experiment. In about 2 weeks, I'm gonna spore out a creeper strain, and I'm gonna keep the spores in colloidal silver and inject the cakes with the silver/spore solution. I'll keep you guys updated on how it works. I'm thinking that if it doesn't kill the spores which I doubt it will, then we may see the end of contamination as we know it. I'll do 2 test subjects. I'll have it being super setrile like normal, and I'll do one being very unsterile to see if it really works. Again, 2 weeks till I try this, and it'll take at least 4-5 days till I see any mycilium growing, to give me any type of idea on whether or not it'll work.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5117781 - 12/29/05 02:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/111/case_reports/argyria/wadhera.html

Basically they don't know the specific doses that cause argyria, but they do know that while silver salts cause argyria more easily, colloidal silver can cause it.

Quite interesting though, the potential application to mycology. I just wonder if mycelium exposed to colloidal silver will have colloidal silver in the fruitbodies, or if they mycelium won't absorb it.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Qavl]
    #5118275 - 12/29/05 09:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm thinking it wouldn't matter if it had any silver or not in the bodies. Think about this logically for a second...... colloidal silver is what, 50-60ppm? We're talking each cake will have so little actual silver in it that if you condensed it, it wouldn't even look like a single piece of finely ground powder sugar. my parents make gallons of this stuff at a time, and after oh I'd say 200 gallons of the stuff being made, the silver plate/rod type thing they use to make it still looks brand new as if it hasn't been used for anything, let alone to have silver taken off of it. this gives you an idea at how little silver there really is... The big thing to remember about the amount of silver you are ingesting is that if you ever eat at anyones house, grandparents, parents, anyone with actual silver wear, you will eat more silver from your teeth scratching the silver wear than from colloidal silver, and that doesn't hurt you, so to even think that colloidal silver will hurt you is preposterous.

Now to answer your question. Yes, I'm sure that SOME of the silver will be in the mycelium, and possibly some in the body, but it will be so small of an amount, that it isn't even worth mentioning. The only way I can see silver being in the body and worth mentioning is if you use colloidal silver as your water source and fuel for the humidifier. If you use normal water or whatever kind of water you want, then it isn't even worth thinking about how much silver is in the cake let alone the fruit bodies.
hope this helped and you don't think I'm a crazy bastard for rambling on. I just am lucky to witness my parents making this stuff first hand. (no, they don't know I do the shrooms, but fuck 'em, I don't live with them either)

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5123569 - 12/30/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

ok first off Iambobby stop jacking threads and spreading your retarded logic. I am a scientist (Biochemist actually) and have been working with cancer for years. Meditation didn't cure your friends cancer thats like saying god cured it or the pope by blesising her body. And if you think we are not trying to cure cancer , you raving lunatic, your wrong we are looking into every possibility natural or synthetic as an industry. We have also come along ways in just a few short decades compared to the absolute stagnant alternative healers methods. The 3 and 5 year survival rates of people with cancer who use "drugs" vs people who use alternative healing speaks for itself.

anyways.

The collidal siver will definalty not concentrate in the fruitbodies anymore then it would in the vegatables you eat daily. There is really no danger from ingesting the "silver mushrooms". All plants have a trace amount of silver and various other chemicals like these;

Bromide, Fluoride, Silicon, Calcium, Nitrogen, Selenium, Phosphorus, Iodine, Chromium, Iron, Manganese, Titanium, Rubidium, Cobalt, Copper, Antimony, Molybdenum, Strontium, Zinc, Nickel, Tungsten, Scandium, Tin, Lanthanum, Yttrium, Barium, Gallium, Zirconium, Vanadium, Beryllium, Carbonate, Tellurium, Bismuth, Hafnium, Terbium, Europium, Samarium, Cerium, Cesium, Gold, Dysprosium, Holmium, Lutetium, Thulium, Erbium, Ytterbium, Neodymium, Praseodymium, Niobium, Tantalum, Thorium, Thallium, Rhenium

There is probly more silver in the poo we use than the collidal silver, since the grasses the livestock eat do absorb the trace metals from the enviroment.

It's probably gonna have no effect on the mushrooms at all but that is just my hypothsis please continue the experiment and let us know.


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: goofy98]
    #5124402 - 12/30/05 09:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

if you want to make mushrooms evolve more quickly, there's two things you can do, provided you have tons and tons of cakes to sacrifice in the pursuit of science

1) find a mutagenic source
2) select an adverse substance you want to strengthen shrooms against

Subject your cakes to the mutagenic source, to increase DNA changes.

Once they start to fruit, subject all your cakes to high concentrations of adverse substance.

Look for survivors, pick, print/clone, reproduce, repeat a couple of times until your shroom strain becomes fruitful from a multispore print inoculation, in the presence of a high concentration of said adverse substance.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: WormholeSurfer]
    #5126241 - 12/31/05 02:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

<<We have also come along ways in just a few short decades compared to the absolute stagnant alternative healers methods.>>

Hey Goofy ~ That's not actually true at all. Cancer Treatment Centers of America use a lot of what you term "alternative" methods and have a really good success rate. So do a lot of other reputable and successful institutions.

<<The 3 and 5 year survival rates of people with cancer who use "drugs" vs people who use alternative healing speaks for itself.>>

That's actually totally false. It does not speak for itself at all because those stats don't match either "drug" or "alternative" numbers. (?)
That all sounds like "industry" sales hype but I don't think the actual caregiver side (on either side or in the middle) would be comfy backing those two statements.

<<ok first off Iambobby stop jacking threads >>

U2 Dude! This thread is about colloidial silver and mushroom growth - not hyping the cancer - as you term it - "industry" or intentionally spreading bad misinformation that you can't back just because it's your personal grind.

No hate ~ it's just that for a "scientist" both of those statements were really not kosh at all....

<<I am a scientist (Biochemist actually>>
Can you back that up on the real? For who? Is your company where you get those funky numbers?
Also - Direct Care Physicians apply the alleged "cures" and would be in the best position to evaluate them I'd think....on the real.  :blush:


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: curenado]
    #5126333 - 12/31/05 02:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

interesting subject, let's keep on it shroomerites :thumbup:

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: goofy98]
    #5126639 - 12/31/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

goofy98 said:
There is really no danger from ingesting the "silver mushrooms". All plants have a trace amount of silver and various other chemicals




would you eat mushrooms grown on the sludge from a sewage treatment plant?
I'd be hesitant to use anything in my substrate that I feel would pose a
potential problem, I'd also advise others against it, people picking edible
and medicinal mushrooms are advised and advise others not to pick near
road sides and dumps since mushrooms generaly take up toxins that leach into
the soil

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There is probly more silver in the poo we use than the collidal silver, since the grasses the livestock eat do absorb the trace metals from the enviroment.




the trace elements are present true, but the problem comes when you're adding
more of these elements in much higher concentrations, testing done on solutions
containing colliodal silver has shown that even with the same brand the silver
content can vary greatly, anywhere from 15% to 125% of whats listed on the
labels, that makes using the product a bit riskier

products like nasal sprays that contained silver salts were pulled from the
market around the 1940's, as antibiotics started coming into use, as they were
removes incidents of silver poisoning and argyria have declined, with the
recent introduction of these new solutions it has started to rise again
personaly, I dont wish to be called papa smurf all my life


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5126693 - 12/31/05 04:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

very good work, prissy  :laugh: have a start for your star chart


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: shirley knott]
    #5126917 - 12/31/05 05:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I hag an ex with a blue father, he bought into a bunch of quackery

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    #5126948 - 12/31/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: shirley knott]
    #5143311 - 01/05/06 02:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

*FACT* you get more silver in your diet by eating with silverware than from colloidal silver.
ANd I dont ever recall hearing about someone turning blue from eating with silverware.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5143683 - 01/05/06 03:36 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry to continue the off topic, but since you present this as a fact, what is your credible source?

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Pinback]
    #5147149 - 01/06/06 02:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Here ya go.....

Commercial Product Report
Product Description
Date: 22 July 2003
Manufacturer: Utopia Silver
Product Name: Advanced Colloidal Silver
Product Type: Colloidal Silver
Concentration: 20 ppm
Container Size: 8 oz.
Container Material: Glass - Amber

Laboratory Analysis of Product

Conductivity: 9.4 uS/cm
Turbidity: 9.6 NTU
Color: Dark brown
pH: 6.78 +/- 0.01
Total Silver Concentration: 13.2 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm *
Ionic Silver Concentration: 3.6 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm
Silver Particle Concentration: 9.6 ppm
Percent Ionic: 27.3 %
Percent Particles: 72.7 %
Particle Surface Area: 12.20 cm2/mL
Particle Size Distribution: Complete Size Report
Zeta Potential: Complete Zeta Report

Notes:

* Total silver measured is 66.0% of labeled value.

Product sample marked with lot number 0306032.


Then you can read the 157 page toxology report done by the government. Basically stating how much silver you get exposed to by everything, breathing, eating, drinking, wearing jewelery, etc....
There was a high of 12GRAMS of exposure if you process film... WOW...
It basically also shows that mineral water has 100ppm silver in it, whereas colloidal silver has 20ppm.. thus 5 times less concentrated than mineral water...
Again, SAFE TO USE...

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5148481 - 01/06/06 06:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Your post did not include a source at all, and you also made a very odd statement, namely that mineral water has 100 ppm of silver. This is easy to check and plain wrong. In fact, in a peer reviewed paper 37 brands of mineral water was analyzed for minerals - not in a single brand was the silver content above the detection limit at 4.2 ug/l (4.2 ppb)!

There is to my knowledge no evidence that colloidal silver has any beneficial medicinal use.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Pinback]
    #5158792 - 01/09/06 03:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I dont care about medical use... I'm just wanting to do an experiment to see if it will kill the spores and if it doesn't, will it keep contams down.... whether or not you want to drink the stuff is irrelevent.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5259749 - 02/03/06 03:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

bump for my experiment.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5260030 - 02/03/06 05:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This may kill some bacteria and that would be swell, but what about contams fungal in nature? If it killed them, would it also kill your fungi? Or will it only kill lower fungi, not basidiomycota? Does anyone know?


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: mycogirl]
    #5269178 - 02/06/06 11:52 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Thats why I'm doing my experiment. Look on the first page here for "Pete's colloidal silver experiment"

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5270763 - 02/06/06 06:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Watch your source, I'll be betting you won't be wanting any "silver protein" (it's presence or otherwise is dependent on the production method). Maybe you could try a "multi-mineral" colloid too ?
According to one American colloid company "True colloidal silver is produced using pure elemental silver, deoinized water and a power "electromagnetic" source. The result is a solution of silver particles of sizes from 1-100 nanometres. Smaller particles mean more surface area which means more effectiveness. "Silver protien" is a non-scientific term referring to silver particles suspended in gelatin instead of pure deionized water. The process to produce "silver protien" results in silver particles ranging from 1000 to 10,000 nanometres in size. This equates to less surface area per particle resulting in the need for higher concentrations of silver (ppm = parts per million) in "silver protein" products".


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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #6030404 - 09/05/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Also if one was going to use it, I'd suggest having a machine to make your own or it could get expensive. I'm interested in the results of this experiment.




Colliodal silver is the shit, down with the haters. youd have to drink alot to even get close to poisoning. which would be expensive.... unless you could indeed make your own...
http://www.keelynet.com/biology/colloid.htm

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Omnicracker]
    #6031329 - 09/05/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Way to bump an old crackpot thread that never went anywhere...

I'm assuming that the colloidal silver crackpots either died from silver poisoning or the "men in black" came and shut them down to prevent their amazing discoveries from destroying the military-industrial complex.

Just FYI, people *have* been poisoned by homemade colloidal silver...

Argyria secondary to ingestion of homemade silver solution.
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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: fastfred]
    #6032634 - 09/05/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry about the grave digging, i could have sworn....
anyway...
people *have* been poisoned by homemade birthday cakes too. so i guess we should scratch those too.

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Re: Colloidal Silver, would it aid or hinder mushroom growth. [Re: Omnicracker]
    #6048962 - 09/11/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As long as the cask has already been opened we might as well poke around a little bit and try to figure out what happened...

What does everyone think? Men in black or silver poisioning?


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