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New to using grain. Rice a good start???
    #4025607 - 04/07/05 11:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So, I've done the BRF/Verm/Water jars with aluminum foil lids, steamed for sterilization.

I've got a pressure cooker but no jar holder!! Can anyone sugguest a subsitute?? Or a place that might be good for getting pressure cooker equiptment?? 

SO, the question.  I just got done reading the 9er TEK, and I like how it's simple and seems easy as hell to use.  Would this be a good start for grains??  I tried the elbow noodle tek.. ugh!! so i'm nervous to switch from the regular MMGG's BRF meathod.  Has anyone used this way with succuess???  I'm thinking about B+ and Cambodian ( with previous experiance in PESA, Puerto Rican and Treasure Coast ((on BRF)) ), would these be a good pick for such a setup??

A TYVEK question for you guys too.  Since I've always used aluminum foil lids, I'm also a bit nervous to switch over to the widely used Tyvek/Screw Top meathod.  I've heard that your grain dries out too quickly.  Some have sugguested using duct tape to seal up 1/2 of the top, and some sugguest to just cut a large hole in the top of the lid, and screwing the tyvek under that before sterilization.  Can you point me towards a good way to do this?? 

Thanks for all your help as usual! You guys rock my socks.  :crazy2:

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025619 - 04/07/05 12:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

9er tek is great, but it's labor intensive. Getting the moisture just right is a bit harder than working with WBS in my experience. Simmering the rice just right is pretty tough, I have to use a diffuser plate because the lowest setting on my stove is too high.

You need 4 inoculation points for this tek, so rigging up tyvek/Polyfill will mean you have to add 4 points in the equation, not just one or two. Or be creative about how you squirt from one point.

Are you planning on fruiting this directly, or are you looking to spawn to bulk?


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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025628 - 04/07/05 12:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

As far as the jar holder for your PC, you can throw a handtowel in the bottom.  Works great...  GL bro :stoned:


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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
    #4025638 - 04/07/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm planning on doing the casing that is described in the 9er TEK. WBS huh. Would this work fine with 1/2 PT Jars or would I have to go larger?? I've got a few that are larger... but probably 52, 1/2pts in all.

Can you point me towards a good WBS TEK?? A link perhaps??

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025645 - 04/07/05 12:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025647 - 04/07/05 12:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

forget about rice unless thats all you can aquire. if you have a pc go and get yourself some rye or wbs. that's my opinion.

i've never used tyvek. i like using metal lids with only 1 finishing nail size hole in the top. a syringe needle passes thru this hole for liquid culture transfer. give it a good shake (i put a cotton swab dipped in alcohol over the hole while i shake). put your jar in a box and lay a sheet of foil over all of your prepared jars. It works for me and the lids come with the jars.
i have ample access to tyvek. it just seems like alot of waisted effort and i think ppl use it because they dont have anything better to do. I've learned the hard way you can over complicate your mushroom growing. keep it simple and and sterile and let it sit. you'll get good results.


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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025650 - 04/07/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
    #4025657 - 04/07/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

EXCELLENT! I've just been converted!!! Thank you guys!!!! I'm doing the WBS TEK for sure.

Good omens to you all

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025668 - 04/07/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What if.............. the majority of my jars are 1/2 PT?? Can I still use the WBS TEK???

or........is this just a stupid question?? And the answer is .... ALL JARS WORK YOU FOOL!!!

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025674 - 04/07/05 12:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

sure you can it just means having to load twice as many jars as pint jars


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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: brewwhaha1]
    #4025691 - 04/07/05 12:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

alrighty then! Let the journey start

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025698 - 04/07/05 12:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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What if.............. the majority of my jars are 1/2 PT?? Can I still use the WBS TEK???




Not really

You need to be able to shake the jars.

Get some Quart jars!~

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4025777 - 04/07/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

DAMN all the complications! Ok.. so go with QT jars. Yay.. another trip to the store! Wee!!!!! No seriously, thanks for the help. I desperately need it. I'm planning a camping trip on the Oregon coast with a bunch of friends this summer.. I'd like to give em' a few nice "party favors".

Plus, I've heard that shrooms grow larger, and are more potent when grown on grain, rather than BRF.. is this true also??

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025864 - 04/07/05 01:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yw

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Plus, I've heard that shrooms grow larger, and are more potent when grown on grain, rather than BRF.. is this true also??




true

unless you spawn(mix) some BRF/Verm with pasturized horse poo...then you get some potent shrooms.

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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025878 - 04/07/05 01:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Badda bing!!!

Prepping the grain and jars.

1. First thing I do is put one cup of rye in each jar.

2. Put in enough water for the soaking. I like to soak for 24 hrs. Notice the difference in the color of the water after 24 hrs. Bacteria spores have started to germinate. This is the reason we soak the grain. Many believe that this is where water is added but this is not true. We are germinating the bacteria endo spores because they can survive a PC if we don?t.

3. I pour out the water and fill and shake and pour that out. Put in a pot and the water is ready to simmer for 45 min. During the simmer is when the water is added to the grain

4. Simmer the grain and then rinse with water. I like to pour 6 gallons threw the grain. (no reason for 6 it?s just a me thing) The grain is ready to be put into jars and PCd.

5. Put 2 hole?s in the jar lids. One is a breather and one is for the syringe needle. Put a piece of tyvek over the top add the ring and some foil and your ready to PC. Be sure to leave room in the jars to shake the grain

6. Load the PC and pc for 1 hour at 15 psi. Here is a finished jar.

Now your ready for the next step.

Incubator set up.

1. First thing get your bottom tub and put in your heater. I also add a water pump to mix the water that way it heats up much more evenly but it isn?t a necessary item. I got the tape from a boat shop and it has been working for some time. Good stuff for underwater.

2. Next put something (I used tall half pints) in each corner of the tub. This will keep the heater and pump safe from being smashed if I put in to many jars or do something stupid.

3. Now be sure to set the heater before you put on the top tub. I attach the top tub with zip ties cause the top tub will want to float.

4. Add the water. I like to add as much water as I can before it starts to spill out.

5. If you use the heaters with the external controls set them now to get ready for the jars. Mine use a dial and a sensor that gives the temp inside the chamber rather then the water. It also has a metal bulb rather then a glass one.


6. Finished

Inoculation

1. First get your work area ready.

2. One of the reasons I like tyvek is cause you can write on it.

3. I like to heat the needle tip then cool it with a alcohol wipe.

4. Inoculate the grain. I like to use 2.5 cc per quart.

5. I like to cover the inoculation hole with a band-aid. I like em cause they come sterile.

6. Shake up the jars real good and put em in a 82 F ? 27.7C to 86F ? 30C incubator.

7. I like to shake the jars again when they are about 25% colonized then once more at about 50% to 75% done.

The waiting game.

1. This is the hard part, the waiting game. Here is a jar 3 ? days after being shot up.
Few days later

The first part of the waiting game is over time to get the casing mix together.

1. Well it?s been exactly 9 days and the jars are done. Time to get the casing supplies.
2. I like coco coir and verm mix. Be sure you get coir and not fiber. Coir is on the left and fiber is on the right. Coir in the package. Verm can be found all over the place and looks like this.
3. Add water to the coir as the directions say. Here is a brick. Here is one with 4 quarts of water added.
4. Prepare your verm. I just put it in a jar and fill it let it soak, drain then add to a pot.
5. Now mix (I used 2 parts coir to 1 part verm). Here it is when mixed.
6. Put the mix into jars (I just use the grain jars) and pc for 1 ? hrs at 15 psi. (Once again just something I do)


Making the casing.

1. I like to pc everything. I pc the casing layer, the casing containers, the foil that goes over the top, and the spoons and forks I use to do the work.
2. I like to do the work of putting the casing together in a walk in closest that I have. I spray the shit out of the air with oust and wait a few minutes then start the work. (With a face mask)
3. I pour a little (about a half inch) of the casing layer into the container.
4. Now scoop the myc out of your jar and put it in the container on top of the bottom casing layer that you put in. Once you have the amount of colonized substrate (these casings will be 1 quart each) that you want to use even it out so it?s nice and flat on top.
5. Now add the top casing layer. (In this case ? to ? inch of casing layer) A good rule of thumb is a top casing layer ? as thick as the substrate layer.
6. Now cover (I like to use foil) and put into the incubator. Usually this last 4 to 7 days. A finished casing should look a little like this (I suggest covering the sides of clear containers to prevent side pinning. These will be left uncovered for pictures used in this post)


Time to put the casings in the chamber.

1. When the myc starts to break the casing surface is when I like to put them in the chamber . Lots of people like to patch at this time. Myself I?ve never been one for patching so in the chamber they go.
2. I like to use the tent style chamber that uses the cool mist running all the time and a ultrasonic that comes on every few hours for so many minutes.
3. This is a Martha Stewart closet and hose set up.
This is a Martha Stewart closet and hose set up.

in the box


I use the ultrasonic and cool mist. Very firm believer in air exchange.

In the electrical Dept of the hardware store I find these. and on the ultrasonic Now on the back of the closet I cut the holes for the hose fittings and put tape over them and cut holes threw the tape for the fittings. The reason for the tape is to give the closet plastic a little extra strength when holding the hose weight. The outlet for the ultrasonic goes above the cool mist outlet that way the mist from the ultrasonic drops into the air stream of the cool mist and mixes better.

4. Now that the casings are in the chamber it?s time to wait for pinning.
5. If the coir starts to get a little lighter in color it may be starting to get dry. Now is a good time to mist them with some sterile water, it?s safe to mist up to the point of pinning.

Well it's been a week and pinning has started.

A few days later

Well some of the veils are starting to tear so it'a time to think about harvesting and taking prints

1. Harvesting is easy. Just be sure to remove the whole shroom and leave none behind to rot on the casing.
2. Cover the spots that show cause of the picked shrooms with casing material and spray it down real good with the water H202 mix.
3. If you dunk your casings now would be the time.

Now I suggest you take your own prints to use

Well this is how I like to do it. I like to get my foil ready like this That way when the print is done you have these flaps to fold over.

I then get a half pint jar (wide mouth) and prepare it like this. I ditch the disk and silicone in a tyvek disk. This will allow the cap to dry a little as sits in the jar. (Which causes more spores to drop and prevents the cap from rotting. Will also allow the prints to dry once the mushroom cap is removed.)

Next put in the foil and cover with the lid. Put some foil on top and pc for one hour at 15 psi.

Now uncover and wipe off and your little print chamber is ready.

Now take the jar to your mushroom chamber and loosen the top but don?t remove it.

I like to put a pin in each of the mushroom caps I?m going to print.

Cut the shroom just below the cap and put it on the foil in the jar as fast as you can. Easy to do since the jar lid is loose.

Put it in a glovebox or where you like to do your work.

In 24 hrs open up and take out the cap by the pin (now we know what the pin is for) and put the cap back on. Let it sit for 24 hrs again to let the spores dry.

Once dry fold up foil and store in a cool dry place

I hate to clean my print foil with alcohol.


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Re: New to using grain. Rice a good start??? [Re: Sammy]
    #4025906 - 04/07/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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DAMN all the complications!





this is why it is important to do lots of research-
because there are many different methods that require various tools and supplies.
when people get really excited, they'll have a tendency to go nuts making accomodations for the 300 cakes they're going to grow.
very easy way to wind up with BAGS of perlite,
pounds of brown rice flour,
and hundreds of half pints.

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    #4025959 - 04/07/05 01:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

damn magash, thats a start to finish right there!

sammy, if your PCing halfpints try a couple jars w/ 35ml water and 70ml wbs, pc'd and noced and see how they do

that figured out to be perfect for me so i no lnoger have to soak and simmer

just make sure you shake the shit out of them as soon as the PC drops pressure and the lid can be removed

i usually shake twice to make sure there is no clumping or wetspots, GL


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