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Another stupid potency question
    #4020931 - 04/06/05 11:28 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

my cat has grown with brf and verm for awhile, using B+ strain, she finds that the mushrooms are lacking in potency compaired to the local ones I sometimes get. she usually just cases with normal verm.

Would perhaps a grain grow be better? she has maybe 5 lbs of Rye grain that I could use. Also she is wondering, is there a differance in potency when spawned with poo? or even cased with poo?


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4020948 - 04/06/05 11:33 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

yes there is a big difference in potency when you spawn to poo.

poo would be considered...a bulk substrate.

its not a casing material.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Roadkill]
    #4020978 - 04/06/05 11:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Oh my bad, I read one of my previous posts wrong, as people talked about their casings with poo I thought maybe they cased em with poo and verm or something. Ok, so I go buy a bag of dry poo at teh store, should I mix this with verm? or rye grain? or brf? how would I make a spawn bag with poo? just poo and straw?


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4020994 - 04/06/05 11:47 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Example:

you would colonize some jars of substrate...BRF/Verm, Rye, WBS, Popcorn, Millet...etc.

pasturize some horse poo...preferably aged from the field.

then spawn(mix) the colonized jars in with the pasturized horse poo.

check out the Horse poo tek pictorial

there are many different teks and ways to do bulk grows.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Roadkill]
    #4021008 - 04/06/05 11:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

would store bought poo work? the stuff used as fertalizer? here in the city theres not many horses.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021014 - 04/06/05 11:53 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

most store bought manure isn't very good.

you can try and do a search...some people found a few good brands over the years.

I use aged horse poo from my Uncle's horses.

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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Roadkill]
    #4021021 - 04/06/05 11:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

alot of smell involved? why do you use aged instead of more fresh?


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021033 - 04/06/05 11:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If h/poo is weathered & dried ... smells like healthy garden soil.

Fresh h/poo has ammonia content toxic to myc. :thumbdown:


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021034 - 04/06/05 11:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

the smell of aged horse poo, cooking is very Earthy...doesn't smell like shit at all.

use aged horse poo...because fresh has urine and ammonia in it.

fresh poo needs to be leached and dried.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021035 - 04/06/05 11:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: psilocyben]
    #4021037 - 04/06/05 11:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

lmfaooooo @ the triple header post!~


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021048 - 04/06/05 12:03 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Because aged is better...urine leeched out of the poo and it composts and breaks down into usuable nutrients for the mushroms.

Store bought manure, is usually cow..and according to agar, king of being full of shit...that stuff comes from cows that are often fed lots of salt, to bulk them up for slaughtering. And I've heard that the stuff in the store is to broken down (nute wise) to use for shrooms..just like "Mushroom Compost" from home depot and the like (just spent mushroom substrate composted down)..those things are all great for plants..the more broke down the better..but for shrooms, its a bit different.

As RK said though, people have used it successufully. Knowing all I just said about it, I still bought a bag of dehydrated cow shit from Home Depot a few days ago. I'll have some extras spawn soon so it will be an experiment..this stuff comes from a fairly local source according to the bad so we'll see. I'll be using up the dried fresh horsey poo first though for my good stuff :smile:


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Roadkill]
    #4021051 - 04/06/05 12:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

haha, well I appreciate all these answeres. I do have one more question, if you were to compair potency of Verm+BRF cased with Verm, and brf +verm cased with poo, what percentage of differance would you think there would be potency wise? 50% more potent? 100% more potent?


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Roadkill]
    #4021057 - 04/06/05 12:07 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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lmfaooooo @ the triple header post!~




HAHA...quadruple now! Wow...we have no life..


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4021062 - 04/06/05 12:07 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I understand now, makes things much more complicated though. Is there a certain kind that might still be good? like should I look for something particular on the bag? I'm also lookin into one of our sponsors, the high mountain compost, it looks like it would do the job, anyone have any expeirence with it?


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021064 - 04/06/05 12:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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haha, well I appreciate all these answeres. I do have one more question, if you were to compair potency of Verm+BRF cased with Verm, and brf +verm cased with poo, what percentage of differance would you think there would be potency wise? 50% more potent? 100% more potent?




My opinion only. Higher N ratio of poo based sub's gives you 300% + potency factor over cake mix. Cake mixes lack high N ratio.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4021070 - 04/06/05 12:09 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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lmfaooooo @ the triple header post!~




HAHA...quadruple now! Wow...we have no life..




Mycology is a good life.


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: Just_a_Shadow]
    #4021076 - 04/06/05 12:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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haha, well I appreciate all these answeres. I do have one more question, if you were to compair potency of Verm+BRF cased with Verm, and brf +verm cased with poo, what percentage of differance would you think there would be potency wise? 50% more potent? 100% more potent?




Verm is a terrible casing layer material by itself...IMHO.

you don't case BRF/Verm cakes with poo.
you spawn(mix) BRF/Verm cakes(or other types of colonized grain's) in with pasturized poo...this is called a a bulk substrate...after the bulk substrate is fully colonized you would put a casing layer on top.

there are some good casing teks...look  here!~

The potency is greatly increased...I'm not gonna guess on how much.
:smile:

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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: agar]
    #4021080 - 04/06/05 12:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It is a good life...I just wish i could drive by a wall-mart without buying 25 lbs of WBS when i have a 50 pounder sitting in my living room :smirk:


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Re: Another stupid potency question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4021082 - 04/06/05 12:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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As RK said though, people have used it successufully. Knowing all I just said about it, I still bought a bag of dehydrated cow shit from Home Depot a few days ago. I'll have some extras spawn soon so it will be an experiment..this stuff comes from a fairly local source according to the bad so we'll see. I'll be using up the dried fresh horsey poo first though for my good stuff :smile:




maybe i can find a pic of the Home Depot brand comp. cow manure results after weeks of colonizing. it will be a a couple hours, though. if this thread is not still up, look for heading "Home Depot Brand Manure Results" Scat. will explain growth parameters too.

you'll see why the tennstud log project began.


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