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OfflinePhluck
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The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special.
    #4020401 - 04/06/05 06:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

When I was 14 or so, I remember thinking how everyone was brainwashed. Nobody was thinking critically other than a select, persecuted few.

What I've realized now is, nobody was thinking critically and coming to the exact same conclusions. It's a bizarre assumption to think that if everyone questioned what was happening around them, they'd end up thinking just like you. I see this kind of thinking a lot around here. Like, "maybe if you took some mushrooms you wouldn't think like that", or "*sarcastically* shh, don't say that, haven't THEY told you that critical thinking is wrong?".

Critical thinking and skepticism have been around for thousands of years, and we've had tons of famous thinkers over the course of history that have introduced new, challenging, and innovative ideas.

What's really lacking isn't the ability to question the ideas that others have, even though that is crucial, it's the ability to question OUR OWN ideas that people are missing. Tons of us lack the ability to self criticize, as soon as they attach themselves to their idea, they refuse to thoughoughly examine it for errors, and often ignore the errors when they do become apparent. When looking for more information, they look for information that backs them up, and ignore the stuff that refutes what they say. I'm certainly guilty of this, and anyone who says they aren't is probably in denial.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4020433 - 04/06/05 06:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely, this became painfully clear once when I was finding what I considered wonderful relevations being touched upon in random talks by random people all around me, even children. It become obvious then that we are all indeed in the same boat.

It is also important, as you touched upon, to not become attached to the words with which we've come to describe an experience, or realization. It is important to look into the essence of things and see that indeed there are many paths to the same goal. The path isn't important, not so much as is the direction of the path.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Lux]
    #4020560 - 04/06/05 08:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's true. I remember talking to some kid that I had pinned as a total..hmm..redneck? And didn't feel like talking to, but damn did he surprise me. Kid was deep, and I learned a lot from him.

But yeah I'm defenitely able to self-criticize. I know you said if I said that I probably can't, but I really can. I never cling to any ideas ever because I just pick them apart. Maybe it's almost a flaw at this point.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4021063 - 04/06/05 12:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good post. Very good point. It's for sure part of the condition of most personality structure to become invested in belief. And as you said, for long periods of time examination of the belief goes undone.
Usually it takes a shock of some kind to get one examining ones beliefs again. That may be one of the reasons we evolve so slowly. :mushroom2:


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Icelander]
    #4021072 - 04/06/05 12:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And it may be one of the reasons that psychedelics are beneficial to many people. They provide the shock :mushroom2:


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4021134 - 04/06/05 12:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: :laugh:


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4021422 - 04/06/05 01:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You are correct. The most important quality is the ability to change the status quo for the better. Any fool can criticise.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4022047 - 04/06/05 05:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I prefer to just let the status quo maintain itself for the general populous. I'd much rather exploit the status quo for my own personal gains.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4022426 - 04/06/05 06:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Critical thinking and skepticism have been around for thousands of years



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Skepticism is based on fear of the "unknown", or the "unrealized", and can only hinder and "box in" personal or spiritual growth.... 
If you so choose to due so....  :wink:


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: jux]
    #4022746 - 04/06/05 08:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have been guilty of that in my life...


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4024328 - 04/07/05 02:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Skepticism is based on fear of the "unknown", or the "unrealized", and can only hinder and "box in" personal or spiritual growth....

Bull. Skepticism is the very thing that has accelerated science and technology over the past centuries.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4024662 - 04/07/05 03:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
Skepticism is based on fear of the "unknown", or the "unrealized", and can only hinder and "box in" personal or spiritual growth....
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Bull. Skepticism is the very thing that has accelerated science and technology over the past centuries.



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I didn't say ANYTHING about "science" OR "technology" growth....  :wink:    :heart:


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4024943 - 04/07/05 05:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why can't skepticism be coupled with emotional growth, though? Is it necessarily to twist truth and reality to achieve happiness or inner peace?


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4025835 - 04/07/05 01:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Skepticism helped me with my emotional growth a great deal. It helped me to realize that I am responsible for my own well-being, and that blaming my problems on forces beyond my control will not get me anywhere in life.


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Re: The ability to question the status quo is not THAT special. [Re: Phluck]
    #4025848 - 04/07/05 01:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"it's the ability to question OUR OWN ideas that people are missing"

WOW! I couldn't have said it better! I think I lost sight of this fact recently, but try to stay objective by always admiting that I could be wrong, and that all viewpoints are relative, including mine... But then again everyone says that.

I try to keep myself ready to let go of all of my assumptions. But I think that is nearly impossible to do when in a human body/mind.

I kinda miss the S&P forums! If anyone has noticed, I used to spend all my time here and never went in any other forum on the site. Then I started growing my shrooms and stopped comming here, instead I spend all my time in Cultivation.

I still like to come back here and check up on all s&p buddies (you ARE my buddies whether you know it or not) and see how far into nowhere all the philosophizing has gotten us...


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