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OfflineJCoke
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why do bad things happen to good people?
    #4022475 - 04/06/05 07:06 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

any takers?

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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4022494 - 04/06/05 07:10 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

(cross post by me)
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"Things" happen to everyone - "good or bad" people(which is perception).... It is the perspective of one's perception that make it "good or bad".... It's all a choice....  :wink:  :heart:


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4022500 - 04/06/05 07:11 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I replyed to this in the other thread.

Any way bad is a judgement call. Many seemingly bad events in retrospect turn out to be for the best.

And life being a polarity of light and dark, you would get some of both.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4022501 - 04/06/05 07:12 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

"bad thing" and "good person" are relative terms.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4022511 - 04/06/05 07:14 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I think it's because there are more bad people out there in the world doing bad things to other people then there are good people doing good things for others.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: Dragonaut]
    #4022520 - 04/06/05 07:16 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Only one way to change that....  "Be the change you want to see..."  (I don't know who said this....)


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4022550 - 04/06/05 07:22 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

If no bad things happened there would be no need to be good you would not fear the consequences of being bad. Also to help others is good if nothing bad happened there would be no one to help.
Good cannot exist w/o bad they are 2 sides to the same coin.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: scribble]
    #4022628 - 04/06/05 07:41 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

It has nothing to deal with good or bad. It has nothing to do with saving and serving a powerful entity that is suggested exists.

It has to do with reality.

Why does a species of carnivores slowly lose its population when a better species of carnivores takes over the hunting grounds and prey? Is it a work of God? Is it because the former less adapted species was "bad"? Is the species that ousted the former species going to hell, and the species that last the resource war going to heaven for being meek? (how far are we to apply heaven and hell... are animals, and for that matter plants to engage in heaven as well?)

**It's better at killing then the former species prey, and perhaps the other species. Is it better, is it justified to the extent that just because it is better at eliminating the competition that it is "good"? :shrug:

It's a consequence of limitations of resources. It's a consequence of the uncertainty of our lives, we look to god/s to sustain ourselves that indeed, it'll get better over time. We suggest that it is a test of sorts, a machination of evil in one form or another fucking up our lives. We do this to assert what little control we indeed really have in respects to the extent and quality of our lives, such that some choose to use an outside source to provide stability... really it's just natural progression of events caused by external influences and strain on an environment.

Now the fact that we are human, and propose ourselves to be rational should stop this problem, as we are higher then animals. Or so we suggest.

My $0.02.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4022629 - 04/06/05 07:41 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Because good and bad are completely subjective.

And there's no referee keeping track of Universal events.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4022680 - 04/06/05 07:57 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

JCoke said:
any takers?

:popcorn:




they don't.. :P

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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: moog]
    #4022766 - 04/06/05 08:14 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

God don't know the difference between good and evil...


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: scribble]
    #4022951 - 04/06/05 08:53 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

scribble said:
If no bad things happened there would be no need to be good you would not fear the consequences of being bad. Also to help others is good if nothing bad happened there would be no one to help.
Good cannot exist w/o bad they are 2 sides to the same coin.



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If everyone was "good", there would be no fear, thus no "bad"....  So here, we could turn "good" into "humilitous", and then there is no "good or bad"....  :shrug:
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You can say that an accident is "bad", or you can say it is "severe"....  Either way, it is still an accident....  :wink:    :heart:
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Perspective/Perception....  Perhaps the good and bad both are part of personal "judgement" - and is really neither.... 


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4023465 - 04/06/05 10:39 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Believe me, bad things happen to bad people, too. In my opinion, bad people are just more inclined to take a bad route to success. Think of it this way. I think being a bad person is worse than being a good person and having small bad things happen to you. It is much more desirable to be a good person who experiences minor setbacks than it is to be a bad person who gets fucked in the end.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4023484 - 04/06/05 10:43 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Because there's no difference between good or bad besides the judgement you place on other people. Good things, bad things, one could be regarded as the other by different egos, just as good people and bad people can be regarded as different by varying egos.

Those who consider themselves purely good are delusional, and those who consider themselves bad are flattering themselves. Neither exists except in the presumptions we give to the terms.

This universe has variation and chaos, and nothing in it is black and white. Nothing in it is even grey unless we regard it as such.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4023497 - 04/06/05 10:46 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

God don't know the difference between good and evil...

God is morally retarded?  :confused:


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: Ravus]
    #4023519 - 04/06/05 10:49 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Those who consider themselves purely good are delusional



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Interesting that you put a "blanket" judgement on everyone's intentions before "knowing" everyone.... 

It is ok friend, I forgive you....  :wink:  :heart:


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4023833 - 04/07/05 12:07 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Using perceptual logic, it is impossible to fit those criteria, so it wouldn't be so much a blanket judgement as a logical conclusion. I wouldn't say that no particle can exceed the speed of light is a blanket judgement of particles, simply what we've perceived and logically concluded in this cosmos.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: Ravus]
    #4023910 - 04/07/05 12:20 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

To reach the speed of light, a particle(which just may very well be slowed down energy) reaches the speed of light perhaps by becoming light energy itself....  That may be a theory already(?), but I just wrote it off the top of my head....  E=MC?...=...M=E?C?....?  :sun:


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4024174 - 04/07/05 01:22 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

"bad things"
This could be interpreted many ways.

My personal take is bad things happen but they are not really bad. Ok, so it sucks having 3 grandparents die of cancer, breaking an arm, getting a hook through your finger, becoming a vegetable from a horrible accident. But all these things touch on a different subject.

I would like to break 'bad' into 3 categories, physical, mental, and spiritual.

So why do bad physical things happen? Why do people get struck by lightening, and get hit by busses, and get shot up at the supermarket brutally? because it is the way of the world. Evil exists, and so it will happen. It is random, or maybe you even got yourself into a situation that caused it. All self blame aside, 'random bad things' happen because that is World and human nature. Shit happens!

Why do 'bad' mental things happen? Why do people go brain dead and why is the psychology and medical department growing vastly in its diagnosis and treatment of 'mental' disorders? Well, my take on this is somewhat the same as physical. Part of it could be random chance, the chaos of Nature. But your mind is your sanctum, YOU control and influence the vast majority of thoughts and feelings. my take is bad mental things happen because a person let them happen. All genetic arguments aside for disorders like Add and autism, I think that this is an area we have great control over to stop bad things from happening.

Why do bad 'spiritual' things happen? Why do peoples souls go cold, forsaking any faith and falling to sole ego theory? I would say this is an area each person has control of. In the face of ultimate physical and mental loss, you are left with your spirit. If you have the will to endure- so you shall.


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Re: why do bad things happen to good people? [Re: JCoke]
    #4024197 - 04/07/05 01:28 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

because there is no magical divine force governing things.

also, this just in. santa claus isn't real!


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